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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yes, but it still adds up to complicity.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yes, but it still adds up to complicity.
I'm not the one in denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yes, I know. Other conservatives here avoid the topic like the plague, except to point to the Dems. when they do it. I think that can be classed as an aversion to reality.
Not sure who the other conservatives are . I repeatedly point out that the beltway Repubics are no different than the Dems regarding cronyism.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Just like to bring this topic up now and again just in case someone comes up with a constructive idea.
Term limits across the board . Although I don't favor campaign donation restrictions ,I am in favor of complete transparency . We should not have learned on the day before the vote that a bundler for the emperor had financed the race of the pseudo- libertarian trojan horse candidate in the VA Guv race .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
It's come to this... the media, pro-abortion hero starting her campaign for governor of Texas has declared she's really pro-life.
Abortion Activist Wendy Davis Tells Texas Voters, “I Am Pro-Life”
Good luck with that in Texas Wendy, we aren't that stupid.
Oh yeah?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Oh SNAP, you thought it was just mean old Republicans taking food from hungry children.Quote:
Obama using food-stamp cash to fund Michelle’s ‘Let’s Move’
As you dig into your Butterball with all the trimmings this Thanksgiving, remember that millions of famished schoolkids around America may be forced to forgo classic turkey — and chow down instead on vegan black-bean patties and organic locavore quinoa salad.
On Nov. 1, sizable cuts were gouged into the federal food-stamp program (or, as it’s now called, SNAP, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), which feeds 47.6 million people, or nearly one in six Americans. In the city, 1.9 million folks get the bulk of their Jell-O and Campbell’s Soup from stamps.
But news has spread among the poor, like leafy green vegetables, that it wasn’t heartless Republicans who triggered the cuts.
Rather, some of the food-stamp cash was snatched to pay for Michelle Obama’s pet project, Let’s Move. What?
It’s come to this. Some 76 million meals a year will vanish from this city — poof! — partly because the president diverted money from SNAP to the first lady’s signature program, part of her Let’s Move anti-obesity initiative — the bean-sprout-heavy, $4.5 billion Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act.
The rest of the $5 billion annual food-stamp cuts was taken when 2009 stimulus funds dried up. But with ObamaCare woes stealing the oxygen in Washington, there’s little urgency to replace dandelion greens served on recyclable trays with family-friendly buttered mashed potatoes.
Right now, the country’s poorest families of four are seeing food-stamp allotments cut from $668 a month to $632. It may not sound like much, but understand that $36 is enough to buy a truckload of Kool-Aid and ramen noodles. (Lose the noodles if the Food and Drug Administration succeeds in banning trans fats.)
How did this happen?
Hunger activists are livid. In fact, the cuts will bring on no less than civil unrest, according to the head of the Food Bank for New York City.
“If you look across the world, riots always begin typically the same way: when people can’t afford to eat food,” Margarette Purvis, Food Bank president and CEO, told Salon.com.
“We were told, you know, by the president . . . these cuts will not happen,” she said.
More inaccurate winger stuff. And you mean nasty wingers ARE taking food out of kids mouths and giving the money to rich fat farmers in the house, like Bachmann, and Fincher.
The school nutrition program is on line and a part of SNAP, and REPUBLICAN are defunding Meals On Wheels too.
http://www.pressherald.com/news/meal...013-03-31.html
So taking lunch from kids to fund Michelle's pet project is OK, got it. How the hell they going to move if they have nothing to eat?
So when you eleceted BO you bought the package or is that the baggage, anyway you get it allQuote:
So taking lunch from kids to fund Michelle's pet project is OK, got it. How the hell they gonna move if they have nothing to eat?
Oh, we got it all right, but the point is if a Republican cuts food stamps he's a mean old b@stard for taking food from children. When a Democrat does it Republicans are still mean old b@stards for taking food from children.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Democrats take food from all of us, they think we're selfish for not wanting to be forced to fork over an extra couple hundred bucks a month on insurance instead of buying groceries or paying the heating bill.
Hello again, Steve:
Lemme see..Quote:
for not wanting to be forced to fork over an extra couple hundred bucks a month on insurance instead of buying groceries or paying the heating bill.
Right now you ARE paying for the health care of the uninsured. You KNOW that, right? It's the MOST expensive form of health care too. It's costing you MORE than a couple hundred bucks a month.
Surly, you see the benefit to your very OWN wallet by insuring those people.. Can't you? Ok, maybe you can't see that.. Oh, well.
excon
Healthy Schools Campaign: Child Nutrition Act
The original program started in 1966 by LBJ.
Child Nutrition Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act
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Improving child nutrition is the focal point of the Healthy, Hunger-Free
Kids Act of 2010. The legislation authorizes funding and sets policy for
USDA's core child nutrition programs: the National School Lunch Program,
the School Breakfast Program, the Special Supplemental Nutrition
Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), the Summer Food
Service Program, and the Child and Adult Care Food Program. The
Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act allows USDA, for the first time in over
30 years, opportunity to make real reforms to the school lunch and
breakfast programs by improving the critical nutrition and hunger safety
net for millions of children.
Surely you can see I'm not stupid, you can't take several hundred bucks PER MONTH from people's wallets and seriously tell us it's saving us money.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
First off, kids aren't eating Michelle's wonderful healthy meals and secondly, unlike you hunger activists are pi$$ed about the emperor using these funds for Michelle's project. We all want people to eat, but my private dollars go a whole lot farther in feeding the hungry than your bloated, wasteful bureaucracies will ever accomplish.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
Yeah, it's a hard concept to grasp. Here's an exercise for you. Go over to your nearest ER. Count the people waiting. The average visit to an ER costs around $2,000. A visit to a family doctor costs about $100. That's about $1,900 MORE than we have to pay for the SAME services. Multiply that by every ER in your state, and then multiply that by 50. Then multiply that by 24 hours in the day.Quote:
you can't take several hundred bucks PER MONTH from people's wallets and seriously tell us it's saving us money.
I'd say that would be many millions of $$'s, wouldn't you??
excon
Ex they will never see that sort of logic, you know why? somehow it infringes on their prescious freedoms. The freedom to be sick without help, The freedom to be part of the next epidemic and be infected by the untreated, the freedom to waste resources and above all the freedom to squirrel away their moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
How many people are you feeding every day?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
At least nine, and you? And that does not count my tax dollars being used for such purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The average charge might be that, but it isn't the cost and the vast majority of those have insurance I bet. It isn't filled with homeless people. The uninsured are what percentage in this country? How many of those are young, healthy adults? How many rarely visit a doctor?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
Couple things.Quote:
and the vast majority of those have insurance I bet.
I only went once, and I'll NEVER, EVER do that again, unless I'm bleeding like a stuck pig.
Lemme ask you this.. IF you had insurance, and got sick, would you make an appointment with your doctor, or would you wander down to your local ER, where you'll WAIT for HOURS, and hours, and then even MORE hours - only to get a BILL in the $1,000's??? Certainly, NO insurance company in the world is gonna pay it. You HAVE to know that.
You also appear to believe that everybody WITH a home to live in, HAS insurance. That's just wrong.Quote:
The uninsured are what percentage in this country? How many of those are young, healthy adults? How many rarely visit a doctor?
It IS a good question, though.. I'll use ME as an example.. I've been rich, and I've been poor. When I was poor, I had NO insurance. Part of that time I WAS a young healthy buck. But, part of that time I was an older healthy fellow, who WORRIED about getting sick.
Now, I want you to understand this. When I was poor, I WORKED hard. I PAID my taxes. I HAD a home, and I FULLY supported myself. Yes, I could even eat out now and then... But, for an older healthy person, insurance on the open market was WAYYYYY too expensive.. The ONLY time I had insurance was when I was employed, or when I was rich. When I was SELF employed and NOT rich, which was MOST of the time, I was on my own.
I don't think I was alone, either. In fact, I think there are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people like me, except they NEVER got rich.
Of those people, what percentage DO I think are young and healthy?? Bout HALF. That leaves the other half very vulnerable, and when THEY get sick, they go to the ER, and you and I PAY for it.
excon
Nice story, but not reality. The questions were simple,
The uninsured are what percentage in this country?
How many of those are young, healthy adults?
How many rarely visit a doctor?
Hello again, Steve:
I dunno what's NOT reality about it. It certainly was MY reality, and I wasn't alone. Your reality is just as unreal as mine. It stems from an EMPLOYED person WITH insurance. But, I see my answer was too complicated for you. Ok.Quote:
Nice story, but not reality. The questions were simple,
(1) The uninsured are what percentage in this country?
(2) How many of those are young, healthy adults?
(3) How many rarely visit a doctor?
(1) 47%
(2) 51%
(3a) The 51% that are young and healthy rarely see a doctor.
(3b) The 49% that aren't, see a doctor REGULARLY or die very young.
excon
The point of young people getting health insurance is that those insured young people will then get those periodic exams they don't want to pay out of pocket for now as uninsureds. They will do the preventive dance (or at least have the coverage to do it) to guard their health and not end up with prostate cancer or breast cancer or some catastrophic illness that they have ignored symptoms of and that will cost us (i.e., Medicaid) tons of money when they show up uninsured at the ER.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't deal with statistics pulled out your a$$.
Percentage of Americans Lacking Health Coverage Falls Again
You are talking about the kids who are ten feet tall and bullet proof? You know, the ones who don't go to the doctor unless they are sick because they think that nothing can happen to them. Right?Quote:
The point of young people getting health insurance is that those insured young people will then get those periodic exams they don't want to pay out of pocket for now as uninsureds. They will do the preventive dance (or at least have the coverage to do it) to guard their health and not end up with prostate cancer or breast cancer or some catastrophic illness that they have ignored symptoms of and that will cost us (i.e., Medicaid) tons of money when they show up uninsured at the ER.
Yup! Those are the ones! Lots of 'em. And even once they have insurance, they think they are bullet proof and don't get regular or even occasional checkups, but wait until they can't function any longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
So how many people do you feed every day?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
At least nine. Plus whoever my taxes support.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So, about 1,500 or more? (just a figure I pulled out of the air)Quote:
At least nine. Plus whoever my taxes support.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So how many does the government feed with the same dollars?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And where does the government get those dollars?Quote:
So how many does the government feed with the same dollars?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_9
Those young people will be old one day, and may not be as invincible as they once were. You think and see things much differently at 26 than you do at 56, or 86. That's just reality and us older folks know those changes will come, and younger people do NOT. The next generation may not/cannot/don't want to grasp what we tell them, but they will. We all do get reality as we go, at least most of us.
Insurance is not a priority for a young single because they are doing what most of us did at that age, exploring their world and having the best time they can with their friends. The hardest challenge we face is that our kids take responsibility for themselves in responsible ways and don't take dumb chances that will affect them adversely in the future.
Hard to see or explain that to a person whose priority right now is the next weekend party, concert, get together with friends, or the hunt for romance and good times. They just don't listen to the concept that having insurance and not needing it is better than needing it and not having it.
But some people lets face it don't believe in equal protection under the law, or equal benefit either. Now that's a very skewed value system in my opinion, and some end up better off than others. Too bad for the ones who are NOT better off. They are out of sight, out of mind unless it happens to be YOU.
Hello again, Steve:From YOUR link.Quote:
I don't deal with statistics pulled out your a$$.
It's equally hard to argue with a fellow who doesn't even read his own links.Quote:
The percentage of people covered by government health insurance increased to 32.6 percent in 2012, from 32.2 percent. The percentage covered by Medicaid in 2012 was not statistically different from 2011, at 16.4 percent. The percentage covered by Medicare rose over the period, from 15.2 percent in 2011 to 15.7 percent in 2012. Since 2009, Medicaid has covered more people than Medicare (50.9 million compared with 48.9 million in 2012).
I wasn't addressing the dirt poor, OR the elderly. I was addressing the WORKING poor. And, the numbers don't change the argument.
In MY story, I was never poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, or old enough to qualify for Medicare. Besides, the conversation was about the cost of ER visits, and I haven't changed my mind. People who are INSURED with either government insurance or private insurance DON'T visit ER's for their day to day health care needs.
Go to your ER, and ASK the people IF they're covered with insurance. I'm SURE they'll look at you like you're CRAZY.. NOBODY is their right mind would spend HOURS, and then MORE hours sitting in an ER waiting room, when they could visit their family doctor in 20 minutes. I have NO idea why you think they would.
excon
PS> I see J_9 is around.. She should KNOW who frequents her ER.
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People who are INSURED with either government insurance
I totally beg to differ. People with "government insurance" use the ER as a clinic. I can even pinpoint what days and times they use it. I would also like to point out that they have learned how to work the system so that they don't have to wait hours. They come in with complaints of chest pain, they come in with complaints of shortness of breath. They know that these complaints will get them seen within 10 minutes of arrival.Quote:
DON'T visit ER's for their day to day health care needs.
You don't experience the system, but I do.
If people want to be stupid then they can damn well live with the consequences. Fact is most of us have worked hard and made our own way and we're damned tired of all this faux sympathy and disincentives to take care of yourself. If you NEED help then let's help, but otherwise buck up people and take responsibility for your lives and end this massive expansion of government power. You lefties ought to be ashamed of what you're doing, leave us the hell alone.
Hello again, Steve:
Buck up Righty.. You're SCREWING people as bad as you think we're screwing you..Quote:
leave us the hell alone.
Sniveling doesn't help.
excon
Government or private, doesn't matter to my point. It doesn't take an extra couple hundred EXTRA bucks PER MONTH per policyholder to cover the percentage of uninsured. Do the math.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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