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No the fact they cheated to ram it through without a proper vote reflects the people that drew it up... those are the same type of people that were behind Adolf Hitler...Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I wouldn't want to be you guy explaining to a poor citizen why he get canceled and can't get his operation because he capped out of covered benefits, or why you get dropped because you had a pre exiting condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Or why your premium went up, but they dropped you anyway when you got sick. Tell me again why the old way was better.
The proof is in the reaction to it . The American people don't want it... union bosses who sent their shock troops to the streets to support it have now turned on it. Democrats think it's a train wreck, members of the agency charged with enforcing it have said it's hazardous to our health and both members of Congress and their staffers are getting an opt out . Perhaps they took your advice and read it. While testifying to Congress , Daniel Werfel, IRS boss , the agency charged with enforcing ObamaCare's mandates, said he would rather keep his current health insurance plan than make the switch .The National Treasury Employees Union(NTEU) sent a letter to congress begging out.
Even now many months after it was shoved up our keisters ,HHS is trying to get athletes and movie stars to promote it... you know... people with enough money to independently opt out.
But you are right about one thing .The old system had the taxpayer subsidizing 75% od members of Congress and their staffs plans . Now the freakazoids on Capitol Hill have the coconuts to say that they should be exempt from the provisions of the law they forced on us. Now the emperor ,in an effort to delay the inevitable train wreck is delaying the employer mandate and not the individual even though his action violates that very law . Now the WH is allowing the subsidization of individuals onto exchanges without income verification.
All you've done is taken steps to destroy a good system that at best needed some tweeking ,and replaced it with an economy destroying cr@p sandwich. Typical of utopian progressives who live in a fantasy world not having a clue how the real world works.
You complain but how is it the president can enact legislation by executive order? Why don't you do away with that anachristic legislature and let him run the country? You have parallel systems and it seems neither work, chalk that one up to the founders in their infinate wisdom
Article 5 convention could solve many of our problems... but no... what you are seeing is abuse of powers... not a flaw in the construct.
You think my thinking is twisted, but if you think your president will voluntarily give up his powers it is your thinking that is twisted. Only the ballot box can force him and maybe not even then
The election was last year Clete, and they failed.
We still won the House in spite of the IRS and FEC collusion and bullying, the compliant media, the lies about Benghazi and your mythical war on women meme.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:
To be clear, you got LESS votes than Democrats and only "won" because the districts were gerrymandered...Quote:
We still won the House in spite of the IRS and FEC collusion and bullying, the compliant media, the lies about Benghazi and your mythical war on women meme.
The truth is, right wing policies were rejected ACROSS the board.
Excon
So America voted for Obamacare and unlimited government spending.
Hello again, Steve:
I don't remember that as a campaign promise.. What I DO remember is right wing policies were REJECTED ACROSS THE BOARD.Quote:
unlimited government spending
Excon
Unlimited is the right wing spin, always has been though that's what they do when they have the power to govern, but be honest, Romney would have given him and his rich buddies even more money and the wingers would be holding the door open. That's what the last election was about, unlimited spending on rich guys and NOT Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Taxpayers saved the nation, and the banks but who saves the taxpayers. It sure ain't the job creators the right worships, or wall street for sure, so I guess we have to save ourselves because we want a raise.
Give it up or get back jack!! No more stealing and calling it capitalism.
Lol, you're so predictable. And yet again you have no problem with your side doing the same thing you're b!tching about now. Corzine misplaced billions of investor dollars and no one on your side is even curious about it. Billions of taxpayer dollars thrown down the sinkhole of all those green energy 'job creators' and nary a flinch from you. The Clintonistas are still doing shady business and y'all are trying to put them in office and head government agencies. Nothing to see here, look, something shiny!Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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P.S. As we speak unions are out demanding McDonald's increase wages by 100 percent. As if they'd survive paying entry level workers $15 an hour and changing their dollar menu to the $7.99 menu.
That hasn't been the case, they have higher wages at McDonald on the west coast but the same prices.
City and County of San Francisco : Minimum Wage Ordinance (MWO)
$10.55 is not $15 an hour and naturally you think we should all increase our cost of living to that of San Francisco, where $10.55 is like $7.00 in Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
They have done it here and report higher profits you forget the increase can be covered by hiring one less worker per shiftQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
When you sent those factory jobs overseas for cheap labor those former so called entry level jobs got taken by older people, the average age being upper twenties, not teen agers. So adults most with kids who are the working poor either have to earn more, or receive more federal assistance just to eat and pay rent.
Don't listen to smoothie talking welfare Cadillacs, and luxury shoes. Just imagine yourself with a kid and minimum wage. It ain't an easy living and as we transition from factory to service industry, some adjustments have to be made. I mean how many jobs should a guy or girl expect toned just to eat and buy diapers?
Even in Texas it's a hard pull, especially with part time hours.
you know Tal you're right I've observed those entry level jobs are being taken here by adults too, much bigger population of older workers in Mcdonalds and KFC but I know that Speech hasn't heard of productivity which is what you get when you start paying the true value for the workQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Fast food worker and even other minimum wage workers are increasingly striking and protesting here, so yeah they will eventually get a fair value for there time and effort if they stick to it. Reminds me of the good old days and how employer health insurance came about.
Yes we still need unions, more now than before.
When the Dems won the House and Senate in 2006 was it gerrymandering too ?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Always with the history, move on, this is the post GFC era lots of things have changed, some not so much
I think Tal and everyone else yammering about a living wage should hire all those 16 year olds for $15 an hour or more and set the example. Come on, you first.
Hey I agree give them a living wage and force the rich to give up something
16 year olds? How about those poor working moms, and dads or laid off workers from the places who lost their jobs to overseas cheap labor?
Be the example, Tal, be the example.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And what about that poor working mom that won't be able to afford a Happy Meal any more?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Well just maybe she will feed her babies something nutricious
Hello again, Steve:
I AM the example. I AM the example..Quote:
Be the example, Tal, be the example.
I have ALWAYS paid my employees MORE than the going rate... When waitress's were earning $1.25/hr plus tips, I paid MINE $2.50. That policy has continued to this very day.
Frankly, had I not done that, I wouldn't be the success I am today.. It was my EMPLOYEES who did it for me. I did nothing but hire the right people and paid them what they were worth. We ALL made money.
That's the way I do business. Always have. Always will.
Excon
Do you or would you pay a non skilled worker the same wage as a highly skilled worker?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Aren't you also bound by market forces that determine your pricing policy like everyone else?
Hey do you think you have to defend yourself ,of course you don't ,we know what these people are like, exploiters, crap merchants why argue with them
Typical wingers, worried about happy meals when the working poor need so much more. If McDonald's don't keep those happy meals affordable, then they won't sell them in the first place.
Like the pizza guy who was going to raise his pies by 7 cents because of Obama Care. Typical knee jerk right wing conservative illogic.
Lol, the typical left wing logic is you think you can force businesses to pay a certain wage without consequences. Everything you do, like Obamacare, go do without considering the negative impacts. You think abortion is just protecting choice with no regard for the life of the infant. There are costs to everything, you never consider them.
Hello again, dad:
(1) No, of course not. But, I paid him MORE than anybody else would.Quote:
Do you or would you pay a non skilled worker the same wage as a highly skilled worker?
Aren't you also bound by market forces that determine your pricing policy like everyone else?
(2) To a degree I was, of course.. But, because I had the BEST product in town, I NAMED my own price, and people paid it.
It's still true today... I am the most expensive consultant I know, and people pay it.
Excon
You shouldn't have to force business to do the right thing by its workers, and have you considered the negative impacts of being poor, and working two jobs?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What I ain't getting is why you are so self righteous about saving the unborn child, and then treat them like crap after they are born. Dead beat dad is my word for it, what's yours?
Being more specific, wingers rammed through this safety bill for abortion clinics while not expanding Medicaid in Texas. At least buy some happy meals for those poor kids.
Your right they shouldn't but in reality they do. That is why there are labor laws in this country. As far as negative impacts of being poor. Do you actually despise those that are poor so much that you think of them as helpless less then you persons? Why is it so hard to conceive that a person can rise above where they are but moving up the ladder on their own? To you these poor people are stuck where they are without your help. Reality speaks differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Why should they have changed anything about healthcare when its going to change anyway? Isn't Obamacare coming to fruition in 2014? And according to your beloved president Happy Meals are bad for you. How can you suggest such a thing?
Hello again,
It should be noted that I didn't pay my people lots of money because I cared about my fellow man. I paid them tons of dough because they MADE me tons of dough.
I don't know WHY, but it's an idea that we've lost. I travel across town to get the service I deserve. If I owned a McDonalds, I KNOW that my service would be SOOOOO good, people would drive across town to get it.
If Elliot were here, he'd KNOW what I'm talking about.
excon
PS> I miss that guy..
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Originally Posted by excon
Im not nor is anyone disputing your business formula. I think it is a good one myself and have pushed that style for years. BUT (yes big but) when it comes to McDonalds and other low skilled jobs you can only go so far before you push the product beyond affordability. If they all made $25 an hour. The rest of us couldn't afford to buy the product. Being the highest value is a good thing. But being the highest cost is not. There is a difference.
Most low wage jobs are considered stepping stones. What we lack now that we used to have is schooling that includes training for a workforce. Not everyone can aford nor wants to go to college. But we do need skilled workers for the future.
Ex we know what you are talking about, now back to the real world
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