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  • Apr 1, 2013, 02:57 PM
    speechlesstx
    By the way, did you know Obamacare could encourage you to ship jobs overseas?

    Quote:

    A company that employs U.S. citizens working abroad generally would be subject to the Employer Shared Responsibility provisions only if the company had at least 50 full-time employees (or the equivalent combination of full-time and part-time employees), determined by taking into account only work performed in the United States. Accordingly, employees working only abroad, whether U.S. citizens, generally will not be taken into account for purposes of determining whether an employer meets the 50 full-time employee (or equivalents) threshold. Furthermore, for employees working abroad the time spent working for the employer outside of the U.S. would not be taken into account for purposes of determining whether the employer owes an Employer Shared Responsibility payment or the amount of any such payment.
  • Apr 1, 2013, 03:21 PM
    talaniman
    Dude, they have been sending jobs overseas for DECADES. Why stop NOW? Where have you been?

    Before you jump to another insurance company, investigate who the underwriters are.
  • Apr 1, 2013, 03:27 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    By the way, did you know Obamacare could encourage you to ship jobs overseas?

    An interesting question, and yes there is an incentive to employ people on the otherside of the border and not incur the cost but this is just an added incentive. All government regulation gives incentive for business to move that is why they have
  • Apr 1, 2013, 04:25 PM
    talaniman
    They go where they get cheap labor and weak governments so they can visit the Cayman Islands and Luxemborg to visit their money. The Russians aren't as sophisticated.
  • Apr 1, 2013, 06:25 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    They go where they get cheap labor and weak governments so they can visit the Cayman Islands and Luxemborg to visit their money. The Russians aren't as sophisticated.

    No they enjoy the mediterranian and it costs them but then there are other considerations
  • Apr 5, 2013, 07:38 AM
    tomder55
    Now a Federal Judge in Brooklyn has ordered the FDA to allow abortion pills to anyone at any age OTC . Geeeze ;why do we need to elect lawmakers ? Just let the unelected branch make all the rules for us !
  • Apr 5, 2013, 07:48 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Quote:

    Just let the unelected branch make all the rules for us !
    There are some decisions that simply can't be left in the hands of the electorate. If we put the Bill of Rights up for a vote today, it would fail. Somebody needs to stand up for the Constitution...

    Look. I don't like all the decisions the judiciary makes, but at least they have the Constitution as a guide instead of rigid political ideologies.

    Excon
  • Apr 5, 2013, 08:03 AM
    tomder55
    Judges are there to determine if a law is constitutional . Show me the constitutional requirement that young girls have a "right" to get abortion type drugs ,OTC, without prescription .Even Sebillius is being over ruled on this call .
    Life saving drugs require a prescription; life ending drugs don't... progessivism in a nutshell.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 08:28 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    I'm not here to argue the case. I know nothing about it. I'm here to tell you the courts have a ROLE in our society.

    Let me ask you this. If the Bill of Rights were UP for a vote, WOULD you vote to confirm them ALL? I would. I absolutely WOULD. If you tell the truth, I cannot imagine any right winger supporting a criminals right to have a lawyer at states expense, or his right to due process of law, or his right against cruel and unusual punishment, or his right NOT to be searched, or any number of rights that favor the accused over the government...

    Come on. You can tell me. What right winger could, in good conscience approve of THAT bunch of liberal hogwash?

    excon
  • Apr 5, 2013, 08:46 AM
    talaniman
    You wingers make everything you don't like or understand a constitutional issue. Then you tell woman, minorities, and anyone different than you about the rights you think they should have and not have.

    Can't you righties just mind your own business for a few decades or so and live and let live?
  • Apr 5, 2013, 08:57 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:

    There are some decisions that simply can't be left in the hands of the electorate. If we put the Bill of Rights up for a vote today, it would fail. Somebody needs to stand up for the Constitution...

    Look. I don't like all the decisions the judiciary makes, but at least they have the Constitution as a guide instead of rigid political ideologies.

    excon

    Um, you whine about guns and defend giving murder-death-kill pills over-the-counter? Dude! Any pill designed to end life should not be available OTC, that's just warped as hell.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 09:10 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Dude! Any pill designed to end life should not be available OTC, that's just warped as hell.
    Blah, blah, blah, I'm sick of hearing you guys talk about choices, you only defend the choice you agree with.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 09:20 AM
    talaniman
    So now life begins the next day?
  • Apr 5, 2013, 09:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    Dude, you need help NK.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 09:28 AM
    NeedKarma
    As you know I used your exact words that you used a few minutes before my post. Kind of opens your eyes eh?

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3435847
  • Apr 5, 2013, 09:28 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So now life begins the next day?

    No, at conception. So you're telling me this should be available OTC, and yet I have to practically give a kidney to buy Sudafed OTC

    Quote:

    mifepristone - oral, Mifeprex (cont.)

    SIDE EFFECTS: See also Warning section.Nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, weakness, or dizziness may occur. If these effects persist longer than the first 24 hours after taking the second drug (misoprostol), seek immediate medical attention because they can be signs of a serious medical problem.Bleeding and cramping are expected during this treatment. Usually, the symptoms mean the drugs are working. However, sometimes you can have cramps and bleeding and still be pregnant. Therefore, you must return for all 3 of your doctor visits. Nausea and cramping may worsen in the 24 hours after you take the second drug (misoprostol). Your doctor may direct you to take other medication to help with these symptoms. If any of these effects persist or worsen, tell your doctor or pharmacist promptly.Bleeding and spotting may last up to 30 days and may be much heavier than a normal period. In very few cases, this bleeding will need to be stopped by surgery. Seek immediate medical attention if you bleed enough to soak through 2 thick, full-size sanitary pads each hour for 2 hours in a row, or if you are concerned about heavy bleeding.Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.Seek immediate medical attention if you have any of these unlikely but very serious side effects: fever of 100.4 degrees F (38 degrees C) or higher, fainting, fast heartbeat, stomach/abdominal pain or tenderness.A very serious allergic reaction to this drug is rare. However, seek immediate medical attention if you notice any symptoms of a serious allergic reaction, including: rash, itching/swelling (especially of the face/tongue/throat), severe dizziness, trouble breathing.This is not a complete list of possible side effects. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.In the US -Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may report side effects to FDA at 1-800-FDA-1088.In Canada - Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may report side effects to Health Canada at 1-866-234-2345.
    Sounds like a potential clothes hanger in a pill to me. Who needs a doc's care for that?
  • Apr 5, 2013, 09:29 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    As you know I used your exact words that you used a few minutes before my post. Kind of opens your eyes eh?

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3435847

    No, your pathological behavior should open some eyes. Your stalking of me is really creepy.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 09:43 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Hello again, tom:

    I'm not here to argue the case. I know nothing about it. I'm here to tell you the courts have a ROLE in our society.
    I'd first like to discuss the case. Here is the facts (condensed version) the FDA said it was OK for the abortion pill to be OTC and then the Head of the Executive Dept that the FDA answers to said no . That was the decision of Sebellius and be extension the decision of the Chief Executive of the United States.
    So now you have some putz judge in District Court in Brooklyn saying that is an unconstitutional decision?. and then he orders the FDA to make the pill available OTC ? I want to know what is the basis for this call ;and where in the constitution it says a judge can make law from the bench ?
  • Apr 5, 2013, 09:47 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Your stalking of me is really creepy.
    You flatter yourself. :D
  • Apr 5, 2013, 09:48 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You wingers make everything you don't like or understand a constitutional issue. Then you tell woman, minorities, and anyone different than you about the rights you think they should have and not have.

    Can't you righties just mind your own business for a few decades or so and live and let live?

    BS it was YOUR LIBERAL government that made the call (OMG they actually got one right )... then one of YOUR imperial judges who over-ruled a proper executive decision.
    Yes I know that your side thinks the constitution is toilet paper to be used and discarded as needed . WE think it's an important restraint on the power of the government .
  • Apr 5, 2013, 10:13 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    I know that your side thinks the constitution is toilet paper to be used and discarded as needed
    You truly believe that 125 million americans view your constitution this way?
  • Apr 5, 2013, 10:22 AM
    speechlesstx
    So when some creepo has sex with a 12-year-old girl he can now just go pick up a pill to try and destroy the evidence. Great logic in that decision judge.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 10:49 AM
    NeedKarma
    You'd rather she get pregnant and carry the child to term?
  • Apr 5, 2013, 10:59 AM
    speechlesstx
    Wow, you really have no clue do you?
  • Apr 5, 2013, 11:20 AM
    NeedKarma
    It's your hypothetical, follow it through.

    To answer your question I have lots of clues, do you? Ask Blue for a clue if you need one too.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 11:50 AM
    speechlesstx
    Like I said, creepy.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 11:53 AM
    NeedKarma
    Constantly thinking about 12 year old girls having sex is creepy indeed.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 02:13 PM
    talaniman
    Do you really think carrying a child to term for the evidence value in a rape case is a wise move? I think its crazy myelf, and know there are other options not as draconian. And what happens to the evidence AFTER the trial? I don't think the constitution is toilet paper, I just question your interpretation.

    Life begins when you are born since conception with the best science is subject to human error. The laws says abortion is legal in the first trimester. Anything else is outside the law and subject to tort.

    The church is not the law. Nor is it above the law, tax breaks or NOT.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 02:17 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Constantly thinking about 12 year old girls having sex is creepy indeed.

    Geez dude, you can get help for that. I'm sure your government will even pay for it.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 02:19 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Do you really think carrying a child to term for the evidence value in a rape case is a wise move? I think its crazy myelf, and know there are other options not as draconian. And what happens to the evidence AFTER the trial? I don't think the constitution is toilet paper, I just question your interpretation.

    Really Tal, you think sexual predators should have otc access to the morning after pill?
  • Apr 5, 2013, 02:23 PM
    talaniman
    Predators have no need but victims do.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 02:40 PM
    speechlesstx
    Smh.
  • Apr 5, 2013, 03:23 PM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I'd first like to discuss the case. Here is the facts (condensed version) the FDA said it was ok for the abortion pill to be OTC and then the Head of the Executive Dept that the FDA answers to said no . That was the decision of Sebellius and be extension the decision of the Chief Executive of the United States.

    Yes, but there is a lot of money to be made by the drug companies if OTC sales are as extensive as possible.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post

    So now you have some putz judge in District Court in Brooklyn saying that is an unconstitutional decision ? ...and then he orders the FDA to make the pill available OTC ? I want to know what is the basis for this call ;and where in the constitution it says a judge can make law from the bench ?


    This is what happens in complex systems. I think it is called unintended consequences.
  • Apr 6, 2013, 08:48 AM
    talaniman
    Its not an insurmountable obstacle.(?)
  • Apr 6, 2013, 02:47 PM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Its not an insurmountable obstacle.(?)


    Tal, have you got a different question?

    I think part of the problem is that we have a genuine attempt at providing a non-political solution to the problem of government. Problems begin to arise when we attempt squeeze more and more highly charged political/ legal decisions from something that was never intended to function in this capacity.
  • Apr 6, 2013, 03:16 PM
    talaniman
    Problems may be difficult and highly charged with passionate feelings, but that doesn't mean there is no solution. I mean how long did it take Roe v Wade, civil rights, the end of slavery, and the first gun ban? Nothing happens over night, you have to keep pushing for what you want.

    So you don't think the right adjustments can be made? I do, but that's why the question mark in (). You have to want to solve the problem and that's something I am not sure of. When two sides cannot compromise, then nothing gets done. That doesn't mean the problem won't get solved.
  • Apr 9, 2013, 04:45 AM
    tomder55
    What isn't an insurmountable problem ? A judge saying barely teen girls can get abortion pills OTC without parental consent creates an insurmountable problem. It's what that MSNBC moonbat was saying... parents don't "own" their kids . Our kids are nothing more than wards of the state. That same child is not permitted to take an aspirin or ibuprofen in school without teacher or nurse supervision... But she can pop an abortifacient like it's candy .
  • Apr 9, 2013, 07:43 PM
    paraclete
    Yes Tom it's a mad world and you know where this stems from, this nonsense about rights. It is good that people have rights and they know about it, but teaching youth about rights has produced a society where they are responsible to no one. The emphasis should be on teaching them responsibilities, not rights. Telling someone who hasn't reached their developmental potential they have rights is setting a ticking time bomb
  • Apr 19, 2013, 07:00 AM
    speechlesstx
    As tom noted one of the primary authors of Obamacare, Max Baucus, warned of the possibility (likelihood IMHO) of a “huge train wreck coming down” in ts implementation. Republican Sen. Mike Pompeo had some words for Baucus, it's your own fault, dude.

    Quote:

    Dear Senator Baucus,

    I was stunned, and also saddened, to read of your complaint that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is doing an insufficient job informing the public about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), otherwise known as Obamacare. My shock wasn’t because I disagreed: You’re right to say this legislation has led to great uncertainty for hard-working Americans, small business owners, and families. No, I was shocked because you wrote this bill. I was saddened because your acknowledgement of the harm caused by PPACA has come so late.

    Unlike you, the American people have opposed this law from the moment it was first introduced in Congress. How hard was it to see that even the smartest government bureaucrats can’t competently plan something as complicated as America’s health-care sector?

    President Obama’s proposal to rescind the Medicaid disproportionate share hospital payments for 2014 is an admission that this law will not work as written. The IRS is violating the clear language of this law by planning to spend more than half a trillion dollars and tax millions of employers and individuals without congressional authorization.

    No one in the country bears more responsibility for the complexity of this law than you. When your supermajority couldn’t pass the bill using normal procedures, you and your Senate colleagues rammed through the final legislation by using parliamentary gimmickry. Then, in the House, Speaker Pelosi cheerfully urged members to pass the legislation “in order to find out what’s in it.”

    This was not good policy-making, and now we’re seeing the consequences.


    Implementation is still going full steam ahead despite numerous problems—with your support. Contrary to the legislation and the administration’s myriad promises, the SHOP exchanges have been delayed by a year. Officials have admitted that they’ve gone from worrying over the color of fonts on a website to just making sure that the exchanges aren’t a “third world experience.” Little to no information has been provided about how the exchanges will function.

    Each one of these problems results from legislation you authored and your colleagues supported. And yet many Republicans, at every step of the process, issued warnings and condemnations based on exactly these inevitable problems. We warned that businesses would drop coverage. We warned that Americans would not be able to keep a doctor or plan that they liked. We warned that insurance premiums would increase.

    Secretary Sebelius’s implementation of the law is certainly flawed, but the policy process produced a law that could not possibly be implemented successfully. As legislators, it is our responsibility to write bills that clearly explain our meaning and have achievable goals. By your own admission, this law is a disaster.

    Make no mistake. Unless you act before it’s too late, the American people are going to hold you personally responsible for the failings of this law that negatively impact their jobs, their health, and their families. You drafted it, you twisted arms to get it passed, and, until now, you have lauded it as a model for all the world. Your attempts to pass the buck to President Obama’s team will not work, nor will they absolve you of responsibility for the harm that you have brought via this law.

    Republicans have repeatedly offered legislation to repeal PPACA and replace it with more sustainable reforms that would have bipartisan support. Perhaps we can work together to fix this mess before it’s too late. We stand ready to repeal the law and put forward legislation that will truly benefit patients and their doctors.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Sincerely,

    Mike Pompeo
    Member of Congress
    Kansas 4th District
    Legislate in haste, repent at leisure...
  • Apr 19, 2013, 07:18 AM
    tomder55
    http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...agon/DOHHH.jpg
    Senator Max Baucus

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