excon and tal will argue they never said that... just wait... its coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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excon and tal will argue they never said that... just wait... its coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I have no clue who said what you said, no names where mentioned but the article does substantiate the fact that no one was close enough to help. Had he been in Tripoli, we wouldn't be here would we?
All those geniuses couldn't take cover for the one day of the year that stuff get hairy, and did all over the place?
Oh I get it . It's Stevens fault he got killed .
He's been implying that all week.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
If I were his boss and given the lack of security and Steven's propensity to ditch his security entourage I would have ordered him to Tripoli and had the marines sit on him for a week. That's my outrage over the matter.
Maybe they thought 30 CIA, and a few local types were enough, I do NOT! Nor do I think he would have been safe in Benghazi after 9/11, today, or any other day.
Oh we know Benghazi was not safe enough for a State Dept outpost . What does that tell you about what was really going on there ?
Since you're the one that keeps wanting to know why Stevens was there, amongst the other speculations we know this much from Hicks testimony...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
There you have it, Stevens was there because Hillary needed his report before the end of the fiscal year for her little project, which according to hearsay from some other potential whistleblowers was cleaning up her mess from wanting to “overthrow Gaddafi on the cheap.”Quote:
Benghazi witness points finger at Clinton on lapses in consulate security
The star witness in the Benghazi investigation said former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton personally ordered Ambassador Chris Stevens to set up a permanent post in the restive city and should have known about deteriorating security.
The revelations from the second-ranking U.S. diplomat in Libya at the time come as the audit that cleared the former secretary of State of any wrongdoing has come under fire for not interviewing Clinton or her top lieutenants.
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Gregory Hicks, who briefly took over as head of mission when Stevens and three other Americans were killed, testified on May 8 that Clinton personally ordered the ambassador to turn Benghazi into a full consular post, and that she planned to announce the upgrade during a visit in December.
Hicks’s attorney has been drawing attention to that section of his testimony, which was overshadowed by revelations that no one at the U.S. embassy in Libya believed the terrorist attack was preceded by a peaceful protest, and that the Pentagon told a special operations team to stand down.
“According to Stevens, Secretary Clinton wanted Benghazi converted into a permanent constituent post,” Hicks testified.
“Timing for this decision [to visit the region on Sept. 11] was important. Chris needed to report before Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year, on the … political and security environment in Benghazi.”
He said Pickering appeared “surprised.”
“I did tell the Accountability Review Board that Secretary Clinton wanted the post made permanent,” Hicks testified.
“Ambassador Pickering looked surprised. He looked both ways … to the members of the board, saying, ‘Does the seventh floor [the secretary of State’s office] know about this?’ ”
The ARB appears to have ignored Hicks’s statement in its public report. Instead, the board appeared to place responsibility on Stevens.
Read more: Benghazi witness points finger at Clinton on lapses in consulate security - The Hill's Global Affairs
Not looking pretty for Hillary right now...
Beat me to it . I was going to post Hicks testimony today. But Evita's desire for a permanent Benghazi consulate only partly explains why he was there . There is still that meeting with the Turkish diplomat an hour before the attack.
Hello again, Steve:
I wonder if the realization that Hillary is going to run for president has anything to do with your SWITCHEROO from demonizing Obama to demonizing Clinton...Quote:
Not looking pretty for Hillary right now...
Nahhhh... Republicans would NEVER do that..
Excon
It would've been the crowning achievement of her otherwise miserable term as Sec State. Me ? I never miss a chance to take on Evita and her record.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Dude, you never take advantage of opportunities? Yeah, you do, the difference between us is I don't make sh*t up, I follow the facts where they take me and right now they're not looking good for Hillary are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I am sure your facts will fit your spin regardless. Mine do! :)
Ex they weren't loking good for Hillary right from the start, this is surely why she retired from the position, didn't want it to ruin her chances laterQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, clete:
In right wing fantasy land, that's true.. But, there's not a Democrat who can touch her, and Republicans will NEVER win a national election again, unless they fix what's wrong.Quote:
Ex they weren't loking good for Hillary right from the start
And, they're NOT fixing it. They're making it worse... Bwa, ha ha ha.
Excon
As if dems have fixed anything? Bwa ha ha!
Hello again, Steve:
Uhh, whatdawe need to fix? The American people voted FOR the Democrats by a LOT. Where were you?Quote:
As if dems have fixed anything
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Excon
It ain't broke?
Hello again, Steve:
Couple things.Quote:
It ain't broke?
That government workers screw up ISN'T a Democrat problem. It's not even an Obama problem unless and until it's PROVEN that he ordered the IRS to target his enemy's..
Now you guys THINK it's true, but you're the only ones...
That four men were killed in an attack ISN'T a Democrat problem, and it's not even an Obama problem. It's NEVER going to be an Obama or Clinton problem..
Now, you guys THINK it is, but you're the only ones who do.
That the Government is targeting whistleblowers at the AP, is something somebody who thinks Julian Assange is a scumbag would LOVE. You're one of those, aren't you?
That you don't is kind of funny, doncha think? You HATE Obama, but you HATE whistleblowers... Poor right winger.. You can't decide WHICH side to hate more.
Bwa, ha ha ha.
The progressive ideas that garnered MORE votes than your side did are alive and well. Now, you guys THINK they're not, but you're the only ones.
Excon
Ex I agree there is a great big show going on in Washington and all it needs to make it a three ring circus is the tent, however if you are pinning your hopes on Hilary, I suspect that she has acquired some unfortunate baggage, she would have done far better to have been vice president if she holds aspirations, less opportunity to have shlt stickQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
Ex, if nothing else your fairy tales are entertaining
Lois Lerner will plea the 5th today... which is a more honest response than the outright lies of Steven Miller and Douglas Shulman . She will resemble one of Jimmy Hoffa's criminal associates while questioned by Bobby Kennedy . Except she is allegedly not a member of a criminal organization .Quote:
Couple things.
That government workers screw up ISN'T a Democrat problem. It's not even an Obama problem unless and until it's PROVEN that he ordered the IRS to target his enemy's..
Now you guys THINK it's true, but you're the only ones...
That four men were killed in an attack ISN'T a Democrat problem, and it's not even an Obama problem. It's NEVER going to be an Obama or Clinton problem..
Now, you guys THINK it is, but you're the only ones who do.
That the Government is targeting whistleblowers at the AP, is something somebody who thinks Julian Assange is a scumbag would LOVE. You're one of those, aren't you?
That you don't is kind of funny, doncha think? You HATE Obama, but you HATE whistleblowers... Poor right winger.. You can't decide WHICH side to hate more.
Bwa, ha ha ha.
The progressive ideas that garnered MORE votes than your side did are alive and well. Now, you guys THINK they're not, but you're the only ones.
Excon
You will recall that we did not know how high up the food chain the Watergate scandal went with the 1st revelations.
Combined ,all these scandals makes one believe that we have an Executive Dept out of control .
Take for example the under reported scandal about the mafioso strong arm tactics being employed by HHS director Kathlene Sebilius to pay for ObamaCare propaganda to pressure people to enroll in the health exchanges.
Now combine them together because I have no doubt that the same uneven criteria will be employed for evaluating tax returns under the IRS role in Obamacare that the IRS used in evaluating applications for exemptions and what we have is an Executive branch that has no problem employing criminal tactics in its enforcement of the law . We know that shake down by Sebilius is coming from the cabinet level at the White House . Why shouldn't we believe that the IRS scandal did not come from the inner sanctum?
The spying on the news agencies goes beyond AP and James Rosen too. We now know that
Sharyl Attkisson, a CBS News investigative reporter who has been reporting extensively on Benghazi , says that her personal and work computers have been compromised . She hasn't gone into details except to say that it is similar to the Rosen situation.Jonathan Karl of ABC followed up the reporting of the Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes on the Benghazi emails,and has been the target of a relentless assault by the Obama apologists in the liberal blogsphere. They mock Mitch McConnell's assertion that the Emperor and his staff have instilled “a culture of intimidation” .But what other conclusion can one draw ? The only difference between the IRS of the Nixon era and the IRS today is that the IRS resisted Nixon's attempt to use it as a political tool.
A government that can't be trusted to handle the processing of tax exemption applications without using political criteria that conform with the president's political philosophy... that uses extortion to get it's way... that spies on journalists with impunity... cannot be trusted to rule over ,and manage our health care system ;and frankly cannot be trusted to govern .
Do you recall Atkisson telling Laura Ingraham how the White House treated her for digging on Benghazi?
And do you remember when during the push for Obamacare that Obama called for snitches in the run-up to Obamacare, setting up an "AttackWatch" website? How he set up his Truth Team during the election?Quote:
I’m certainly not the one to make the case for DOJ and White House about what I’m doing wrong. They will tell you that I’m the only reporter–as they told me–that is not reasonable. They say the Washington Post is reasonable, the LA Times is reasonable, the New York Times is reasonable, I’m the only one who thinks this is a story, and they think I’m unfair and biased by pursuing it.
Lots of dots getting connected these last two weeks, this administration is nothing but a bunch of thugs that will stop at nothing, no tactic too outrageous, no law or constitutional right too burdensome, no ethics whatsoever if you ask me and it comes from the top.
Hello again, tom:
If I were you, I'd think so too. After all, I still believe that Bush LIED.Quote:
if you ask me and it comes from the top.
I'm willing, however, to let the evidence lead us.
Excon
Hello again, Steve:
I've mentioned several times about your previous disdain for whistleblowers when national security was involved. Now that it's FOX and/or CNN, and/or AP instead of Wikkileaks, or some hapless soldier, what's the difference?Quote:
Do you recall Atkisson telling Laura Ingraham how the White House treated her for digging on Benghazi?
I'm willing to embrace your outrage as long as it's NOT selective outrage.
Excon
Are you willing to acknowledge there's a difference between a government employee trying to right a wrong and a hacker stealing information and setting himself up as a self-appointed watchdog? One's a whistleblower, the other a crook and enemy of the state.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
It works the other way too, it's all in the wording:
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there's a difference between a government employee setting himself up as a self-appointed watchdog and a website receiving information and trying to right a wrong? One's a whistleblower, the other a crook and enemy of the state.
You are mistaking whistle blowers with the press that reports what the whistle blowers give them. I wanted the weight of the government to come down hard on Bradley Manning as he was the leaker... Wikileaks I consider an annoyance,but they were NOT the leaker . I defended the rights of Judith Miller when she was unconstitutionally thrown into jail for not disclosing her source in the Plame investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
This thing against Rosen takes it a step further and coincides with the Emperor's very public war against FOX .They also knowingly lied in court to get access to his cell phone and private email . They made the absurd claim that he was part of a criminal conspiracy . That was ground breaking chutzpah that you should find chiiling .If they did that to one reporter ,and to a whole news organization then why should we believe it ended there ? Well now we know that a CBS award winning investigative journalist was also targeted .
Again... this is Hugo Chavez purge the press stuff . But still you defend it.
Hello again, tom:
No, I haven't. I don't know the story yet. All I've done is ask why YOU think this incursion into the press is different than ANY incursion into the press... You DECRY one, and support the other.Quote:
But still you defend it.
Personally, I'm a staunch defender of the free press.. In this digital age, the "press" IS, is no longer what the press WAS. What I want is information about my government, and if the conventional press doesn't give it to me, and the digital press does, then they're the PRESS.
I support ALL of them.. I want ALL the information I can get about my government... You folks, on the other hand, seem to put your head in the sand when information comes at you from places you don't like.
Excon
What incursion into the press did I defend ? Read above again. My going after Bradley Manning is not going after the press. I don't recall you complaining about Judith Miller going to jail for 85 days for protecting her source from Inspector Javert Fitzpatrick .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No, it doesn't, it's all in the FACTS. Don't you have some other forum to ruin?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
It absolutely works the other way. All you have to do is substitute the wikileaks with a conservative "think tank" or blog.
It's always personal with you isn't it.
Hello again, Steve:
No.Quote:
Are you willing to acknowledge there's a difference between a government employee trying to right a wrong and a hacker stealing information and setting himself up as a self-appointed watchdog? One's a whistleblower, the other a crook and enemy of the state.
They're two sides of the same coin. I care about the information, not the messenger.
Excon
Well geez, you can substitute a lot of things and come up with imitations, but it isn't the same thing. I was very specific, stick to the facts. Better yet, let ex answer the questions I ask specifically of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
No, you're just as about as welcome as a tick on one's genitals.Quote:
It's always personal with you isn't it.
What a class act. LOLQuote:
as welcome as a tick on one's genitals.
Anyway yes, I agree with ex, it's the information not the messenger which is what I was alluding to. A concept that is totally foreign to you.
Sorry, but I look at motive and circumstances. Assange is a self-righteous hacker digging for sh*t he has no right to and doesn't give a rat's a$$ how many innocent people he may harm in the process. He DESERVES prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Contrast that with say, the Fast and Furious whistleblower - a government agent with firsthand knowledge, who was trying tell the truth about the US government letting guns walk, which led to the murder of a Border Patrol agent and untold violence in Mexico. He deserves protection.
The Obama administration goes after BOTH.
One is honorable, one is not, and that does matter to me.
Hey, if the shoe fits I see no reason for me to pull punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Just as honor and integrity are foreign concepts to you.Quote:
Anyway yes, I agree with ex, it's the information not the messenger which is what I was alluding to. A concept that is totally foreign to you.
If nothing else your fairy tales are entertaining.
I'm OK with letting the facts speak for themselves. Now don't you have some other forum to troll or you just obsessed with me still?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
That's exactly what ex and I are saying. We all agree.Quote:
I'm OK with letting the facts speak for themselves.
Didn't somebody say they weren't worried about Barak Hussein Obama as much as they were worried about Barak Capone Obama several years ago? Welcome to Chicagoland, pay up and shut up.
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