It isn't me making the absurd claim that those who oppose abortions are responsible for the violence of a few kooks.
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It isn't me making the absurd claim that those who oppose abortions are responsible for the violence of a few kooks.
Not patronizing, I'm conceding a point so can move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Um, that was my point. Sex after withdrawal of consent is rape. I don't buy into any of that "she really wants it / she had it coming / she shouldn't have teased me" nonsense. If she says no at any point it means no.Quote:
So far in all the political discussions, it has not been mentioned about a woman going along with intimacy but then suddenly changing her mind and wanting out and saying no, but then her objections are not taken seriously ("she really wants it and is just being coy"), and she later claims she was raped.
The Obama campaign is milking this mythical war on women meme... using fake Republican women.
Yeah, some "Republican" woman. Once again the blogoshpere doing the job the media won't do.Quote:
Posted on August 25, 2012 by John Hinderaker in 2012 Presidential Election, Democrats
Republican Women For Obama? [UPDATED: Another Fake "Republican" Exposed]
It happens all the time in talk radio: a caller will say that he is a lifelong Republican, and will recall fondly how he voted for Ronald Reagan. Then he says that today’s Republicans have gone too far, and for the first time ever he is voting for a Democrat! These callers are nearly always lying. If you look them up, you likely will find that they are Democratic Party precinct chairmen.
The Obama campaign is trying to perpetrate the same deception. It has just released a video called Republican Women For Obama, which features four or five women who claim to be Republicans, or to have been Republicans until recently. But, of course, they are appalled by Mitt Romney–it is hard to say why, apart from a couple of discreet references to abortion, but did they really just now figure out that the Republican Party is pro-life? The ad is surprisingly ineffective, but it is also dishonest. At least one of the women who pose as “Republican women for Obama” is a long-time Democrat.
Her name is Maria Ciano, and BuzzFeed finds that she has been a registered Democrat in Colorado at least since 2006. Here she is in the Obama ad. She is easy to spot in the ad because she wears braces...
Her Facebook page is here; some of her friends congratulate her on appearing in the Obama ad. In addition to the fact that she is a registered Democrat, check out her Facebook “likes.” They make it obvious that Ms. Ciano is a devoted Democrat and a left-wing activist. Here are some of her “likes,” beginning with the earliest in time:
* Democracy For America
* Tar Sands Action
* Amy Goodman
* Barack Obama
* Costoftaxcuts.com
* Being Liberal
* MoveOn.org
* Bernie Sanders Tells You A Secret the GOP Would Rather You Didn’t Know
* Miss Piggy Delivers the Best Takedown of Fox News We’ve Seen All Month
* Think Progress
* The Best Quote From Barack Obama We’ve Seen This Week
* Dow and Monsanto Join Forces to Poison America’s Heartland
* Climate Reality
* Grist.org
* The Amazing Victory Scored With Obama That More People Should Be Talking About
* The Sierra Club
* The Buffett Rule
* Obama For America–Colorado
* UniteWomen.org
* Denver Young Democrats
* Obamacare
* Latinos For Obama
* Michelle Obama
* Veterans For Obama
* I Love It When I Wake Up In the Morning and Obama Is President
* Obama Truth Team
* Democratic Party
But the Obama campaign describes Ms. Ciano as a “Republican Woman!” Right. There are liars; there are compulsive liars; and then there is the Obama campaign. If someone took the trouble to track the down the other women in the ad, they would probably find something similar. If you do that, please record your findings in the comments.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
OMG! I'm shocked...
No, not at the fact that Obama is doing it.. At the fact that you're (1) surprised about it, (2) even outraged about it, and (3) you appear to believe that Romney isn't ALSO doing it as well...
Do you REALLY believe that you're the GOOD guys here- innocent of ALL wrongdoing?? I think you DO.. Dude!
excon
Surprised? No sir, this is SOP for Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Shocked? LOL, I have said for years Obama's number one priority was Obama staying in power - I don't believe there is level too low for him to go.
What does surprise me is you still play that silly game event though you know better.Quote:
Do you REALLY believe that you're the GOOD guys here- innocent of ALL wrongdoing?? I think you DO.. Dude!
Really though, I could see that PAC that blamed Romney for killing a lady doing this but one would think the Obama campaign itself wouldn't be so shoddy as to put such an obvious shill front and center. That was an amateurish maneuver. The campaign's incompetence lately should worry you.
You mean like Romneys lies about removing the job requirements from welfare? That lie wasn't from his superpac, he actually said it, NUMEROUS times.
Hello again,
Need more evidence that the right wing has NO CLUE about women? Here's a right winger who's running to be a US Senator, and thinks having a baby out of wedlock is the same as being impregnated by RAPE...What does Steve say? You can't make this stuff up..Quote:
Asked by a reporter how he would counsel a daughter or granddaughter who had been impregnated by rape, Smith said: "I lived something similar to that with my own family. She chose life, and I commend her for that. . . . Don't get me wrong; it wasn't rape."
Pressed as to what he was talking about, Smith responded: "Having a baby out of wedlock." After that, he seemed to struggle to articulate what he meant.
"That's similar to rape?" a reporter asked.
"No, no, no," said Smith, who was referring to a daughter's decision to have a child outside marriage. Then he added, "But, well, put yourself in a father's position. Yes, I mean, it is similar."
Excon
"But, well, put yourself in a father's position..."Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
You want some horny scumbag knocking up your teen daughter? I'm sure dad felt violated, just as I feel violated by the scumbag that gave my daughter HIV. Any more questions?
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Originally Posted by excon
Ha! Priceless! Texas just decided to quit providing funding to Planned Parenthood. 90% of that funding comes from the Federal Government anyway.
I hope they don't start blaming all the poverty stricken women who start putting even more kids into our welfare system. Seems ridiculous to not provide access to inexpensive birth control. I would rather my tax money go to that than the cost of an unwanted child over the course of its life. I suppose if you are poor and a woman, you should just not have sex... and be sure to take extreme rape pervention methods. Whatever, that would be.
The fact remains, both parties are petty and underhanded in their use of the media. Both are guilty. The masses have to do their own research and figure it out. The fact that we get to is what makes this country great.
A horny scumbag you willing have sex with is NOT the same as a horny scumbag that rapes you. UGH! How could you even defend such a notion? Absurd!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It's simple! You're either Pro-Choice or No- Choice. If you're Pro-Choice a woman makes her own medical decisions, If you're No-Choice then you hijack that choice and make her medical decisions for her and force her to term. As I said, Pro-Choice or No-Chouce,
Regards. Tom
Small correction: "A horny scumbag your daughter is willing to have sex with...."Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie95
You give the lifers too much credit Tom, it's their way or NO WAY! NO EXCEPTIONS.
None of us is perfect, and sincerely sorry for your experience. As a father I have shared the pains and joys of my own kids successes and failures. Pretty helpless to change their choices though, and all I have is love and support. And talking until you are blue in the face. No matter how old they get, or what they do.
Control though?? NONE! Frustrating? You better believe it.
Thanks. I meant "you" in a global sense. Haha. Although, now, it seems funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yup. I got that part, but I'm wondering where are the parents if a daughter is having sex with a horny, scumbag? And then equate that with rape?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie95
So my daughter ASKED for it and DESERVED to be infected with HIV and ABUSED and NEGLECTED to the point of near death from AIDS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie95
And you think we're the sick ones?
He forced her to have sex, or she was willing?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
First of all he didn't equate the two, he spoke that as a father it's similar to HIM. I can relate to that feeling as a dad who loves his daughter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
But apparently you guys are perfect parents or don't give a rat's a$$ if your daughter is sleeping around
I don't have a daughter, and she wouldn't have slept around if I did have one. And neither of my sons slept (sleep) around.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't know... The horny scumbag who, my daughter willingly slept with, and IS going to be IN my grandchild's life FOREVER, is WAYYYY different than than a VIOLENT RAPIST who TOOK what he wanted...
If anything, you confirmed my belief that the right wing has NO CLUE about women. You MIRRORED what this right wing kook said, and you MIRROR what Todd Akin BELIEVES about rape.
excon
Really? So even if she had consensual sex with him the first time it's ok that he abused, nearly killed her and has left her permanently scarred emotionally and physically?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
You people make no sense. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. True liberal empathy on grand display. War on women my a$$, you don't care about women at all.
Again, you also believe my daughter ASKED for it and DESERVED to be infected with HIV and ABUSED and NEGLECTED to the point of near death from AIDS.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Unbelievable.
Um, I am a woman. And you said the sex was not a rape situation; therefore, she was willing. "The first time"?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Unless your daughter was raped, YES she asked for it. That you are unable to come to grips with that speaks LOUDLY about how CLUELESS the right wing is about women..
That you believe we think what happened to her, as a result of her consent, is FINE, is further evidence of your hysteria about this issue.
excon
Are you really that obtuse? To be honest I never asked her, it doesn't cure her of AIDS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
But OK, I'll just come right out and say it - I have no problem equating domestic abuse with rape, in fact it just may be worse. At least with the victim of rape she usually doesn't have to live with the guy in fear every day -day after day after day. And as a dad I can relate how this man felt at the thought of someone violating his daughter, her willingness is irrelevant to him... it still hurts.
But trust me, I won't count on any of you to have empathy for my daughter or the slightest clue about how it feels to her dad. I just hope none of you have to go through a similar experience because it's hell.
I'm done, I am sitting here not believing what I'm reading from you. After all those pages of saying the woman didn't deserve it you're all arguing that my daughter did in your phony war on women meme.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
You know nothing.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Quit playing the victim card... You KNOW us.. You KNOW we care.
You talk about straw men... What happened to your daughter is NOT the subject of this thread. She's a straw girl. This is about Republicans, and RAPE and their need to victimize the woman AGAIN by FORCING her to carry a rapists baby to term...
excon
No one said she deserved it. We are wondering why she chose to have sex with this person.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:
Yes, your daughter ASKED for sex. No, she doesn't deserve what happened as a result, and nobody said she does.. Why didn't she make him wear a condom? Did you TEACH her about condoms? Or did you teach her about abstinence??
excon
Wow. That was a big leap. They aren't similar at all. Rape is a violent act unasked for by the victim.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Have casual sex is not a sin in my book. So, long as you are educated and take precautions. A persons decisions are their own. That being said no one deserves HIV. I don't see that anyone has said that. The point we are discussing is rape or not. Premartial sex is not similar to rape... if it was, it would put all the fault on the man every time.. even though the woman was a willing participate. That isn't right. Or maybe saying they are similar is to say the woman is equally responsible for having been raped as if she just had willing premaritial sex... which is more absurd.
This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Perhaps, I need to purchase a burka.
So years of physical and psychological abuse and neglect is nothing like rape when the parent is a conservative? My daughter ASKED for sex, I must have been absent or a bad parent. There's no way that guy posing as a knight in shining armor might have used fear, shame, and guilt to intimidate and control my daughter - it's our fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
You know nothing.
No sir, I am not a victim, my daughter was. It may not have been literal, physical rape, I don't really know. I'd certainly say she was psychologically and emotionally raped for years. But it was you who brought up the issue of a man expressing how he felt "as a father" even as he denied the equation you want to make. I know how he feels, someone violated his daughter just like someone violated my daughter.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And again, my daughter asked to be abused for years? What the hell are you people not getting here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie95
Well one of the differences is that in a case of abuse you have the option to get away from it, you don't have that option during rape. How long was she together with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
My mom was abused by her second husband ONE time... I paid him a visit.. He never touched her again.. Where were you?
excon
No one said she deserved it. Its just not the topic of the thread. I can't imagine what you are going through. But you initially didn't mention the abuse. Yes, that is a big problem. Not what we were discussing, but a huge problem that again involves violence upon women. If your daughter was pregnant due to this domestic violence, I would support her right to decide what to do about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
As for HIV, it's a separate issue. Albeit, terrible still.
You are obivously too angry to think clearly, if you think anyone on here has suggested she deserved it!
Oh, back to my fault again. I was 2000 miles away. Do you understand domestic abuse at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
It's no ones fault but the perp's but we can't equal domestic abuse to rape.
Why are we on domestic violence? And how does it relate to the war on women? Has there been any policy changes/attempts that effect the topic?
Has a politician came out and said that domestic violence is also the same as premaritial sex? If so, speechlesstx, I am with you in being dumbfounded by that too.
Well, unless as part of the domestic abuse, the daughter was raped by her husband. You can still be raped by your spouse. Not sure if that is what happened in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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