Ask Me Help Desk - The choice in Wisconsin

Only in the left's mind does cutting funding to failing schools and using it give giving the "choice" to get their children an excellent education mean disaster. Why are we throwing away gazillions of dollars to schools that don't work? Oh yeah, to keep the unions happy and the leftist indoctrination intact. By golly we can't upset the union apple cart or teach our kids to think for themselves and be productive, educated citizens.

P.S. I've already reported on two successes of the collective bargaining law.

Union curbs rescue a Wisconsin school district

Milwaukee to see net gain from state budget

I have no doubt we'll be hearing more benefits reaped by the new law.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

. Why are we throwing away gazillions of dollars to schools that don't work? .

Interesting question seems accountability went out the window when schools became a matter of local politics

This is what happens when you give parents a choice...

Ind. vouchers prompt thousands to change schools

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Weeks after Indiana began the nation’s broadest school voucher program, thousands of students have transferred from public to private schools, causing a spike in enrollment at some Catholic institutions that were only recently on the brink of closing for lack of pupils.

It’s a scenario public school advocates have long feared: Students fleeing local districts in large numbers, taking with them vital tax dollars that often end up at parochial schools. Opponents say the practice violates the separation of church and state.

In at least one district, public school principals have been pleading with parents not to move their children.

“The bottom line from our perspective is, when you cut through all the chaff, nobody can deny that public money is going to be taken from public schools, and they’re going to end up in private, mostly religious schools,’’ said Nate Schnellenberger, president of the Indiana State Teachers Association.

The Supremes have already ruled that vouchers for parochial schools were OK if these five points are met:

the program must have a valid secular purpose,
aid must go to parents and not to the schools,
a broad class of beneficiaries must be covered,
the program must be neutral with respect to religion, and
there must be adequate nonreligious options.

Who pays for it? Hey I have nothing against private schools or charter schools. None at all, but its been my experience that the waiting lists are greater than the number of seats to be filled. Even with a voucher from the government, state local, or federal, who gets into the school, and who pays for it? Indiana has been moving in that direction for years, as small rural communities are well served by private schools, but areas that have large urban populations like Milwaukee, just cannot give out enough vouchers, and the raising on the wage limits of the voucher is what puts large urban populations at a considerable disadvantage, voucher or NOT.

Indiana is doing it much different than Wisconsin, and I give Mitch some props on his approach. Wish Walker would talk to Daniels, he could learn much.

So I guess its okay to subsidize through state funds, well to do kids and poorer urban kids get left out. That's what the whole fight is about. To be sure though, I think that private schools, the more, the better will indeed change the current public school model that has failed us, but again it comes down to who pays, and who gets the opportunity.

Unless it's a level playing field, and its NOT, its just another avenue of denying whole populations (urban minorities mostly) a chance at quality educations to escape the poverty that holds them back. Okay give everyone a voucher, do away with public schools but the question still is who pays for it? Who benefits? Who decides and how who fills limited seating?

Fix the public schools, you save far more money. And you have to have someplace for the majority of kids to go when the seats are filled. There will be many, trust me I know how this works. Been there, done that, still doing it.

Good job people of Wisconsin ! You made the right call yesterday!

Also quite glad Walker won... it goes to show there is hope yet for that state.

The left is obviously in denial today.

Ed Schultz is not taking it well.

Ed Schultz's WI Eulogy: If This Is A Template "I Believe It's Some Pretty Damn Scary Stuff"

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I'm not able and not allowed to type what I think about that clueless loudmouth blowhard... I can only hope he has a stroke.

Not sure where to post this, intimidation thread, war on women thread...

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Liberal Wisconsinite on Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch: ‘Hopefully the colon cancer will take her before we get her’

With the Wisconsin recall election in full swing Tuesday, the roving video patrols of Revealing Politics, a new conservative political website, were in the Badger State talking to voters. Journalist Christian Hartsock caught one bandana-clad liberal protester on camera in the capital city of Madison, threatening Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch.

“Run, get the f**k out of the state,” he advised the lieutenant governor … We’re coming after her anyway, so it doesn’t freaking matter anyway, win or lose.”

Asked what protesters would do with Kleefisch if they found her, he answered, “I don’t know, hopefully the colon cancer will take her before we get her.”

Yep, nothing like a little more violence and hatred toward women from the left.

Don't gloat too much righties, as maybe Walker survived but he has a new legislature to deal with that won't just rubber stamp his policies like the last one did. He may have to negotiate in good faith rather than lay down the law as he did before.

Or maybe they can just lay off state workers and teachers instead next time... which would have been the alternative. At least they all kept their jobs under his plan (you would think they would have been happy about that)... and what's wrong with State employees having to have the same benefits the average taxpayer (who is where their wages come from) has to live with?

If we can only make the Congress.. enate and White house do it too.

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but he has a new legislature to deal with

The Senate is out of session ;and he won because the people like his policies . Turns out that the noise in the capitol during the rowdy demonstrations were the fringe.

Have you forgotten the republicans who LOST their recall challenges? Do the math Tom. He no longer holds enough votes to push his agenda without negotiating.

That's cool while they finish investigating him, what you forgot his legal defense fund. That didn't go away with yesterdays election.

Yeah the Dems plan on doing to him like they did to Palin. I have heard nothing that links him to the investigations . So Sgt Schultz at MSNBC is just blowing hot air.
Like I said ;the legislature is no longer in session. When they come back ,the redistricting will have taken place and some of the Dems are losing their seats . That's just a fact. So all they have left is the threat of corruption charges