What you alleged. "You're saying hormones have no influence on a fetal brain?"

What I REALLY said. "You need some support for the idea of hormones "telling the brain" what gender it is...You especially need support that hormones "tell the brain" that even though the child is XY, it is nonetheless a female gender."

I was very specific in referring to your idea that hormones "tell the brain" that a male is really a female. The general influence of hormones on the growing child, including its brain, has never been an issue and you know it.

It really bugs me when someone runs out of ideas and so just starts making things up such as, "You're saying hormones have no influence on a fetal brain?" Pitiful.

It really bugs me when someone runs out of ideas and so just starts making things up such as, "You're saying hormones have no influence on a fetal brain?" Pitiful.

You asked: Where did you see me say that?

I can't read your mind. (Thank God!!!)

Here's a fun read for you:

https://transgenderwoman.home.blog/t...%20are%20women.

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You asked: Where did you see me say that?

I can't read your mind. (Thank God!!!)

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No, but you can read my posts, and that was, after all, what you were referring to.

Your link is just basically an op-ed. No science to be found there. This part was, indeed, "fun" (as in funny) to read.

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Anti-transgender people often say things such as “If a person is born with male chromosomes and male genitals, they’re a male, end of story. That’s a fact of science.”
Actually, science has moved on since the days when such statements were accepted as being the last word on gender matters. The people who make such arguments are behind the times and perhaps don’t even realise it.
Medical science now accepts the possibility that a foetus developing in the womb could form the basis of a female brain but that an unintended surge of testosterone within the mother’s body could cause the foetus to develop male genitals, thus resulting in the mismatch and dysphoria felt and experienced by transgender women from early childhood onwards.

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After assuring us that "science has moved on", we are told that medical science accepts this stunning "possibility". Now that is really funny. Possibilities are what advocates refer to when they have no real evidence. And how do we know that medical science has "accepted" this? Why, it's because the author tells us so, of course.

And that's not to mention that you actually agreed with this part of it. "If a person is born with male chromosomes and male genitals, they’re a male..." Post 184. "Truly male with XY chromosomes and internal/external male sex organs." I guess that makes you an "anti-transgender person"?

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And that's not to mention that you actually agreed with this part of it. "If a person is born with male chromosomes and male genitals, they’re a male..." Post 184. "Truly male with XY chromosomes and internal/external male sex organs." I guess that makes you an "anti-transgender person"?

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Not at all. Take off that male child's pants. What do you see? Yes, he's physically a male. Now, find out what's going on in his brain after prenatal hormone influences. Humans are not always what they look like naked.

Transgender women call themselves transgender women or transwomen or Tgirls. They invest 5-7 years of gender therapy, professional counseling, HRT, perhaps electrolysis and possibly the expensive face planing/voice coaching, and VERY expensive gender-affirming surgery.

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And that's not to mention that you actually agreed with this part of it. THEY SAID, "If a person is born with male chromosomes and male genitals, they’re a male..." In post 184. YOU SAID, "Truly male with XY chromosomes and internal/external male sex organs." I guess that makes you an "anti-transgender person"?

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You said just what they said, you anti-transgender hater!!! (<:

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You said just what they said, you anti-transgender hater!!! (<:

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I have absolutely no clue what you're saying.

I think you get it. You just don't like. You said exactly what the supposed "anti-transgender people" referenced in your article said.

Talk to you tomorrow. Heading to a pro-life meeting.

Apparently, you misunderstood.

Figured you'd like this one. https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...zg&oe=62557417

https://scontent.fmem1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...uw&oe=6254902D

I saw the librarian one a few days ago and passed it on.

As for the dairy cow one, this website might interest you:
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...ge-gender.html

And, just for fun, read about the sea bunny:
https://centerforsurfresearch.org/sea-bunny/

The World Atlas article said nothing that pertains to humans. All of the examples, non of which involved mammals, have been well known for years other than the frogs being influenced by toxins. In every case, the cause is well known and well established. That cannot be said at all of TG. And mysteriously missing from the article was anything about, for instance, male frogs who THOUGHT they were actually female frogs. In every instance cited, it was an animal that actually developed the genitalia when it switched from male to female or vice versa. . In other words, it actually DID become the opposite sex. That is not the case at all with TG individuals. And of course hermaphroditic animals possess fully mature and functioning genitalia for both sexes. They don't just THINK they are something else.

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The World Atlas article said nothing that pertains to humans. All of the examples, non of which involved mammals, have been well known for years other than the frogs being influenced by toxins.

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Gee whiz!!! I can't even have a bit of fun because you always go all out Mr. Serious and Exactitude.

Btw, LGBT+ -- we don't choose to be that way. Life would be much simpler if we could choose or not choose.

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Gee whiz!!! I can't even have a bit of fun because you always go all out Mr. Serious and Exactitude.

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Serious attitude warranted by a serious subject.

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Btw, LGBT+ -- we don't choose to be that way. Life would be much simpler if we could choose or not choose.

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We frequently cannot choose what we are tempted by, but we can choose how we respond. True of drug addiction. True of porn addiction. True of adulterous inclinations. True of just about everything on a moral level. That certainly does not make any of this easy. I'm sure that those who are seriously inclined towards sex with children would say the same thing.

When did you choose your eye color? Your skin color? Your ethnicity or race? Your handedness?

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we can choose how we respond.

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Exactly!!! And that's what transitioning is all about. Instead of drowning in dysphoria and depression, steps can be taken to right what Mother Nature got wrong.

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When did you choose your eye color? Your skin color? Your ethnicity or race? Your handedness?

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Those are all genetic issues. TG is not genetic.

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Exactly!!! And that's what transitioning is all about. Instead of drowning in dysphoria and depression, steps can be taken to right what Mother Nature got wrong.

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Or a person could put his/her faith in God and draw on His resources, just like everyone else has to do. Now you might have a valid point, but I somehow doubt it. It's the same issue as a man who wants to have sex with other men. It is plainly out of bounds according to the Bible, so it becomes a walk by faith.

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It's the same issue as a man who wants to have sex with other men. It is plainly out of bounds according to the Bible, so it becomes a walk by faith.

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Surely you jest!

Find the place where it says same gender sex is fine, and I'll show you MANY places where it says it is not.

Interesting backlash to all of this:
Transgender women no longer able to compete at elite female events run by British Cycling

To my mind this is the most unfair part of all of this mess:
Bridges, 21, began hormone therapy last year as part of her gender dysphoria treatment, and raced in men's events until February.

Would be a different matter if the person participated as a single gender rather doing the old mix and match as it suited.
So, a mediocre male elite athlete can swap genders and compete as female, sorry but really how is that actually fair to all involved...

Thankfully there is a smidgeon of common sense left across the pond. There is none here. The consensus opinion now is that mutilation by chemical castration is "gender affirming " .

Edna Mahan women's prisoners pregnant after sex with transgender inmate (nypost.com)