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6 repub congressional hearing into Bengahzi and you got nothing? Come on JL, Kavanaugh had one lousy half a$$ investigation that the dufus squelched, and YOU call that equal?

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I wasn't referring to Benghazi. The only thing HC was guilty of there was absolute gross incompetence. I was talking about the toy email server she used to transmit confidential information which Comey, that great monument of impartial justice, said was a violation of the law but then chose not to prosecute. That, of course, after AG Lynch met secretly with HC's former pres husband for nearly an hour to talk about who knows what. You're fine with that whole stinking mess because, after all, she's a liberal dem.

Kavanaugh, on the other hand, was accused of assisting a friend in the sexual assault of Dr. Ford, a charge which any neutral, thinking person would have to conclude was completely void of evidence. Her story was as full of holes as swiss cheese. Even her own witnesses could not verify the story. It was a complete travesty of so-called justice. Any prosecutor attempting to bring that case to court would have been laughed to scorn.

So yeah, I guess you're right in saying it was a false equivalency. Clinton was guilty and there was no doubt about it, while Kavanaugh could be found guilty of nothing more than excessive partying as a teen. Unfortunately, as we have found out, he was drinking alcohol rather than merely smoking pot.

The only thing Kavanaugh is guilty of is being a conversative. That, in truth, is what you really don't like about him. If he was a liberal dem, he would have sailed through the hearings with no problems, and you know very well that's true.

You can defend the dufus and the other silver spoon in mouth privileged drunk frat boy all you want, and delude yourself into thinking the snake oil you bought is nectar of the gods, doesn't change the stink of almost everything about this administration's words, actions, or behavior at all.

Sorry guy, wallow in your own crap all by yourself. Oh darn there I go stooping to crass name calling again! Pass me what you're smoking so I can be loony too. What? You ain't smoking good dope? You just are naturally loony? Well heck why didn't you say so!

jlisenbe - Re your comment to tal - "You are in fantasy land again". Speaking about fantasy land......

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Do you, or do you not, believe that anyone who does not believe in Jesus will spend eternity in hell suffering punishment for all time? This includes babies and children and people who never heard of Jesus. Your answer, please.

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You can run, but you can't hide. We await your answer.

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You can defend the dufus and the other silver spoon in mouth privileged drunk frat boy all you want, and delude yourself into thinking the snake oil you bought is nectar of the gods, doesn't change the stink of almost everything about this administration's words, actions, or behavior at all.

Sorry guy, wallow in your own crap all by yourself. Oh darn there I go stooping to crass name calling again! Pass me what you're smoking so I can be loony too. What? You ain't smoking good dope? You just are naturally loony? Well heck why didn't you say so!

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No facts. No evidence. Just crude name calling. Sad. Defending Trump? He hasn't even been in the conversation.

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"Do you, or do you not, believe that anyone who does not believe in Jesus will spend eternity in hell suffering punishment for all time? This includes babies and children and people who never heard of Jesus. Your answer, please."

You can run, but you can't hide. We await your answer.

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The question has been answered on several occasions. I don't intend to waste anymore of my time with you on that. Go back...read carefully...comprehend. As I've told you before, if you will try that, you will profit from it. Perhaps it will be a new experience for you?

Better yet, read the Bible for yourself. Find your answers there.

You ignore facts and evidence so what's left besides name calling?

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You ignore facts and evidence so what's left besides name calling?

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Try making your case.

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The question has been answered on several occasions. I don't intend to waste anymore of my time with you on that. Go back...read carefully...comprehend. As I've told you before, if you will try that, you will profit from it. Perhaps it will be a new experience for you?

Better yet, read the Bible for yourself. Find your answers there.

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In that case, jisnbe I will recall it for you. I'm not surprised you avoid answering.

YES, you believe that babies and people who never heard of Jesus will spend eternity in a hell being tortured and punished for all time. You defend this by quoting the Bible which does not say that. No need to go over that. I've explained it to you more than once to no avail. That makes me think you are pleased with the idea.

Why do I bring it up again? Because such a bizarre belief reveals your thought process and how you process information. Like many others, you sublimate reason to your biases. This is typical of the core Trump group which includes Christian Evangelicals many of whom hold the same belief about hell. The correlation is instructive as both conclusions rely on non-rational approaches to issues.

Believing innocent children will roast forever in a fiery hell helps us to weigh your belief in your various expressed political/social positions against your truly sick belief in the torture of babies.

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In that case, jisnbe I will recall it for you. I'm not surprised you avoid answering.

YES, you believe that babies and people who never heard of Jesus will spend eternity in a hell being tortured and punished for all time. You defend this by quoting the Bible which does not say that. No need to go over that. I've explained it to you more than once to no avail. That makes me think you are pleased with the idea.

Why do I bring it up again? Because such a bizarre belief reveals your thought process and how you process information. Like many others, you sublimate reason to your biases. This is typical of the core Trump group which includes Christian Evangelicals many of whom hold the same belief about hell. The correlation is instructive as both conclusions rely on non-rational approaches to issues.

Believing innocent children will roast forever in a fiery hell helps us to weigh your belief in your various expressed political/social positions against your truly sick belief in the torture of babies.

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That does not represent my beliefs. Never said it. So again, "The question has been answered on several occasions. I don't intend to waste anymore of my time with you on that. Go back...read carefully...comprehend. As I've told you before, if you will try that, you will profit from it. Perhaps it will be a new experience for you?

Better yet, read the Bible for yourself. Find your answers there."

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That does not represent my beliefs.

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Excellent! That's great news. I'm glad you've changed.

I know what you said. You know what you said. Others may go back and discover for themselves. I have no need to.

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I know what you said. You know what you said. Others may go back and discover for themselves. I have no need to.

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"The question has been answered on several occasions. I don't intend to waste anymore of my time with you on that. Go back...read carefully...comprehend. As I've told you before, if you will try that, you will profit from it. Perhaps it will be a new experience for you?

Better yet, read the Bible for yourself. Find your answers there."

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That does not represent my beliefs

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Hmm, now I'm wondering. Did you have your fingers crossed when you said that? I think you had your fingers crossed. Just when I thought it was finished with your admission.

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"The question has been answered on several occasions. I don't intend to waste anymore of my time with you on that. Go back...read carefully...comprehend. As I've told you before, if you will try that, you will profit from it. Perhaps it will be a new experience for you?

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Now you repeated this. Are you retracting your admission?

How about this? Do you formally renounce the following statement?

To wit:
"UNBELIEVERS WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS GOT TO HELL FOR ETERNAL PUNISHMENT".

"Unbelievers", of course, would include children too young to understand and all people who ever lived that never heard of or believed in Jesus.

I was hoping you would finally see the absurdity of such a belief. Now I'm not sure you got it.

And again.

"The question has been answered on several occasions. I don't intend to waste anymore of my time with you on that. Go back...read carefully...comprehend. As I've told you before, if you will try that, you will profit from it. Perhaps it will be a new experience for you?

Better yet, read the Bible for yourself. Find your answers there."

Athos: You keep coming at jlisenbe about an interpretation of Biblical scriptures.....What about Democrat Muslims and their beliefs in Koran scriptures: Why don't the beliefs of Democrat Congressmen/women bother you so much....you are alluding the Bible as being something akin to a fairytale, right? That you can't believe a literal translation of it without being some whack job, isn't that what you are saying? Where is your disdain for those on the Democrat side that believe in Koranic scriptures? Or, believing literal translations of those are O.K. or are you afraid to condemn them? Why is criticism of Islamic beliefs "FORBADDEN" but condemnation of those who believe in the Bible just fine with you?

And why do you want to condemn Trump because Evangelicals support him when, at the same time, filthy socialist and vermin communist support Democrat candidates and some Democrat Congressmen are straight-up socialist? What gives?

WHY THE DICHOTOMY WITH YOU AND THE LEFT: Do you know how many AMERICANS have been killed by communist and those who claim to believe in Islam (which they can't be true Muslims or they wouldn't be killing in the first place)? But yet, its O.K. for the left to have these radical groups on their side, endorsing them, and the left says that is just fine....and the Democrats will take their donations, too: no problem! But Trumps a SOB because some Evangelicals decide to support him! You can't explain this away....its way bigger than you and you just ESPOUSE THE PARTY LINE.

Yup! you got the repub party line down pretty pat yourself.

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Athos: You keep coming at jlisenbe about an interpretation of Biblical scriptures

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No, it's only one scripture. His stated belief that unbelievers spend eternity being punished in hell. I have pointed out to him the absurdity of such a belief but he clings to it like a dog to his bone. Be careful how you read posts here.

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What about Democrat Muslims and their beliefs in Koran scriptures:

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What about them? Or any Muslim, for that matter? You're coming across here as a mindless bigot.

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Why don't the beliefs of Democrat Congressmen/women bother you so much

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Apparently, they bother you. More mindless bigotry. Sad.

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you are alluding the Bible as being something akin to a fairytale, right?

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No, wrong! You should stop assuming things you have no knowledge about. That's a trait of mindlessness.

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That you can't believe a literal translation of it without being some whack job, isn't that what you are saying?

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No, that's not what I'm saying. You're batting zero. Are you ever going to say something intelligent?

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Where is your disdain for those on the Democrat side that believe in Koranic scriptures?

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Good grief, you're running amok. I suspect you're projecting your own disdain for "Democrats that believe in Koranic scriptures". As for me, I have none.

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Or, believing literal translations of those are O.K. or are you afraid to condemn them? Why is criticism of Islamic beliefs "FORBADDEN" but condemnation of those who believe in the Bible just fine with you?

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You don't have the slightest inkling what I believe or don't believe about the Koran, yet you continue to charge me with things you have no knowledge of. You have just graduated to religious BIGOT with a capital B.

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You have it backwards. I criticize Evangelicals because they support Trump. Got it?

Evangelicals promote themselves as strict moralists yet they support this man Trump who is demonstrably a person of unbridled lusts and lies, and financial cheating as a businesssman.

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at the same time, filthy socialist and vermin communist support Democrat candidates and some Democrat Congressmen are straight-up socialist? What gives?

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What gives is your fevered mind. Do you deny Neo-Nazis support the right-wing? Racists and anti-Semites, also? What is socialism practiced by "some Democrat Congressmen"?

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WHY THE DICHOTOMY WITH YOU AND THE LEFT:

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Dichotomy? I don't think you know what the word means. Better look it up.

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Do you know how many AMERICANS have been killed by communist and those who claim to believe in Islam (which they can't be true Muslims or they wouldn't be killing in the first place)?

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Not exactly, but I know that far more in orders of magnitude have been killed by Bible-believing Christians. Not even close.

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But yet, its O.K. for the left to have these radical groups on their side, endorsing them, and the left says that is just fine....and the Democrats will take their donations, too: no problem! But Trumps a SOB because some Evangelicals decide to support him! You can't explain this away.

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Of course I can "explain it away" This is just a mindless rant not deserving of a long explanation. How about this: Sustitute "right" for "left", "Republicans" for "Democrats", "idiot" for "SOB", and you have a better rant.

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It's way bigger than you and you just ESPOUSE THE PARTY LINE

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As an independent, I have no party line to "espouse". I can't say the same for you.

Byw, are you a member of the John Birch Society? Just curious.

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His stated belief that unbelievers spend eternity being punished in hell. I have pointed out to him the absurdity of such a belief but he clings to it like a dog to his bone.

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John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

John 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.

Rev. 20:11ff Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

I would guess you do not dispute the necessity of faith in Christ. For those who do not have faith, what do you think happens to them?

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I would guess you do not dispute the necessity of faith in Christ. For those who do not have faith, what do you think happens to them?

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We're waiting for you to tell us what happens to all those who've never heard about Jesus -- all those miscarried and aborted babies, all the people who lived before Jesus showed up, all those who've never had Christian missionaries tromping across their lands.

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I would guess you do not dispute the necessity of faith in Christ. For those who do not have faith, what do you think happens to them?

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Whatever you call your power greater than yourself, or have none, it's all good because our bodies turn to dust and our souls belong to the universe. That's enough for me. It's hard enough being a good human to worry about the things I cannot control. Pray for me anyway though in case you're right.

Athos: I am an Independent, too, thank you....and, I am not a member of the John Birch Society.….Do you know who was John Birch? He was a U.S. Intelligence Officer who was murdered by ChiComs not long after WWII ended but before the Cold War began....The John Birch Society celebrates John Birch and is decidedly anticommunist....So you have a problem with those who are anticommunist?

You obviously have a problem with the word of God, when that word comes from Christians.

You are sidestepping huge issues within the workings of the left......Republicans have no Muslim Congressmen or Senators but Democrats have three that I know of. Republicans have no communist/socialists in their ranks but Democrats have at least two that I know about. Oh, to your charge: Republicans have no Nazis or right wing extremist in their party but there are many radicals in the Democrat Party. Let's see: Communists killed 38,000 Americans in the Korean Conflict and 58,000 Americans in the Vietnam Conflict....that is 96,000 Americans killed by Bolsheviks but yet you say we should not worry about that and concentrate on the number of Americans killed by Christians because Christians killed more Americans than did communists? What in the name of God are you talking about? Do you even know? Oh, and by the way: ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE....there is no such thing as a Christian that doesn't believe in the Bible! Obviously, you missed this one....you don't know much about the Bible, do you?

And, then, there are the Muslims: You labeled me....I didn't label you and I WILL NOT EVER LABEL YOU.....I just don't do that. Why are those on the left so quick to label? You label me as a Religious Bigot because I point out the discrepancies that exist between the Right and the left in terms of who is embracing Muslims more than they are embracing Christians...that makes me a Religious Bigot, according to you: I am not....what I am doing is demonstrating that Democrats have, in their ranks, members of a religion that has DECLARED WAR ON THE UNITED STATES AT HOME AND AROUND THE WORLD....and that is not an exaggeration, at all. Do you remember 911? It wasn't committed by Christians, was it? Terrorism is owned by this religion, try and dispute that and you will look mortally silly......that religion owns 98-99% of world terrorism....dispute it, if you can but I know its undisputable. And the left loves to molly coddle this bunch. I don't have issues with those that are law abiding CITIZENS who assimilate to the American way of life.....but I have problems with radicals of this religion that have gobbed onto the Democrat Party and espouse the destruction of the American way of life and whom the left endorses, consistently, at all opportunities. The U.S. Constitution guarantees us certain unalienable rights and that includes Freedom of Religion. You are free to practice whatever religion you so choose. However, you are not permitted to mix religion and government: We are secular n terms of government and the same rules apply to all religions, not just Christians. The left wishes to exclude Christians while embracing other religions and they want to bend to rules to permit this...typical.

And it is a DICHOTOMY between you and the left on these issues: You and the left talk about freedoms but yet are perfectly willing to deny those same freedoms to those who do not believe as the left does.

You tried desperately to make jlisenbe look like a fool, saying no scriptures existed that says you will burn in hell for eternity if you die not believing in God...you are clearly wrong!

I am not Protestant, I am Catholic....but I support a Protestant Evangelicals right to support whomever he sees fit....Remember, this is the U.S. and we have a Constitutional Right called Freedom of Religion....It is not called "Freedom From Religion"....and, you know what, the small differences between Catholicism and Protestants really don't matter in the big picture because a very big common thread exists: When it comes to the scriptures, God said it and that is that!....and it doesn't matter if you believe it or not but be aware that the payment for not believing is eternal damnation.

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We're waiting for you to tell us what happens to all those who've never heard about Jesus -- all those miscarried and aborted babies, all the people who lived before Jesus showed up, all those who've never had Christian missionaries tromping across their lands.

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For babies and children, no, you are not waiting. I've already answered that.

As to those who are adults and are guilty before God (which is everyone), then based on the scriptures I presented, perhaps you should ask God.