I'm into permanent security measures ,

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I'm into permanent security measures ,

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Then we'd better build a wall protecting us from fentanyl shipments flooding the US from Canada.

There can be no such thing as permanent security measure since the bad guys watch closely, learn, and adjust to whatever the good guys do. Security must also be ready willing and able to adjust, or what's the point?

what's the point ? Here is a photo of Pelosi's home .Note the big beautiful wall that serves as part of permanent security for her and her family .
https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2018/...resize=865,452

Here is the emperor's Washington DC home . Note the wall he expanded once he moved in to enhance his security .https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017...3726247259.jpg

Here is Evita's home . Evita ;tear down that wall !!! https://freemartyg.com/images/Clinto...gle_maps_2.jpg

here is the new wall that Sandanista Bill De Blasio had built around Gracie Mansion https://static01.nyt.com/images/2014...isable=upscale

Hey I get it and endorse it, I have my own modest version of a big beautiful wall to keep out unwanted visitors but the reality is the left doesn't want to keep visitors out and they don't want to keep potential residents out but it is obvious on a personal level that they think walls preferable to guns, maybe?

Behind those walls are men with guns, as will be the great wall the dufus wants. Unfortunately the dufus conflates unarmed men and even more women and children as invaders and criminals which is a lie or more charitably a great exaggeration. I think a human process of humans without that soaring exaggeration would yield better results and separate the desperate from the criminal very easily since asylum seekers are LEGAL under our law.

Plus I think it's pretty stupid to even listen to the conniving schemes of a proven liar, cheater, and bully who has ripped off citizens for decades. Only the loony right could find such a character to follow.

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Plus I think it's pretty stupid to even listen to the conniving schemes of a proven liar, cheater, and bully who has ripped off citizens for decades.

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I agree completely. I don't listen to Hillary either.

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since asylum seekers are LEGAL under our law.

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then you are completely unfamiliar with the law if you believe someone bum rushing the border is obeying asylum laws .

Let's face it Tom, law is only a convenience to the left. They can use it to coerce

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I agree completely. I don't listen to Hillary either.

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That's fair enough on it's face, but you do listen to the dufus so that's not exactly a step up. Since elected he has told enough LIES that you cannot use the Hillary excuse any longer.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

then you are completely unfamiliar with the law if you believe someone bum rushing the border is obeying asylum laws .

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There you go with your soaring rhetoric, not unlike the dufus LIES! The law is the law.

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That's fair enough on it's face, but you do listen to the dufus so that's not exactly a step up. Since elected he has told enough LIES that you cannot use the Hillary excuse any longer.

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I do agree with you up to a point. When Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall, that was ridiculous. He promised to release his income tax returns and has not done so. So yes, he has lied. I would just point out that he has not lied to anywhere near the level Obama and Clinton did who lied about dead Americans, and yet liberals turn red in the face about Trump but were strangely silent about Obama and H.C. One thing I nearly always take issue with is inconsistency, and that's what I see at work in your comments.

don't forget this emperor lie . 'I will close GITMO ' .

Tal asylum seekers need to prove they are either the victim of past persecution or fearfuture persecution. In the case of past persecution, you must prove that you were persecuted in your home country or last country of residence.The persecution must have been based on at least one of five grounds, either :

• race
• religion
• nationality
• political opinion, or
• membership in a particular social group .

THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR ECONOMIC REASONS . The vast majority seeking asylum at the border are there for economic reasons.

I have a good question ? Why aren't the Dems begging us to take in Venezuelan refugees (who are legitimately suffering political persecution ). Maybe because the Venezuelans know the truth about living in a command economy centralized socialist state .

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don't forget this emperor lie . 'I will close GITMO ' .

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Repubs said no!

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Tal asylum seekers need to prove they are either the victim of past persecution or fearfuture persecution. In the case of past persecution, you must prove that you were persecuted in your home country or last country of residence.The persecution must have been based on at least one of five grounds, either :

• race
• religion
• nationality
• political opinion, or
• membership in a particular social group .

THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR ECONOMIC REASONS . The vast majority seeking asylum at the border are there for economic reasons.

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Only going through a humane process can determine that... RIGHT?

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I have a good question ? Why aren't the Dems begging us to take in Venezuelan refugees (who are legitimately suffering political persecution ). Maybe because the Venezuelans know the truth about living in a command economy centralized socialist state .

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Let me know when the dufus spots a caravan of Venezuelans.

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I have a good question ? Why aren't the Dems begging us to take in Venezuelan refugees (who are legitimately suffering political persecution ). Maybe because the Venezuelans know the truth about living in a command economy centralized socialist state .

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Tal is right. They're pouring into Colombia, not the US. Should we send buses?

What are you all going on about? Why do you feel the need to prove he (Trump) is a liar and a thief.
SO what! We have an unscrupulous president.


If you think he will ever spend time incarcerated you are as foolish as he.
He will not be Impeached.
The wall is nothing, none of this has to do with building a wall or the money to build it.
Preventing the president from doing his Job is what it's all about.
From day one many of our politician's declared they were not going to do their job thereby preventing our standing President from doing his.


Yes, maybe we should have voted-in the better Politician (liar and thief).
Trump was never a politician, he can't be expected to lie (with the best of them) like a true politician.
Let the Man do his job, he might surprise you.

We said that when Obama was elected so we all should know it doesn't work that way. Stop being a baby hollering foul, and protect your dufus.

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don't forget this emperor lie . 'I will close GITMO ' .



Repubs said no

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why didn't he do it by fiat like he did with DACA ?

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Tal asylum seekers need to prove they are either the victim of past persecution or fearfuture persecution. In the case of past persecution, you must prove that you were persecuted in your home country or last country of residence.The persecution must have been based on at least one of five grounds, either :

• race
• religion
• nationality
• political opinion, or
• membership in a particular social group .

THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR ECONOMIC REASONS . The vast majority seeking asylum at the border are there for economic reasons.



Only going through a humane process can determine that... RIGHT?

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There is a humane process . It is called applying for asylum in your own country with the US embassy .

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https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...post-right.png I have a good question ? Why aren't the Dems begging us to take in Venezuelan refugees (who are legitimately suffering political persecution ). Maybe because the Venezuelans know the truth about living in a command economy centralized socialist state . Let me know when the dufus spots a caravan of Venezuelans.

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I don't see the Dems making any effort to get them asylum status . The same thing happened with Cubans . For years they had a provision to allow them in if they made it to shore . It was called 'wet foot dry foot '. Well the emperor did not want anyone really repressed from a communist state here telling Americans what life is like under socialist oppression so he ended that policy . You see the Cubans had a legitimate claim to asylum ;not the economic one that the Honduran border raiders have .

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why didn't he do it by fiat like he did with DACA ?

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The fight over Gitmo was a tough battle but but Obama reduced the number of prisioners from 245 to 41, and the dufus so far has removed 1 himself, and the courts held that Obama had the authority to prioritize who he hunted down and deported. Criminals were his priority, and KIDS were not. All done lawfully, humanely and he may not have fully succeeded in his aims, he worked at it, took his lumps and pressed forward, as contrast to this heavy handed style of the dufus who thinks he is an emperor.

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There is a humane process . It is called applying for asylum in your own country with the US embassy .

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That's just not what the LAW says Tom, https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/r...-united-states

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I don't see the Dems making any effort to get them asylum status . The same thing happened with Cubans . For years they had a provision to allow them in if they made it to shore . It was called 'wet foot dry foot '. Well the emperor did not want anyone really repressed from a communist state here telling Americans what life is like under socialist oppression so he ended that policy . You see the Cubans had a legitimate claim to asylum ;not the economic one that the Honduran border raiders have .

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I am aware of history, and aware of how the US helped ravage those Central Americans way back in the day. Not that it took that much to tilt the balance of power, nor is it any surprise that the same thing is happening in other countries in the CA. You better watch XI, and Vlad down there.

You want to stop the migration patterns? Deal with the root causes of them. Political wars. Good LUCK with that... bring a big lunch and cancel the golf game tomorrow.