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  • Jan 22, 2015, 02:58 PM
    cdad
    Who really knows what is and what isnt.

    Generals conclude Obama backed al-Qaida

    Generals conclude Obama backed al-Qaida
  • Jan 22, 2015, 03:22 PM
    paraclete
    Yes a damning indictment of US double play in the world of the war on terror, which state is sponsoring terrorism now? The enemy of my enemy is my friend can sometimes backfire. I'm not surprised Hilary resigned
  • Jan 22, 2015, 09:42 PM
    paraclete
    Is this too good to be true?
    US officials thank Australia for helping kill 6000 Islamic State fighters including half its commanders

    Another report of thousands of ISIS fighters killed, this should be catastrophic for an organisation which was thought to have maybe 10,000 fighters but we don't hear much about them retreating and the area of territory retaken is relatively small. This should be embolding the coalition to put boots on the ground and end this
  • Jan 23, 2015, 04:02 AM
    NeedKarma
    Oh fear cdad reads wnd and believes it... and he's the Internet Research Expert. That sad.
  • Jan 23, 2015, 04:25 AM
    paraclete
    It's sad you don't take something positive from that article karma, you always want to shoot the messenger, on another tack I see that the US has started to refer to ISIS as Daesh, which should make the militants really mad, if you could be madder than they already are
  • Jan 23, 2015, 05:15 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    you always want to shoot the messenger
    Not really but in this case it's justified. It's a website full of hate and misinformation.
  • Jan 23, 2015, 11:10 AM
    tomder55
    forgetting which publication is being quoted ;the truth is that the Citizens Commission on Benghazi has on it's member list ; USAF Brig General Charles Jones retired ; Admiral James Lyons retired ,who served as CIC of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, retired General Thomas McInerney ,who once served for VP Al Goracle .and Retired General Paul Vallely . There are other former high ranking officers in the committee also . They are the ones being quoted by the author . There is no doubt that Ambassador Stevens was involved in weapon transfers from the jihadists who ousted Q Daffy ,to Syrian rebels .

    Quote:

    I see that the US has started to refer to ISIS as Daesh, which should make the militants really mad, if you could be madder than they already are
    Why should they get mad ? That's what they call themselves .
  • Jan 23, 2015, 01:06 PM
    paraclete
    Apparently Tom it denies their Caliphate and they don't like abbrebriations, you know what these religious types are like, it's the full title or nothing. But back to Stephens, if you involve yourself in gun running you are liable to get caught in the middle. These operations supporting rebel goups always end badly, I don't understand why the US doesn't operate on a higher level but then they don't assassinate national leaders, do they? This ISIS, sorry Daesh, thing could be ended with a couple of battalions of special forces given their head and allowed to operate freely in a clandestine manner. Those ineffective Iraqis could then do the mopping up and occupation, they don't need years of training for that.

    But no, we have to be sensitive to the ego's of the Iraqi and sit on the fence
  • Jan 26, 2015, 01:32 PM
    paraclete
    Korbani has fallen, this has got to be a positive and we can expect Mosul to be the next city to be liberated by the Kurds who possess the will so lacking in the Iraqi arabs
  • Jan 26, 2015, 03:09 PM
    tomder55
    Inside Mosul there is a determined resistance to the Islamic State capture of the city . They call themselves the "Mosul Liberation Battalions" ,and are responsible for a large number of Jihadists deaths . They could desperately use resupply to continue their resistance. These fighters will be assisted soon by Iraqi regulars and the Peshmerga to retake the city .
  • Jan 26, 2015, 05:10 PM
    paraclete
    This is good news, these terrorists need to be eliminated and the Kurds supported despite what Iraq and turkey think. The US should strongly support the Kurds and give the Shiite regime a big miss
  • Jan 28, 2015, 03:02 PM
    paraclete
    Keeping score
    1200 ISIS militants are said to have died in Korbani a victory that they not be able to recover from, they are now entrenching in Mosul
  • Feb 3, 2015, 02:20 PM
    paraclete
    This takes us further into the abyss
    ISIS video shows Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kaseasbeh engulfed in flames inside a metal cage

    ISIS or Daesh, the new popular name, for the nightmare that is playing out in Syria and Iraq has taken another step to ensure that the world will not rest until it is wiped out. By killing a Jordanian in this manner they will insense the Arab world. Their atrocities were previously committed against western journalists and aid workers but this sends a clear message to the muslim world
  • Feb 4, 2015, 04:45 AM
    tomder55
    I wrote this on the other op . Worth repeating ....

    the West was getting bored with beheading videos so they adopted and did an immolation murder and tossed a homosexual 7 stories off a building . When he didn't die immediately ,the crowd finished him off with your boiler plate stoning . We love a good Grand Guignol.
  • Feb 4, 2015, 05:55 AM
    paraclete
    Too ghoulish for me Tom
  • Feb 5, 2015, 02:00 PM
    paraclete
    Is this what it takes to defeat them
    Get an arab enraged?
    Jordan launches airstrikes against ISIS
  • Feb 8, 2015, 07:00 AM
    tomder55
    the King of Jordan is certainly taking it to the Islamic State . But when he asked for US drone support he was turned down by the emperor who's National Security Advisor doesn't think that jihadistan poses an existential threat .

    This of course fits in well with his inactive foreign policy that is now being designated as “strategic patience.”
    White House Unveils Call for ‘Strategic Patience’ | Foreign Policy

    Basically ,strategic patience is drawing a red line ;and when it gets crossed ,draw another one. Another name for it would be 'dithering obfuscation' . You see ,losing Egypt ,Libya, Syria ,northern Iraq ,Yemen was all part of the plan.
  • Feb 8, 2015, 01:32 PM
    paraclete
    Strategic patience is that your way of saying isolationist, you always use two words where one will suffice
  • Feb 8, 2015, 01:58 PM
    tomder55
    in this case ,it's just another manifestation of 'Lead from Behind' (LFB). It went from LFB to 'don't do stupid sh~t' and now to 'don't do anything' . The next phase ,already underway is “conscious uncoupling”.. or in your words ,isolationist . As Evita says,"What difference does it make?"

    The emperor clearly is thinking of the threats of the 1st millennium .But he should realize that the threat posed by the Medieval Christian world is contained . Time to move on to the existential threat posed by jihadistan .
  • Feb 8, 2015, 02:03 PM
    talaniman
    Jordan is all fired up and ready to go, but lets see how long it lasts before we send in anything they holler for. If anyone should get what they want, it's the Kurds!

    Frankly Tom I see no reason we cannot give the locals a chance to fight for their own rights, instead of us rescuing them.

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