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Originally Posted by smoothy

its the lazy youths fault.

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Do you have children?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Do you have children?

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WHat differnce does that make? Lazy is lazy... I knew how to lay brick and block, build a footer for a foundation, do basic carpentry and plumbing besides mechanical work, and everything a person needs to be self sufficient (as a bachelor) before I ever graduated high school and entered college to get my degree in Electronic Engineering.

Few young people today can even find the spare tire much less know how to change it or much else....yet they think they know everything there is to know about everything.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

WHat differnce does that make? Lazy is lazy... I knew how to lay brick and block, build a footer for a foundation, do basic carpentry and plumbing besides mechanical work, and everything a person needs to be self sufficient (as a bachelor) before I ever graduated high school and entered college to get my degree in Electronic Engineering.

Few young people today can even find the spare tire much less know how to change it or much else....yet they think they know everything there is to know about everything.

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Where are these young people you are complaining about? My experience has been just the opposite. Even the non-white kids want to (and do) learn and excel and learn a trade or go to college. It all comes down to the parents and their rolemodeling/teaching.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Where are these young people you are complaining about? My experience has been just the opposite. Even the non-white kids want to (and do) learn and excel and learn a trade or go to college. It all comes down to the parents and their rolemodeling/teaching.

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If they have all these "skillz"... why are they lounging around until they are 30 or more in their parents houses... when jobs are out there... Obama said so, so did Harry Ried adn Nancy Pelosi...they all claimed the economy is doing great and there are 20 some million illegals finding jobs... many of them in the Skilled trades. Not picking vegetables.

I don't see many late teens or 20 anythings willing to break a sweat or get their fingernails dirty until they find a better higher paying job.

And I certainly don't know any that can even find much less replace the fuel filter on their car....much less do anything else.

Sure the parents share SOME of the blame, until they turn 18....but ultimately the youth bear it all when they become legal age....being lazy because you have lazy parents is not a legitimate excuse.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

If they have all these "skillz"... why are they lounging around until they are 30 or more in their parents houses... when jobs are out there... Obama said so, so did Harry Ried adn Nancy Pelosi...they all claimed the economy is doing great and there are 20 some million illegals finding jobs... many of them in the Skilled trades. Not picking vegetables.

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They aren't lounging around here. And there are millions of jobs unfilled. One of the problems is that entitled white kids don't want to start on a lower rung of the ladder, but expect to be CEO two weeks after their start date. I blame the parents for that attitude. "You can be anything you want to be." (No, you can't. You might even have to sweep floors for a while.)

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

They aren't lounging around here. And there are millions of jobs unfilled. One of the problems is that entitled white kids don't want to start on a lower rung of the ladder, but expect to be CEO two weeks after their start date. I blame the parents for that attitude. "You can be anything you want to be." (No, you can't.)

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Where are these millions of unfilled jobs when the REAL unemployment rate (The U-6 rate) is 12.3%

U6 Unemployment Rate | Portal Seven

Or are 12.3% of the population commiting fraud?

I do agree by the way that no you can't be anything you want......you only have the chance to try to become it. If you work hard enough...maybe you will, or maybe you won't. Life is what you make of it....work harder and work smarter you get more of it than if you take the easy way out..

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Where are these young people you are complaining about? My experience has been just the opposite.

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Apparently you have been out of the loop for a while.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Where are these millions of unfilled jobs when the REAL unemployment rate (The U-6 rate) is 12.3%

U6 Unemployment Rate | Portal Seven

Or are 12.3% of the population commiting fraud?

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There's a mismatch in skills. We don't need more lawyers, but we do need more plumbers and pipefitters, more electricians, more postal workers (at least in my town, we do). Would you rather mention at the next party that you are a pipefitter or a corporate attorney?

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Originally Posted by J_9

Apparently you have been out of the loop for a while.

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Not in my part of the world.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

There's a mismatch in skills. We don't need more lawyers, but we do need more plumbers and pipefitters, more electricians, more postal workers (at least in my town, we do). Would you rather mention at the next party that you are a pipefitter or a corporate attorney?

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Post office is having to downsize.. dramatically...

I don't consider World of Warchraft or Grand Theft auto as job skills... and a lot of the youth even if they did take high school serious... have no skills beyond playing those games.

If you don't have any skills you have to get an entry level job while you learn some... Until you learn enough to be of value to someone... you just aren't going to earn very much.

And anyone thats reasonably intelligent...adapts to what the job market needs....or moves to where their skillset is needed.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Post office is having to downsize.. dramatically...

I don't consider World of Warchraft or Grand Theft auto as job skills... and a lot of the youth even if they did take high school serious... have no skills beyond playing those games.

If you don't have any skills you have to get an entry level job while you learn some... Until you learn enough to be of value to someone... you just aren't going to earn very much.

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Not every kid plays World of Warcraft or Grand Theft Auto, isolating himself from the rest of the world. And I agree that teens and young people have to start on a lower rung and work their way up, no matter what the job or career, meanwhile learning how a company works and how to get along in the corporate culture.

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Apparently you have been out of the loop for a while.

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Not in my part either... and I'm raising some great kids right now.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

There's a mismatch in skills. We don't need more lawyers, but we do need more plumbers and pipefitters, more electricians, more postal workers (at least in my town, we do). Would you rather mention at the next party that you are a pipefitter or a corporate attorney?

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Much of the problem stems from what is known as human resources. Those people in HR tend to go overboard for qualifications for jobs when they should just focus on what is really needed to perform the task at hand. Just examine local newspapers and you will see it in many ads.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Not every kid plays World of Warcraft or Grand Theft Auto, isolating himself from the rest of the world. And I agree that teens and young people have to start on a lower rung and work their way up, no matter what the job or career, meanwhile learning how a company works and how to get along in the corporate culture.

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the trend with legislations and executive orders regarding minimum wages just make it tougher for kids to get their feet in the door . As an example ,the 16 – 19 age group in Washington State has a 30.6 percent unemployment rate;7.7 percentage points higher than the U.S. average of 22.9 percent. So what did Seattle do to remedy that ?
Seattle approves $15 minimum wage - Jun. 2, 2014

the are unreal expectations when employing people for entry level jobs. If you are going to be paid slave wages the only qualification you need is a willingness to work but if the minimum wage is higher much more can be expected

nope ,all it means is that they end up having to compete with the adult labor force for the jobs. An entry level job is just that ,and entry level job with no experience .An entry level job is and was never intended to be a career .

things change Tom not everyone is a world beater some are just glad to hire on and see where it takes them

Portland Ore., and San Bernardino, Calif. , have unemployment rates higher than 50% for teens who haven't graduated from high school.31.4% in Seattle, 39% in Los Angeles and 37.5% in San Diego. Raising the minimum wage will make those numbers worse.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Portland Ore., and San Bernardino, Calif. , have unemployment rates higher than 50% for teens who haven't graduated from high school.31.4% in Seattle, 39% in Los Angeles and 37.5% in San Diego. Raising the minimum wage will make those numbers worse.

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maybe not since it is apparent that the jobs just arn't there. you need a plan such as we implemented where those under 30 are required to move to where the employment is, or get no government support. the goods news for those who get jobs over there is they will be paid what their labour is worth, or just maybe they won't have a job. It's a compact that works both ways you know

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Originally Posted by paraclete

maybe not since it is apparent that the jobs just arn't there. you need a plan such as we implemented where those under 30 are required to move to where the employment is, or get no government support. the goods news for those who get jobs over there is they will be paid what their labour is worth, or just maybe they won't have a job. It's a compact that works both ways you know

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What is really needed is to revamp the education system and get away from this "me" crap they have been pushing and back to producing productive citizens. There used to be technical classes like wood or metal shop as well as auto shop. They taught skills and also gave you some insight into what it would be like to have that type of job. You gained a sellable skill along with an education. But in the new age of teaching our children those types of classes were the first to go.