We could hope all politicians would do that

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Originally Posted by paraclete

We could hope all politicians would do that

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Yeah... but like the old saying goes... hope in one hand and take a crap in the other... see which gets full first.

Seems the White House may have been threatening whistleblowers, which I could have guessed if past history is any indication.

Obama administration officials threatened whistle-blowers on Benghazi, lawyer says | Fox News

Shame the rest of the media has forgotten their role.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

So clearly if Benghazi was a State Dept. "mission" (it never was a consulate ) ,then it violated International Law.

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Oh dear, a violation of international law, so once again treaties mean nothing to the United States, they just go about their business as if no one else exists and when it bites them in the bum, someone hollars foul

Clete ,yesterday when asked about the people looking for whistle blower protection because they are being threatened by State Dept if they testify before Congress; the Emperor claimed he knew nothing about it even though it has been a major story in at least a 48 hr cycle. Well now he knows and he can easily direct his agencies to give the status to anyone in State or the special forces who wants to testify . Also ,the adm should immediately produce the names of the 30+ people who were rescued .
One of the people who wants to testify (a special ops soldier who has had to use a voice modulator to talk to the press as if he's Reva Khalidi hiding from the Iranian regime) ,claims that they know who the leaders of the attack are ,and where they are located... and that the adm refuses to pull the trigger on either capture or kill. This despite the Emperor's constant prattle that he will not rest until the attackers are 'brought to justice '.

And of course I still want it officially disclosed what the mission in Benghazi entailed . The emperor still dances around the fact that the US has been working behind the scenes arming the opposition in Syria.

All I know is the media wet all over themselves over some Bush attorneys getting fired and this doesn't even rouse their curiosity.

Tom you really want another f@up like the Bin Laden extraction, no Libya is a soveriegn nation, leave them alone, either it will bite them or they will deal with it

You have to face it every time you get involved the nuckle draggers make a mess

Hello again:

Well, we're going to get some NEWS this week. Maybe they'll say that Obama and Hillary were THERE, and ordered the bad guys to rape our ambassador.

excon

Or maybe we'll find out that Evita's State Dept hired an AQ affiliate called the' February 17th Martyrs Brigade' ,to provide security at the mission in Benghazi. That it should've been known who they were hiring as the group posted the AQ black flag on its Facebook page.

Maybe we'll find out that same group actually warned the State Dept before Ambassador Stevens trip to Benghazi that they would NOT protect him. Maybe we will find out that that warning was relayed to the regional security officer (RSO).
So what did the AQ affiliated guards do when the attack started ? They threw down their weapons and ran away after telling the attackers where to find the 'safehouse'.

Then maybe if they probe deep enough they will begin to ask :why wasn't there American security at the "special mission" ? No it wasn't sequester... no it wasn't even budget cuts. It was because of the nature of the activities that were operating out of the mission and the CIA annex. They couldn't have US security at the villa because it would have let the cat out of the bag.

Or maybe Stevens ignored warnings and maybe orders and went to Benghazi anyway.

Sounds just as believable as any story you guys have speculated on.

Plausible... we won't know until the incident is properly investigated... no ? Here is one bottom line to me (and this is just one of the many issues that need to be resolved regarding this case ) . Sovereign US territory was attacked and the man who represents the President of the United States assassinated . The adm handed the ball to the Justice Dept as if it was some kind of criminal matter. Meanwhile it has now been confirmed that the government at very least had photos of the attackers ;and chose to not show them to the public until some whistle blowers came out and told the public that not only did they KNOW the identity of the attackers... but they knew where to get them. So then why has the President not authorized a Bin Laden style attack on them ? Or a drone strike ? Even now the FBI is going through the charade of asking help in identifying them.

There must be more to it than just waltzing in and taking out the enemy... at present.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

plausible ...we won't know until the incident is properly investigated ...no ? Here is one bottom line to me (and this is just one of the many issues that need to be resolved regarding this case ) . Sovereign US territory was attacked and the man who represents the President of the United States assassinated . The adm handed the ball to the Justice Dept as if it was some kind of criminal matter. Meanwhile it has now been confirmed that the government at very least had photos of the attackers ;and chose to not show them to the public until some whistle blowers came out and told the public that not only did they KNOW the identity of the attackers .....but they knew where to get them. So then why has the President not authorized a Bin Laden style attack on them ? or a drone strike ? Even now the FBI is going through the charade of asking help in identifying them.

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Tom you have been playing with the facts, that wasn't soveriegn US territory how ever much you might think it was so it wasn't a treaty violation and yes it is a criminal matter but difficult to pursue at distance. I think you might find there will be a strike when and if they get a firm location and a photo isn't identification so park all these strawmen in the garage. Reality Check!

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Originally Posted by paraclete

playing with the facts, that wasn't soveriegn US territory

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See article 22

http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/ins...s/9_1_1961.pdf

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1.The premises of the mission shall be inviolable. The agents of the receiving State may not enter
Them, except with the consent of the head of the mission

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See article 22

http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/ins...s/9_1_1961.pdf
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That treaty applies to permanent diplomatic missions

More answers needed. I have called it a special mission .Others have called it a consulate. Let's leave that unresolved . An attack on an Ambassador is an act of war... Not a matter of a criminal investigation.

We already have a war on terrorist.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

more answers needed. I have called it a special mission .Others have called it a consulate. Let's leave that unresolved . An attack on an Ambassador is an act of war ..... Not a matter of a criminal investigation.

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Tom I have no doubt this act of aggression was part of the War on Terror. If you could identify a state that carried out the attack then you could respond in kind, but failing that, the investigation will require the procedures of a criminal investigation just like any other act of murder, and with the cooperation of various state agencies in Libya to enable the evidence to be gathered and assessed.

I know you would want the matter prosecuted, we all do, because we can't have this sort of thing going on anywhere

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If you could identify a state that carried out the attack then you could respond in kind, but failing that, the investigation will require the procedures of a criminal investigation just like any other act of murder, and with the cooperation of various state agencies in Libya to enable the evidence to be gathered and assessed.

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Libya was a failed state under Q~Daffy. There is no government we can go to for support there now. Nope you are wrong. We did a military strike on Bin Laden in the same neighborhood as the Paki military HQ. These were not "criminals"... they are jihadists waging war against us and we should respond in kind. We tried the criminal investigation method throughout the 1990s as our enemy became ever more emboldened at out weak response. Now we are falling back to the same failed method.
8 months after the attack the FBI is now suddenly interested in getting an id on the attackers... REALLY??

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Libya was a failed state under Q~Daffy. There is no government we can go to for support there now. Nope you are wrong. We did a military strike on Bin Laden in the same neighborhood as the Paki military HQ. These were not "criminals" ....they are jihadists waging war against us and we should respond in kind. We tried the criminal investigation method throughout the 1990s as our enemy became ever more emboldened at out weak response. Now we are falling back to the same failed method.
8 months after the attack the FBI is now suddenly interested in getting an id on the attackers .....REALLY ????

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Tom you are not telling us anything new either you invade Libya or Pakistan or your recognise your reach isn't as long as you would like. Your laws end just off your shores and no one has to respect them beyond that boundary. Investigation takes time and resources and you are not in control however much that hurts that is a fact, whether it was Bin Laden or Benghazi you are not in control, you never were. That is the islamic world and you are tolerated, not respected you need to understand this