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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

How would the people achieve equality otherwise? Would they bring it about on their own, by themselves?

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Equality is brought on by opportunity. If there are openings then someone will fill them. If the goobermint blocks those openings then they are short selling their citizens. So far America has been a land of opportunity. But the future isn't looking so bright with all the goobermint take overs.

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Originally Posted by galveston

If you actually read the book, I don't see how you can say it has no correlation to what has been happening in this country for a very long time.

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You were talking to WG, right? My point is that our current politicians are too short sighted to see the parallel even with hindsight.

WG, I think our definitions of "equality" in a legal context may be a bit different.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

But the future isnt looking so bright with all the goobermint take overs.

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And what has the "goobermint" taken over?

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

WG, I think our definitions of "equality" in a legal context may be a bit different.

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Maybe. Probably not. What's your definition?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Maybe. Probably not. What's your definition?

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Spelling aside (since you didn't mention it), in a legal context equality of opportunity is preferable to the French equality of outcome in my opinion. Statistical "inequality" has not been filtered for meritorious outcomes by the press, politicians, or pundits.

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

Spelling aside (since you didn't mention it), in a legal context equality of opportunity is preferable to the French equality of outcome in my opinion. Statistical "inequality" has not been filtered for meritorious outcomes by the press, politicians, or pundits.

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Equal opportunity, right?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And what has the "goobermint" taken over?

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So far GM and the health industry and Student loans. More is on the way.

Hello dad:

They DIDN'T take over the health industry no matter what FOX says. The insurance industry remains in tact. They're even strengthened under this bill... The banks loaned the money to students and WE (that's YOU & ME taxpayers) guaranteed them. That's a perk the banks DON'T need. You don't think the banks should take a risk??

GM? Ok.

excon

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

So far GM and the health industry and Student loans. More is on the way.

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Thirty-two million new insureds were handed over to the insurance companies. ***ADDED*** The bill’s prototype is the health care legislation Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts. It contains what used to be considered Republican ideas.

What was the FAFSA I filled out for four years for my son in college, 1993-1997?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Equal opportunity, right?

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As long as it's not used as a code word for reverse discrimination, as when they called Affirmative Action a means of providing "equal opportunity."

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

As long as it's not used as a code word for reverse discrimination, as when they called Affirmative Action a means of providing "equal opportunity."

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As long as you give the same pay and benefits to male and female employees who have the same credentials and do the same work.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

As long as you give the same pay and benefits to male and female employees who have the same credentials and do the same work.

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Change that to "achieve the same results" and I'm with you. The measure of how one should be paid is how much they make. A female of a minority background that achieves more profit than a male from the ethnic majority should be paid more than the male, regardless of how much effort was put forth. The converse applies as well.

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

Change that to "achieve the same results" and I'm with you.

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Okay. I'm with you too. If I do better than he does, my raise will be bigger?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Okay. I'm with you too. If I do better than he does, my raise will be bigger?

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Absolutely, unless the EEOC gets involved. Everyone's raises go to the lawyer then.

So you would have disagreed with the school principal who told me at an interview that he would not pay me as much as a male going for the same job, because the male would be a breadwinner, and I wasn't?

WG, I would absolutely.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So you would have disagreed with the school principal who told me at an interview that he would not pay me as much as a male going for the same job, because the male would be a breadwinner, and I wasn't?

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Yep. I know too many working singles, some with families, to let that be a factor. Besides, the thought of being a "kept" man was always intriguing.

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

Yep. I know too many working singles, some with families, to let that be a factor. Besides, the thought of being a "kept" man was always intriguing.

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I was told I (married) didn't "need" the same amount of money as a married man. Even if an unmarried male got the job, he "could" get married along the way and become the breadwinner.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I was told I (married) didn't "need" the same amount of money as a married man. Even if an unmarried male got the job, he "could" get married along the way and become the breadwinner.

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Lawyer time!

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

Lawyer time!

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That was about 500 years ago -- in the '70s. Women didn't really have rights yet.