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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Well Lou is a retired executive on the public speaking circuit and the response to his "public letter" is from a blogger refuting his erroneous points and fear mongering. There's really no media involved here. Personally I watch Fox News for clear unbiased news.

Yet this same man, Ken Mull, who is so quick to defend Obama clearly has a vendetta against anything right-leaning. He writes blogs titled "Four Problems with the Religious Right" and you're willing to accept them at face value.

Personally, I'd much rather read a blog by someone without such a glaringly obvious vendetta. I'd rather someone deliver news to me and have it be just that: news. Not a mud-slinger, not a cover story. I just want the facts.

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Originally Posted by this8384

Personally, I'd much rather read a blog by someone without such a glaringly obvious vendetta.

But yet you're OK with the content of the letter. You don't see an issue there at all?

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Originally Posted by this8384

My issue with that response is that it was clearly written by someone who has something against Republicans. I didn't go deep enough to find out if the guy is a journalist or columnist, but this is the exact reason that media is supposed to be non-biased.

Shame on him and shame on all the others who feel their political stance should be a public affair, whether they support Obama or Bush. Republican or Democrat, personal political views have no place in journalism - as we've all seen over the last century, it's far too easy to start playing favorites and not a single person on this board can honestly state otherwise.

You are kidding right? Written by someone against republicans? Isn't that exactly what is behind your dude? He has something against democrats.

I think it is going to be nearly impossible to totally wipe personal preference out of media.
To report is one thing but to write an editorial is another. So yes, I agree with you there. It is easy to play favorites.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

But yet you're ok with the content of the letter. You don't see an issue there at all?

I said I shared those same views, yet I still asked for them to be disputed. I didn't say that the letter was right and accurate; I stated that I shared the same feelings but I'd like to be proved wrong.

BUT - I want to be proved wrong by fact, not opinion.

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Originally Posted by this8384

I just want the facts.

Hello this:

I don't think you do. You want opinion that measures up with your beliefs. That's what you got with the Pritchett letter. I don't deny the response was based on opinion too.

What? Are you going to tell me that the letter was fact and the response was opinion?? Puuleze!

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello this:

I don't think you do. You want opinion that measures up with your beliefs. That's what you got with the Pritchett letter. I don't deny the response was based on opinion too.

What? Are you gonna tell me that the letter was fact and the response was opinion??? Puuleze!!

excon

Nope, never once said the letter was "fact" nor did I even allude to that. I said I share the same feelings.

You're completely glossing over that I'm asking to be proven wrong. That's all I want. I want a non-biased statement which can be proven with fact.

Instead, I get told what I want to hear, which I find quite insulting. I never have and never will be someone who talks out both sides of their mouth, and I certainly don't want words being placed in my mouth, either.

Ok, we can leave it at this: you share the opinion of the letter and others are of the opinion of the blogger. That seems OK, no?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello gal:

That guy scares ME! He sounds like he's gonna DO something about it. That wouldn't be very American now, would it?

excon

So you're a mind reader already yet?

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Originally Posted by galveston

So you're a mind reader already yet?

Yes, he hears voices in his head that tell him things.

OK.
So what has Obama accomplished so far?

A huge stimulus package that hasn't stimulated.

Billion dollar bail outs and the ship still sinks.

The KNOWN unemployment rate at about 9.5% and rising.

Used Chicago mob tactics to take over private companies.

Apologized to the world for what a sorry country the USA is.

And all in less than 200 days.

Now THESE are all FACTS.

In retrospect, Carter will look good by comparison.

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Originally Posted by galveston

OK.
So what has Obama accomplished so far?

A huge stimulus package that hasn't stimulated.

Billion dollar bail outs and the ship still sinks.

The KNOWN unemployment rate at about 9.5% and rising.

Used Chicago mob tactics to take over private companies.

Apologized to the world for what a sorry country the USA is.

And all in less than 200 days.

Now THESE are all FACTS.

In retrospect, Carter will look good by comparison.

These aren't just facts, these are YOUR PERSPECTIVE that you call facts. You are a glass half empty kind of person aren't you?

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Originally Posted by cozyk

These aren't just facts, these are YOUR PERSPECTIVE that you call facts. You are a glass half empty kind of person aren't you?

So tell us which statements ain't so.

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Originally Posted by galveston

So tell us which statements ain't so.

How about "Chicago mob tactics" - prove that.

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Originally Posted by galveston

OK.
So what has Obama accomplished so far?

A huge stimulus package that hasn't stimulated.

Billion dollar bail outs and the ship still sinks.

The KNOWN unemployment rate at about 9.5% and rising.

Used Chicago mob tactics to take over private companies.

Apologized to the world for what a sorry country the USA is.

And all in less than 200 days.

Now THESE are all FACTS.

In retrospect, Carter will look good by comparison.

Hello again, gal:

The jury is still out on the economic stuff. It really takes about 18 months for stuff to start showing up in the markets, so it's too soon to tell. Like you, I have my doubts.

I think admitting our wrongs isn't apologizing. Pretending that we did no wrong, when we did, ain't fooling anybody but you guys on the right...

What did WE do wrong, prey tell?? This God Blessed country do anything WRONG?? What kind of a liberal pinko must I be to admit this country did something wrong??

Well, for starters, back in the 50's we overthrew the elected leader of Iran and put in our puppet. He was mean to them. They remember. They're not happy about it. You weren't even taught about it. I guess they thought if they didn't teach you about it, it didn't happen. Guess what? The Iranians didn't forget.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Ok, we can leave it at this: you share the opinion of the letter and others are of the opinion of the blogger. That seems ok, no?

No, it's not okay. Because then we're all operating on what we think is the right and good thing, and not on facts and logic.

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Originally Posted by cozyk

These aren't just facts, these are YOUR PERSPECTIVE that you call facts. You are a glass half empty kind of person aren't you?

Then please give us your perspective, Cosyk. What has Obama accomplished.

As for facts:

It is a FACT that when Bush left office in January, the unemployment rate was 7.6%. It is NOW 9.4%, the highest rate of unemployment in more than 25 years. This is despite the FACT that Obama pushed his stimulus bill with the claim that if it didn't pass, we would see rising unemployment. It is a FACT that in January the number of unemployed persons in the USA was 11,616,000. It is NOW 14,511,000. This is a loss of 2,895,000 jobs, despite the PROMISE that Obama's Stimulus Bill would "create or save" 3 million jobs. THESE are facts, and they can be found at the Bureau of Labor Statistics: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

It is a FACT that when Bush left office, the national budget deficit was $458.6 billion. Now, according to the 2010 budget historical data the Year-end 2009 estimated budget deficit is $1.841 TRILLION. That's a 401.4% increase in the budget deficit in only 6 months. These are facts that can be found in the 2010 US National Budget historical tables: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/pdf/hist.pdf

It is a FACT that the national debt at January 31 2009 was $10,617,588,000,000 (That's $10.6 trillion --- principal only). As of TODAY, the national debt is $11,373,451,000 ($11.4 trillion --- principal only), a $756 billion or 7.1% increase in the national debt in less than 6 months. These are FACTS that can be found at the US Treasury's website.

What is "opinion" is the idea that Obama's stimulus bill "saved" 150,000 jobs in May 2009. The FACT is that we lost 350,000 jobs in May.

The point is that the FACTS show Obama to be a complete economic disaster in the 6 short months that he's been in office. It is only OPINION that he's somehow been good as President.

Elliot

Elliot,
Wouldn't the same results happen regardless of who took office after the Bush mess?

Cool?? President?

I think both Bush's, Clinton and Obama have and had their own interest in mind and could give a damn about any of us. Dems can point at Republicans, Republicans can point the finger at Dems but it is still the average american who gets screwed!

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

As for facts

Hello again, El:

I know you guys want immediate satisfaction, but it don't happen that way. I'm not going to argue your facts, because they represent a point in time that isn't germane.

When the government acts to effect the economy, it takes about 18 months for the actions to start showing up. As proof, I ask, if it happened sooner, how come the inflation rate hasn't skyrocketed since the Fed printed zillions and even more zillions of dollars? I'll tell you why, because it hasn't worked it's way through the economy yet. Give it a year from now, and it'll knock your socks off. Buy gold.

excon