I'm really getting dizzy from all the spinning you're doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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I'm really getting dizzy from all the spinning you're doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Imagine how dizzy he must feel WG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
That's what he says and in what logical universe would a guy want to change or repeal an anti bribing law if wasn't going to use it? I'm sure it makes sense to you, but the rest of us wonder what other corrupt ideas he has, oh wait we don't have to wonder, he had to pay back consumers in his school scam, and is barred from any charity organizing, and his main bank is a corrupt Russian money laundering institution.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I.e. you have no real reply that makes sense.Quote:
I'm really getting dizzy from all the spinning you're doing.
Could be, but the fact remains that your allegation was incorrect.Quote:
That's what he says and in what logical universe would a guy want to change or repeal an anti bribing law if wasn't going to use it?
What you had posted made absolutely no sense! Btw....Aren't you watching tRump's campaign speeches? Didn't you see his national address on the coronavirus last night? The man is falling apart!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
“History has proven time and time again, Americans always rise to the challenge and overcome adversity,” With that he accepted the challenge to take on the Wuhan virus . His address was like an FDR fireside chat reassuring America that he understood what was at stake ,letting us know he is committed to victory . Unlike the Dems he called forunity and bipartisanship .Lets see if Madam Mim and the Schmuckster are up to the challenge .
He read what someone else had written. He read off a teleprompter (okay, I can go with that) but sounded like one of my third graders who hadn't taken his reading book home the night before so he could review the story assigned. He has avoided dealing with the virus for weeks and finally has been forced to.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
This is an actual sentence from Trump. It is basically all one sentence. To say he is “scattered” is an understatement. And for any of you stable geniuses out there who think he is misquoted, included is a link to the video from which it was transcribed.
Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the
smartest people anywhere in the world—it's true!—but when you're a
conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that's
why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went
there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my
like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged—but
you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would
have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear
is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the
power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of
what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?),
but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it
used to be three, now it's four—but when it was three and even now, I
would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because,
you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter
right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about
another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c45467...trump-sentence
Unfortunately Athos, that was but one example of the dufus talking in crazy circles and the last three years are full of such public utterances that only a nut can appreciate. The rest of us are disgusted and rightfully so, and that includes his own sycophants.
Athos: How can you not say that what Trump said was nothing but brilliant? Did you see that length of that sentence? That took genius! Try making a sentence that long and that disjointed, I bet you can not do it!
That's what we used to say in jr. high. "Oh yeah! Well, I might not have had much to say, but neither did you, so there!" Nothing specific, but just statements like, "The man is falling apart!" It would be much better for all the fanatical libs to just admit that they hate Trump and will never approve of anything he does. For me, the economy is doing well and he stands up for the right of unborn children to live. Those two items alone give me reason for hope.Quote:
What you had posted made absolutely no sense! Btw....Aren't you watching tRump's campaign speeches? Didn't you see his national address on the coronavirus last night? The man is falling apart!
Trump's delivery needs work . Maybe he should practice with a speech coach like every other politician does . I compare it to FDR fireside chats . Remove some of the great ones that everyone remembers like 'Nothing to Fear but fear itself' or his Arsenal of Democracy address ;the content of Trump's address was right up there . Like I said ;he in not as comfortable in his delivery as JFK ,Nixon ,Reagan ,Bubba or the emperor .But it was better than a Ford ,Jimmy C or either of the Bush Presidents .Not terrible for a President who has only made one other short address from the Oval Office .
The temporary halting air travel from Europe was prudent given the increases in the rates of infection in Europe over the last week . With that and the China travel ban the spigot has been closed for possible places of new cases . Now we have to address the cases from sources already in the country . And in that issue ;the US has been better than most countries . We will not come close to having rates of infection like the Europeans or Chinese . So the Dems can play politics all they want to with this outbreak. The country will not buy their argument.
He would have to accept advice for that to work. Oh well.Quote:
Trump's delivery needs work . Maybe he should practice with a speech coach like every other politician does .
I'm convinced the dems are genuinely hoping this epidemic gets bad enough that it will work in their political favor.Quote:
So the Dems can play politics all they want to with this outbreak. The country will not buy their argument.
This is the lunacy which has infected our country much more seriously than any virus. It's the idea that we will just "give" money to people. This is in a period of time when we are already running a trillion dollar deficit annually and have historically low unemployment figures meaning that anyone who wants a job (and is willing to actually work) can get a job, or two jobs, or three jobs. And it comes from a guy who could very easily go out and give a thousand dollars to the next thousand adults he runs into and never miss it which means, of course, that he is the typical liberal democrat.
But if "giving" people money is a good idea, then why not go for two thousand, or ten thousand, or fifty thousand? If it's that simple, then why stop at a thousand?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/gerald...avirus-economy
That's a great question, why not send me a few grand cash? 10 grand? I deserve it! Rich guys got millions off the credit card!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No you don't. You don't deserve one plug nickel of anyone else's money. Rich guys? The ones that pay more than 85% of the income taxes? Those rich guys?Quote:
10 grand? I deserve it!
Those rich guys got their piece of the pie, and I deserve mine too. Screw what you're talking about. No surprise I summarily dismiss your opinion as irrelevant to me.
You can do the same if that's what you want...like I care!
Then get off you bxtt and go get it. No one's stopping you, but don't expect the government to borrow even more money and "give" some to you just because you think you deserve it. You don't deserve anything more than what you have. If you want more, then go work for it.Quote:
Those rich guys got their piece of the pie, and I deserve mine too.
But tal (or even JL!) has given to the government for years. If he now needs financial help, I won't begrudge it. We're all in this together.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You won't begrudge it as long as the government forces someone other than you to give it. Now that's not exactly how charity is supposed to work. He deserves it? No he doesn't, and neither do you or I. We do not "deserve" for the government to force others to give us money.Quote:
If he now needs financial help, I won't begrudge it.
why are you worried about government largess? noone else is, is it coming out of your pocket? until you elect someone who is more interested in balancing the budget and reducing the deficit than lining their pockets it is all hot air
No body wants to balance the budget. Clinton did it and he cut deeply into the military to do it, and since then nobody wants to do that. The repub way is cut stuff that helps citizens, but even they recognize that's not enough, and raising taxes is out of the question, so one wonders why conservatives even bother with that balance budget bull crap?
Sell T-Bonds and shut the heck up already with that balanced budget crap.
It will be someday. No nation can long survive on borrowed money. At some point inflation will go up (it always does) and when the interest on that borrowed money becomes unsustainable, we are going to have big problems. So I'll work hard to protect the futures of my children and grandchild.Quote:
why are you worried about government largess? noone else is, is it coming out of your pocket?
Welfare reform was passed under Clinton and that helped in curbing spending and achieving a balanced budget. Learn your history. Besides, even if we cut ALL military spending, we would still have a 400 billion dollar deficit. So it's obvious to anyone interested in thinking even a little that cutting defense spending by itself won't even come close to balancing the budget. The problem is that we have become a lazy, stupid, careless nation and we basically don't care about tomorrow as long as we have our Little Debbie snack cakes for today. When someone who actually suggests that we "give" every adult a thousand dollars is still taken seriously, then you know we have gone over the edge. Fifty years ago he would have been denounced on all sides as a reckless, ignorant buffoon, but now he is actually listened to.Quote:
No body wants to balance the budget. Clinton did it and he cut deeply into the military to do it,
"Don't exercise any restraint or self-discipline. Step on the gas! Let's go over the cliff as fast as possible!"Quote:
Sell T-Bonds and shut the heck up already with that balanced budget crap.
You speak of government debts, but just as dangerous to the financial system is personal debts, and corporate debts. More dangerous is lack of access to capital which everybody faces during any economic expansion or EMERGENCIES. Maybe you should educate yourself on the bond market that extends beyond T-bills and affects liquidity in many ways be you a government, corporation, or individual. Individuals spending supports our economy making up roughly 70%, so despite the tax support of the rich for government revenues, the country relies on people for support. Just something to think about when you distribute MO'MONEY to rich folks and none to PO folks. Excluding half the population from the economy is a plan that hurts economic health and stymies growth and promotes DEBT any way you look at it.
How one can expect to win a race on one leg is beyond me, or make a better world built on rich guys is even more bizarre.
Consider if you will the cost shifting from the feds to the states in administering welfare and apply it to foregoing the bureaucracy of the federal welfare system and just write a free check from treasury to the states. In addition consider the great Clinton economy which started with raising taxes on mainly those rich guys which conservatives are prone to overlook, and the added benefit of NO wars sucking money up like a sponge. It worked great then, but current events call for a whole different approach and given those current events, new adjustments must be made since raising taxes is off the table, wars and conflicts run rampant, and diseases are on the front page making the economy a very fragile thing indeed.Quote:
Welfare reform was passed under Clinton and that helped in curbing spending and achieving a balanced budget. Learn your history. Besides, even if we cut ALL military spending, we would still have a 400 billion dollar deficit. So it's obvious to anyone interested in thinking even a little that cutting defense spending by itself won't even come close to balancing the budget. The problem is that we have become a lazy, stupid, careless nation and we basically don't care about tomorrow as long as we have our Little Debbie snack cakes for today. When someone who actually suggests that we "give" every adult a thousand dollars is still taken seriously, then you know we have gone over the edge. Fifty years ago he would have been denounced on all sides as a reckless, ignorant buffoon, but now he is actually listened to.
Write the damn check bud, or do you think all those low end wage earners can be unemployed by an economic shutdown due to disease and be okay until we recover?
Many words...no real content.Quote:
You speak of government debts, but just as dangerous to the financial system is personal debts, and corporate debts. More dangerous is lack of access to capital which everybody faces during any economic expansion or EMERGENCIES. Maybe you should educate yourself on the bond market that extends beyond T-bills and affects liquidity in many ways be you a government, corporation, or individual. Individuals spending supports our economy making up roughly 70%, so despite the tax support of the rich for government revenues, the country relies on people for support. Just something to think about when you distribute MO'MONEY to rich folks and none to PO folks. Excluding half the population from the economy is a plan that hurts economic health and stymies growth and promotes DEBT any way you look at it.
That's the whole problem. No one's writing a check. It's all borrowed money. How many of those "low end wage earners" are you personally helping? How many of them are you willing to cut back your lifestyle for so you can have funds to help them? I think I know the answers to those questions.Quote:
Write the damn check bud, or do you think all those low end wage earners can be unemployed by an economic shutdown due to disease and be okay until we recover?
Look my friend I'm in no mood to throw rocks at you for your obvious lack of the macro economic factors that make up the economy, nor explain to you the social costs of those factors of which I speak. I'll just leave that alone until your comprehension can grow more clear and nuances are understood. Until then we just deal with it the best we can...okay.
Sorry I meant to say throw boulders at your hard head but I guess I did chunk a rock or two your way but the intransigence of your position leaves me little choice sometimes. I was raised to believe that if you didn't understand something to ask questions, but you seldom do, choosing instead to revert to snark and insult (Rock throwing) to demean the points for whatever reason you disagree with.
The very notion of balancing a budget, or solving a problem is just beyond the pale. How many have I helped, don't know lost count a very long time ago, and just help as I can especially if they ask. I can't just say no and walk away. If you wish to judge me for how many notches on my belt, or awards, and acclaim then so be it, since I have none of those things, nor do I accept them.
No no. Go ahead and explain to us all those "macro economic" factors that make up the economy. Tell us all about it.Quote:
Look my friend I'm in no mood to throw rocks at you for your obvious lack of the macro economic factors that make up the economy, nor explain to you the social costs of those factors of which I speak. I'll just leave that alone until your comprehension can grow more clear and nuances are understood. Until then we just deal with it the best we can...okay.
What? It might be to you, but the rest of us certainly understand the concept of balancing a budget or solving a problem.Quote:
The very notion of balancing a budget, or solving a problem is just beyond the pale.
Do your own homework at your own pace, then we can discuss it. Let me clarify my mistatement though, "Balancing the budget, or solving a problem on the backs of the least and needy is beyond the pale!'.
My bad.
I will leave you with this bone to chew on though.
AND
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wh...ode-2019-03-20
You'll be happy to know I have already done my homework, so we can discuss it now. As a start, explain the impact of a 23 trillion dollar national debt on our economy.Quote:
Do your own homework at your own pace, then we can discuss it.
You think the least and needy have problems now? You just wait and see their situation once the "Talaniman budget plan of borrow and spend" works its way out. Go check out Venezuela to see the disaster that results from such foolishness. Check out Greece. Check out South Africa and Zimbabwe.Quote:
Let me clarify my mistatement though, "Balancing the budget, or solving a problem on the backs of the least and needy is beyond the pale!'.
Government debt is but one leg of the economic stool, but managing that debt is the far more important part of it. More debt means bigger payments for sure even at the low interest rates. Governments ability to help the economy in a recession is severely compromised though even with the tools to mitigate those losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That's not my plan, just your misguided perception, as you know darn well I have said repeatedly repub deficit funded tax cuts are a HUGE mistake and no doubt will bite us. I added another link to my previous post as those predictions from a year or two ago are coming home to roost possibly sooner and heavier than we thought because of this very real health crisis.Quote:
You think the least and needy have problems now? You just wait and see their situation once the "Talaniman budget plan of borrow and spend" works its way out. Go check out Venezuela to see the disaster that results from such foolishness. Check out Greece. Check out South Africa and Zimbabwe.
Borrow and spend isn't a bad thing, but the way it's managed is what's important JL, and lets face it our managers are totally incompetent, and corporate managers are greedy beyond sin. Actually I'm grateful for the discussion of this matter, and respect your perspective even if I don't always agree with it, or your rationale for your position.
Homework NEVER stops my friend, at least in my own experience.
And you know darn well that's not true. The tax cut amounts to about 200 bil a year. The deficit is 1,000 bil. Those tax cuts did not cause this deficit. In fact, fed tax revenues have continued to rise.Quote:
darn well I have said repeatedly repub deficit funded tax cuts
What do you mean when you say, "our managers are totally incompetent"? Which managers?Quote:
Borrow and spend isn't a bad thing, but the way it's managed is what's important JL, and lets face it our managers are totally incompetent, and corporate managers are greedy beyond sin.
Corporate managers of course want to increase profit. That's why they run the business.
Use your logic, this tax cut added to an already high debt, didn't it, accumulated over years and many administrations for whatever the reason. While revenues are up now, mostly because the economy is good, and low unemployment, and all is well, this health crisis is definitely a contractionary force, exacerbated by trade wars, oil wars, and CORPORATE DEBTS, exposing weaknesses in the economy that cannot be mitigated with just lowering already low interest rates, that you cannot just cut your way out of. Simply put the reduced revenues globally, and nationally from interrupted economic activity doesn't bode well for the debt of which even after tax cuts will destroy those revenue streams already established, and back to the bank we go for MO'Money, more debt. As you said we cannot tax our way out of it, nor can we cut our way out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Letting corporations through lobbyist, write your regulations and laws that benefit them is a sign of incompetence.Quote:
What do you mean when you say, "our managers are totally incompetent"? Which managers?
You read the links(?), you think selling junk bonds to raise capital for investment is a good idea? you learned nothing from past bubbles when the burst did you?Quote:
Corporate managers of course want to increase profit. That's why they run the business.
You were actually doing fairly well until you let your prejudices show through in talking about corporate debt. Specifically, which corporate debts are you talking about?Quote:
Use your logic, this tax cut added to an already high debt, didn't it, accumulated over years and many administrations for whatever the reason. While revenues are up now, mostly because the economy is good, and low unemployment, and all is well, this health crisis is definitely a contractionary force, exacerbated by trade wars, oil wars, and CORPORATE DEBTS,
If that was true, then it would be a good argument for you.Quote:
Letting corporations through lobbyist, write your regulations and laws that benefit them is a sign of incompetence.
Which bubbles are you referring to which were destroyed by junk bonds?Quote:
You read the links(?), you think selling junk bonds to raise capital for investment is a good idea? you learned nothing from past bubbles when the burst did you?
absolutely !!! and we can thank Michael Milken for the creation of the junk bond ;a bigger contribution to banking than the ATM .Quote:
you think selling junk bonds to raise capital for investment is a good idea?
AMC Entertainment, Bally's Manufacturing, Barnes & Noble, Beatrice, Caesars World, Calvin Klein, Chiquita Brands Int'l, Danaher, Duracell, Filene's Basement, GAF Corp., General Host Corp., Kay Jewelers, Knoll Int'l, MCI, Mellon Bank, Philadelphia Electric, Playtex, Sunshine Mining KB Homes,Viacom, Time Warner, Cablevision, Telemundo , Metromedia Toys-R-Us, Mattel, Hasbro Hilton, Days Inn, Holiday Inn, MGM s: 7-11 (Southland Corp.) Circle K. Medco and Humana ,Uniroyal Goodrich.….these are just some of the companies financed by Michael Milken .
Safeway is a company with 200,000 employees in almost 1,800 stores Those employees can thank Milken for helping build the company that provides their paychecks. His financing was crucial to ChryslerCellphones are in just about everyone's pocket today. The industry started in the early 1980s when Milken financed a small company called McCaw Cellular Communications.
They put him away on some BS insider trading change that no one understands .Instead of having a statue of him ,he served 2 years in jail.Since his release from prison, Milken has funded medical research.Trump recently pardoned him .
You tell me how new start up companies can get seed money to challenge the giants of their industry ......junk bonds baby !!! When Ted Turner had this crazy idea to show news on television 24-7 .How was that financed ?
Well there is no arguing with conservative logic that Mo'Money is okay no matter who gets screwed. Bilk a bunch of folks out of millions go to jail and be a hero unjustly prosecuted by Guiliani no less. I guess we should have left Berie Maddoff alone too. We know how this goes with those smart rich guys, when the economy is great they have all sorts of tricks and traps but when the economy contracts which it has been known to everything goes south and who gets holding the bag? Yup! everybody but the rich guy. Cry me a river about white collar criminals that get caught, slapped on the wrist, and keep on trucking.
We forget about all the little guys who get laid off when the business cycle adjusts to economic situations like the current health crisis trade wars and oil wars. Glitches to them and who cares about the little guys at the low end who lose it all.
Conservatives don't! The funny part is rich guys get all kinds of help from our government in loans and subsidies but a poor guy can barely feed his family and gets labeled a dependent of liberal programs that's a waste. Corporate welfare good, Government welfare bad!
Of course we never discuss the unintended consequences of rich guy behavior until they tank the economy. Conservatives rail against the poor everyday, all the time.
you would have us in a world where the only news source was NPR
Really? Tell us when that has happened.Quote:
Conservatives rail against the poor everyday, all the time.
What part of everyday is it you don't understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Be specific..if you can.Quote:
What part of everyday is it you don't understand?
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See how easy it is to ignore your utterly ridicules question?
You know, all this Coronavirus crap wouldn't be happening today if not for the back and forth transit of communist Chinese and people coming and going to Red China: The price of doing business with these bastards? Financing the growth of the enemy.
Maybe OUR greedy bastard U.S. companies that chased communist slave labor to Red China will rethink their supply chains.....but I bet their greed won't let them.
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