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Everybody has an agenda and profit is a great motivation for that agenda.
Do you apply that equally to your side?Quote:
Everybody has an agenda and profit is a great motivation for that agenda.
I said everybody!
You don't like someone who has a reasoned argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Not a matter of like, Clete but how much weight you give one guys opinion. Getting paid to say stuff isn't that endearing in my mind.
I say the same sort of stuff and I am not paid for it, thing is; climate change and CO2 being responsible for it is just opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The response to the fires is; we are on fire act now, as if announcing a new CO2 target would immediately make a difference. But the fact is no level of action in this nation will make any difference to the incidence of fire, or climate change in general. CO2 emissions are a northern hemisphere problem, if they are a problem at all, any contribution we make to emissions is very small. Fires happen, it is cyclical, and this time round; idiot attempts to control fire with backburning on a windy day has had a predictable outcome, fire jumping containment and loss of houses, small towns, important environmental gardens. My prayer is please preserve us from well meaning actions
Unfortunately Clete hard to make policy in the midst of crisis when dealing with the crisis is the priority. No doubt there will be many lessons to learn after it's over whenever that is but obviously whatever measures you had in place before were inadequate to prevent this crisis. I say the same thing about our own meager efforts after going through many years of many crisises.
As I said Tal it is cyclical and known to be an eleven year cycle so our efforts will remain meagre because you cannot have resources standing around for long periods. I don't know why the military have not been committed to help. anyway more smoke, this is not a healthy place to beQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Waiting for the rain or the fires to burn themselves out is the hard part. We do it every year. Hope JL dodged those tornados tearing up the south.
Yes, Tal no rain in sight, visibility down to 100 metres this morning, very bad situation with deaths and many more buildings lost. I had to turn off the AC last night to stop it sucking smoke in. I think if the British had known 250 years ago what we know now they may not have colonised this placeQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yeah they still would have exiled folks thar, and anybody else who wanted to go.
that is what happened, this was the eighteenth century equivalent of MarsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You could go back to where you came from and corrected your past mistakes.
My people came from Ireland as free settlersQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So? What's your point? Can't go back or something?
Nothing to go back to, I'm sixth generation and 77, it is all long ago and my history is here, not rooted in the battles of a millenium and religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If I go to those places they are not home, I've been to Europe, etc as the say, see the pyramids along the Nile, etc and my observation is there is no better place than here. Even with the threats posed by climate etc, this is a good place, not beset by the issue others face
"No place like home," they say. I'm 2nd generation Irish - Clare, Cork, and Kerry in the Southwest. All the old ones are gone - along with their brogues and lyrical way of expresssion. A great people.
Yes indeed, my people left Antrim in 1822Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Guess you ain't going back then and why should you? This seems like a temporary condition even if only Mother Nature will know when it's over. Be safe.
I pray it is temporary, the fires are within 50 km I had hoped they were moving in the other direction but it seems not, the roads are closed to the east and the smoke is back after a brief respite yesterday, it rolls in like a fog
What makes it worse is the loonies are raving about climate change and there have been worse climate events over the last century.
I feel ya! I feel the same when a loony hollers about his rights after many die in a mass shooting.
No comparison Tal, no man with a gun destroyed 800 homes and 1 million acres although he might have killed the same number of people. I cannot understand this american obsession with the gun either, or the obsession with gun rights but then your ethos is different to ours, our nation wasn't forged with the gun
Come on Clete, your people didn't beat the aboriginis into submission with rocks and clubs.
It is debatable how many there were and many died of disease, no immunity to things like small pox, and other european iiseases. Yes, there were a couple of small wars, but spears don't work against guns and horses. Don't think of our indigenous as highly organised or settled like your own. Our settlers thought of the indigenous as part of the fauna, and honestly, I think the kangaroos are capable of putting up more fight. The abo's were raiders, after food, not victories, when they did attack settlers they had no concept of fighting from cover. A rifle has greater range than a spear so a few troops and determined land holders quickly overran them. Our dangerous animals didn't need a gun, just a stickQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Where ever Euros go they kill just by breathing on the population, and those noisey sticks quell the rest. Easy pickings for the noble conquerors.
Not suggesting those who came here were noble, you wouldn't find a british noble that far from home, not after Cornwallis got his nose bloodied, it took a while before they ventured into the colonies again
Exactly correct.Quote:
but spears don't work against guns
Ok Buudy what can you hit with a spear at a hundred yards or even fifty
That's kind of the point. When faced with a gun, I need a gun to defend myself. Lessor weapons just won't do.Quote:
Ok Buudy what can you hit with a spear at a hundred yards or even fifty
That's what comes of letting people have guns
Like criminals?Quote:
That's what comes of letting people have guns
No, like my NRA husband who nearly shot our neighborlady for coming over after dark to borrow some eggs for a cookie recipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Didn't you learn anything from those old westerns when you were a kid? A bad gun with a gun never announces himself preferring the ambush to any rules of honor and fair play. So good luck protecting yourself when they get the drop on you, and take all your guns money or whatever else they want!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Heaven forbid you make a mistake and kill somebody because you feel threatened and find out the neighbors kid was just selling prom tickets. I thought you of all people trusted God, his will and judgement. I guess you think you need a back up?
I guess you guys and the gun things evolved after you conquered the land you now own.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Sure do as the criminal does with your good intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So now you want to formulate policy based on old Western movies? Go for it if you want to, but I won't be with you on that one. People use guns in self defense dozens of times every day. I'll bet you have one. I'll bet you have more than one,Quote:
Didn't you learn anything from those old westerns when you were a kid? A bad gun with a gun never announces himself preferring the ambush to any rules of honor and fair play. So good luck protecting yourself when they get the drop on you, and take all your guns money or whatever else they want!
I'm very careful when I handle a gun. Trusting God? Yeah, I trust God and own a gun just like I trust in God and lock my doors at night and don't drive down certain streets at night. Trusting God doesn't mean you go out and behave stupidly.Quote:
Heaven forbid you make a mistake and kill somebody because you feel threatened and find out the neighbors kid was just selling prom tickets. I thought you of all people trusted God, his will and judgement. I guess you think you need a back up?
Never allowed a gun in my house EVER! If I wanted one I would have one in short order though. Doesn't mean we don't enjoy the target range though.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I could tell you stories of my youth, and like the old westerns many lessons learned. Nothing to do with making gun policy, but does influence my own personal policy, words, and actions. I try to just keep learning more. Maybe one day we can have a logical gun policy without the fear.Quote:
I'm very careful when I handle a gun. Trusting God? Yeah, I trust God and own a gun just like I trust in God and lock my doors at night and don't drive down certain streets at night. Trusting God doesn't mean you go out and behave stupidly.
Fair enough statement.Quote:
I could tell you stories of my youth, and like the old westerns many lessons learned. Nothing to do with making gun policy, but does influence my own personal policy, words, and actions. I try to just keep learning more. Maybe one day we can have a logical gun policy without the fear.
Same goes for this climate change stuff!
I am convinced that changing the CO2 content of the atmosphere is a lousy idea, but as to a solution, I don't see one. The Green New Deal is the dumbest idea out there.
Not the dumbest. Doing nothing is much dumber.
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