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you either get it or reject it. faith is a gift, and without it, the message is lost
True. Unless the Holy Spirit opens a person's eyes, they do not see it.
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you either get it or reject it. faith is a gift, and without it, the message is lost
True. Unless the Holy Spirit opens a person's eyes, they do not see it.
So it's the Holy Spirit's fault for not opening a person's eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Now I know you get nervous when I quote the Bible. You will call me a fundy, accuse me of cherry-picking and using proof texts, but at any rate, "with their ears they scarcely hear, and they have closed their eyes."Quote:
‘Go to this people and say,
“[s]You will keep on hearing, [t]but will not understand;
And [u]you will keep on seeing, but will not perceive;
27 For the heart of this people has become dull,
And with their ears they scarcely hear,
And they have closed their eyes;
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart and return,
And I would heal them.”’
You could also look at the words of Christ in John 16. "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8“And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment"
Might want to look at this as well from Acts 26.
rescuing you from the Jewish people and from the Gentiles, to whom I am sending you, 18to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.’
Or this from Acts 16. "14 A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; [f]and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul."
What if the Lord hadn't opened their eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What if the Lord hadn't opened her heart?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Then they can't see.Quote:
What if the Lord hadn't opened their eyes?
Then she would not have been able to seeQuote:
What if the Lord hadn't opened her heart?
How do you think it works? Any scripture to back up your position would be nice. It would also be nice if you would actually answer this question.
So then it's God's fault, not the person's. God has therefore condemned that person for some reason, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I should answer this? I'm being devil's advocate for YOU.
Oh well. It was just too much to hope for.Quote:
How do you think it works? Any scripture to back up your position would be nice. It would also be nice if you would actually answer this question.
Answer WHAT question? You're the one who needs to explain what you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
How do you think it works?Quote:
Answer WHAT question?
How 'bout this:Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Men choose the darkness and their condemnation lies in that very fact…. They refuse to be shaken out of their comfortable sinfulness. John 3:19 -- Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil.
We condemn ourselves.
I can go along with that. It is only the mercy of God that allows anyone to be saved.Quote:
Men choose the darkness and their condemnation lies in that very fact…. They refuse to be shaken out of their comfortable sinfulness. John 3:19 -- Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil.
We condemn ourselves.
"I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord, or come to Him; but the Holy Spirit has called me by the Gospel, enlightened me with His gifts, sanctified and kept me in the true faith."Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Well said. Apostle's creed response?Quote:
"I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord, or come to Him; but the Holy Spirit has called me by the Gospel, enlightened me with His gifts, sanctified and kept me in the true faith."
Martin Luther, my birthday buddy. His explanation in his Small Catechism to the Third Article of the Apostles' Creed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
W.G. & jlisenbe: Ya'll's knowledge of the Bible and passages therein is very impressive....regardless of whether or not you agree with each other.
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For final discussion on this Matthew 25 matter, see Religious Discussions in Member Discusssions.
I note that a Fed DA appointed by the emperor has absolved the Clintoon Foundation of all wrong doing . So I guess that should be included in the "nothing to see here ....move on " category .
Who absolved them?
Deep Stater Jeff Sessions appointed John Huber (the emperor appointed him in 2015) ;DA from Utah to investigate the Clintoon Foundation and Uranium One ;largely to mollify conservative critics . .Huber had offered his resignation when Trump requested it . But Sessions appointed him as an interim U.S. Attorney .Then he was assigned the Clintoon Foundation investigation .
The investigation was conducted largely in secret .Likely witnesses have said they were not contacted. Trump should've dismissed Huber when Sessions was dumped ;and Barr should've assigned a special prosecutor to the case .But that didn't happen.
Victoria Toensing is a former Justice Dept prosecutor and now lawyer for one of the witnesses ,Doug Cambell , an FBI informant who says he has evidence that Evita helped a Russian company obtain U.S. uranium rights in exchange for large donations to the foundation . She says that Huber never contacted her or her client .
Huber basically centered his investigation in Little Rock where the Clintoons are effectively insulated .
Last month it was announced that he found nothing there and was wrapping up the investigation .The Washington Compost reported it . But otherwise the media ignored the news .
It is my hope that Barr gives the case to Horowitz .
Wonder why Barr hasn't jumped into that like he jumps into everything else the Dufus wants him to. After being convicted in a court of law, he has overturned the sentencing recommendation of the DOJ prosecutors to get less time for his boy Roger Stone (And Flynn). Of course the procecutors just quit!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp
The fix is in AGAIN, for dufus sycophants. Pardons anyone?
Pardon for Flynn? Absolutely yes.
Why are you wanting Roger Stone penalized in any way? He did nothing criminal: If you haven't figured it out, the FBI has gotten WAY TOO BIG FOR THEIR BRITCHES and out of control: THEY THINK THEY MAKE LAWS! They don't! This B.S. of entrapment is exactly what it is: B.S.! Roger Stone is "figment" of the stupid arse Mueller Investigation and should not be given a minute of time in any incarceration. The left is looking for their "POUND OF FLESH" and think they can get it from Flynn and Roger Stone: DOJ, Barr, and Trump should step in and deny this immediately.
I thought that was a given for all the dufus criminal butt boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So the jury that convicted this slime bag, and that plea deal dirt bag got it wrong? Or is this just a double standard for white collar guys do stuff for a rich guy? How about international spy criminal Manafort too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
good the recommendations were excessive . How much time does Congress get for lying to us ? How much time did Brennan get after he admitted lying to Congress. How much time did Clapper get ? These prosecutors were part of the Mueller goon squad that raided Stone's house like they were going after a cartel capo .Quote:
overturned the sentencing recommendation of the DOJ prosecutors to get less time for his boy Roger Stone
Yeah we can't have a rich white guy doing a perp walk can we, or going to jail, or getting booted from his job. It's illegal to write a law for it but we see another standard for the rich and well off don't we? Besides swat squads are for low level locals so talk to Barr about Clapper or any of those other guys. I'm sure he will get around to them. He's too busy with Comey and those dudes.
I love it when repubs get support from conservatives for their white collar criminals. Especially the convicted ones. The right wing fix is IN, and we can all see it.
Always has to be about race for liberal dems.Quote:
Yeah we can't have a rich white guy doing a perp walk can we, or going to jail,
A minority liberal dem and yes it is and address it constructively. Imagine 250 years of slavery and 150 years of Jim Crow crap and you would be a bit worried about race too, if that crap was still going on! That rug you sweep stuff under must be overflowing by now.
Because we advocate for justice for a white man is no more race based than your liking Obama. It just is what it is. I would vote for Dr. Carson and you would vote for Sanders. Has nothing to do with race. I will say it again. The greatest threat to the well being of black people in America is not the behavior of white people, it is the behavior of black people.
Typical white man response to let you off the hook and stoke your own conscious. Naw couldn't be the 400 years of butt kicking that was handed out or the years since of racist tricks and traps that are being ignored. Not you personally JL, you got no more power than a minority, but stoking divion betweeen the races financially benefits somebody and parroting the party line just insures those benefits.
As I remember it from historical data the overseer was a prestigious position on the massa's plantation and still is on America's plantation. If you think that's not what the dufus is doing you must be BLIND, but you picked your own poison.
So if I referred to this as a typical black man response, would I be right? I don't think I would be. I think it would be a racially prejudiced statement just like your "typical white man response" statement was.Quote:
Typical white man response to let you off the hook and stoke your own conscious. Naw couldn't be the 400 years of butt kicking that was handed out or the years since of racist tricks and traps that are being ignored. Not you personally JL, you got no more power than a minority, but stoking divion betweeen the races financially benefits somebody and parroting the party line just insures those benefits.
Comparing Trump to the a slave owner's overseer is lunacy.Quote:
As I remember it from historical data the overseer was a prestigious position on the massa's plantation and still is on America's plantation. If you think that's not what the dufus is doing you must be BLIND, but you picked your own poison.
Rich White guys like Bubba and Quid Pro Joe ?Quote:
Yeah we can't have a rich white guy doing a perp walk can we, or going to jail, or getting booted from his job. It's illegal to write a law for it but we see another standard for the rich and well off don't we?
Now Tom, you know it's only the rich CONSERVATIVE white guys that are being referred to.
Probably, but my historic perspective is much different than yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I would have compared him to the massa, matter of fact I will. Thanks for the input.Quote:
Comparing Trump to the a slave owner's overseer is lunacy.
The only thing wrong with them on the lists is repubs tried their darnedest to make that happen relentlessly for decades, with impeachment and mudslinging. To some extent you succeeded since Clinton was impeached and convicted of a count and paid consequences and HC ain't the president.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Like Tom, you can name your own nominee for that glorious list. since he took the Clintons, what's yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Why would that not be the democrat party?Quote:
I would have compared him to the massa,
My nominee? Hillary Clinton.
Why not the repub party, and HC was taken already. I think it's possible though for someone to be pulling the dufus strings (Putin maybe?), while he cracks the whip on repub politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
90% of blacks do not vote repub. They vote dem. Their votes have become regarded as the property of the dem party. Now 2020 might very well begin to shake that ownership.
I think Blacks are ready to leave the fabled "LIBERAL PLANTATION" where they have been enslaved since the times of "The Great Society"!
No. That's where they escaped to when repubs started cutting their lifelines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
complete exoneration yes and he is due damages . Lesser cases have been thrown out of court for prosecutorial excess and abuse. The only thing they did not do to extract confession was to yank out his fingernails .Quote:
Pardon for Flynn? Absolutely yes.
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