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  • Jul 30, 2019, 04:21 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Starting a little over two years ago. Silent before then when all kinds of lying was going on.

    TDS.

    I don't like the guy. I'd rather have someone else, but I hope I can have some sort of consistency in the kind of ethics I expect from a pres. He's done nothing, in my view, that has risen to the level of HC and her amateur email server being used for national security transmissions, and then being professionally wiped clean along with her dozen or so cell phones being destroyed by hammer blows.

    Stop holding your nose and see what the dufus has done with his life...ALL his life and what he is doing now, pretty much the same stuff. You said the knife cuts both ways, then consider your own TDS as well. Also consider his southern strategy on steroids modeled by that other repub crook!

    LOL, Tom, the dufus pay to play charities were a straight up scam! Not me saying it, but a judge banned the whole family for life.
  • Jul 30, 2019, 04:39 PM
    jlisenbe
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    Stop holding your nose and see what the dufus has done with his life...ALL his life and what he is doing now, pretty much the same stuff.
    Yep. He has been a financial success all his life, and now our economy is a reflection of that. Well said!
  • Jul 30, 2019, 05:24 PM
    tomder55
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    LOL, Tom, the dufus pay to play charities were a straight up scam! Not me saying it, but a judge banned the whole family for life.

    https://www.documentarystorm.com/clinton-cash
  • Jul 30, 2019, 06:37 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Yep. He has been a financial success all his life, and now our economy is a reflection of that. Well said!

    And that's his moral compass.
  • Jul 30, 2019, 06:49 PM
    jlisenbe
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    And that's his moral compass.
    And what moral compass do you suppose Hillary uses? AOC? Warren? Pelosi? Rev. Sanders?
  • Jul 30, 2019, 07:10 PM
    Athos
    You guys kill me. You have the worst person in US history as the president of the country and all you can find to do is harp on Hillary Clinton's emails and promote the "financial success" of the dufus, a person whose tweets you claim to be against and yet you keep supporting the clown. My dislike of Trump is nothing compared to your unbridled hatred of Hillary Clinton who hasn't been on the world stage for years now, yet you can't let go of your obesssion.

    As for his "financial success", he took a huge inheritance and managed to get a lower return than if he had just let it ride in the market. His only success was as a TV celebrity - a role he continues to play.

    Christians shouldn't tag along with the devil. Some of the evil is going to rub off on you.
  • Jul 30, 2019, 07:31 PM
    jlisenbe
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    You guys kill me. You have the worst person in US history as the president of the country and all you can find to do is harp on Hillary Clinton's emails and promote the "financial success" of the dufus, a person whose tweets you claim to be against and yet you keep supporting the clown. My dislike of Trump is nothing compared to your unbridled hatred of Hillary Clinton who hasn't been on the world stage for years now, yet you can't let go of your obesssion.
    Oh please. You speak in the most hateful terms about Trump, and you think you have possession of the moral high ground? Hardly. If you liberal dems want to complain, try nominating someone who has character superior to Trump. HC was not that person. The only thing she had going for her was her gender and the perception it was time to have a female pres. She had no accomplishments and no character.

    As to Trump's financial success, he took about 10 mil from his dad and increased it more than a hundred fold. When you have done even a tenth of that, get back with us.

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    As for his "financial success", he took a huge inheritance and managed to get a lower return than if he had just let it ride in the market. His only success was as a TV celebrity - a role he continues to play.
  • Jul 31, 2019, 04:38 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Oh please. You speak in the most hateful terms about Trump,

    Nothing comes close to your hatred of Hillary that you've been nursing for 20-30 years.

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    and you think you have possession of the moral high ground?
    A flea has a higher moral ground than Trump.

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    Hardly. Try nominating someone who has character superior to Trump. HC was not that person. The only thing she had going for her was her gender and the perception it was time to have a female pres.
    Did you learn your misogynism from Trump or did you already have it before Trump?

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    She had no accomplishments and no character.
    Only years as a senator and being Secretary of State! No accomplishments, indeed! All this while your hero was groping women and sexually assaulting women too numerous to count. Your value system is about as bizarre as any I have ever encountered.

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    As to Trump's financial success, he took about 10 mil from his dad
    Convert that to current dollars, count the times dear old dad had to bail him out, then count the bankruptcies, the illegal schemes, the refusal to pay his legitimate construction invoices, and his outright criminal schemes such as the phony Trump University. When you do all that, get back to me, ok?
  • Jul 31, 2019, 05:51 AM
    tomder55
    collusion ;impeachment are dead issues. Wasn't mentioned once last night ;and Russia was only brought up in reference to a nuclear deal . Take a cue from my favorite candidate we have to stop using all this "wonkiness " and"deal with the dark psychic force "
  • Jul 31, 2019, 06:50 AM
    jlisenbe
    Hatred of HC? The only people on this board who resort to hate-filled name calling are the liberals, led by you. Might as well own up to it.

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    Convert that to current dollars, count the times dear old dad had to bail him out, then count the bankruptcies, the illegal schemes, the refusal to pay his legitimate construction invoices, and his outright criminal schemes such as the phony Trump University. When you do all that, get back to me, ok?
    What is it about starting with 10 mil and ending up worth well over a billion that you don't understand? What is it about increasing your net worth by about 10 thousand percent in only fifty years that is so hard to comprehend? Most people successful in business go through failure. Your hatred of Trump is clouding your judgement.

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    Only years as a senator and being Secretary of State! No accomplishments, indeed!
    Those are not accomplishments; they are federal office positions. While in those federal positions she accomplished nothing. And yeah, if anyone mentions someone being a woman, they must be a misogynist. That's the standard liberal, non-thinking position.

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    "deal with the dark psychic force "
    And to this point the democrats have come. If Trump can learn to keep his mouth shut, he'll win in a landslide.
  • Jul 31, 2019, 08:36 AM
    talaniman
    It's not name calling if it's TRUE! I own my words so don't care who likes them and who doesn't. The dufus can't keep his mouth shut, blasting at will and offensively, and runs from close scrutiny like a scalded dog! He started his life at 3rd base and a silver spoon in his lying mouth from a father who taught him how to lie, cheat, steal, scheme and scam, and he has continued down the path of lying., cheating, and stealing, like the crook he is to get where he is.

    He is a racist and disgrace to the office, and won't ever shut his mouth like most bullies, so forget that landslide. He can be beat in 2020 if we turnout like we did in 2018 in key swing states.
  • Jul 31, 2019, 08:53 AM
    jlisenbe
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    lie, cheat, steal, scheme and scam, and he has continued down the path of lying., cheating, and stealing, like the crook he is to get where he is.
    All of which was true of the person you voted for in 2016. You might as well stop complaining until you guys nominate someone who actually has some character.


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    He is a racist and disgrace to the office, and won't ever shut his mouth like most bullies, so forget that landslide. He can be beat in 2020 if we turnout like we did in 2018 in key swing states.
    And we're right back to it. You don't like him, so he must be a racist. The ridiculous and absurd overuse of the word "racist" has robbed it of all meaning. It's the word liberals tend to toss around when they have nothing meaningful to say.
  • Jul 31, 2019, 09:36 AM
    tomder55
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1156426449399816193
  • Jul 31, 2019, 12:04 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    All of which was true of the person you voted for in 2016. You might as well stop complaining until you guys nominate someone who actually has some character.

    I'm not complaining, just pointing out the lousy character of the guy YOU voted for in 2016.
    Anyone we nominate of the current field will no doubt have more character than the guy you voted for in 2016.You probably know that already.

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    And we're right back to it. You don't like him, so he must be a racist. The ridiculous and absurd overuse of the word "racist" has robbed it of all meaning. It's the word liberals tend to toss around when they have nothing meaningful to say.
    His words, actions, behavior over his life, make him a racist, not my dislike of him. By your standards maybe there is no such thing and you are tired of those that have seen and lived with it holler about it. I understand but denying it, or ignoring it won't make it go away and until YOU understand THAT, your stuck with it.

    Just like us liberals are stuck with you conservatives who refuse to meet in the middle and make things better.
  • Jul 31, 2019, 12:40 PM
    jlisenbe
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    I'm not complaining,
    You're not complaining??? Really?
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    just pointing out the lousy character of the guy YOU voted for in 2016.
    I can have some sympathy for that point, but you completely ignore the lousy character of the person YOU voted for, and that just seems awfully inconsistent to me.

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    Anyone we nominate of the current field will no doubt have more character than the guy you voted for in 2016.You probably know that already.
    Warren? Harris? Biden? Sanders? They all have their own character issues. I guess the difference is, they seem to be career politicians who have never accomplished much. I do give Trump credit for his clearly demonstrated business success.

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    His words, actions, behavior over his life, make him a racist, not my dislike of him. By your standards maybe there is no such thing and you are tired of those that have seen and lived with it holler about it. I understand but denying it, or ignoring it won't make it go away and until YOU understand THAT, your stuck with it.
    We just don't agree on that. I know of no evidence that Trump is a racist. There is plenty of reason to believe he is not. https://deplorablekel.com/2017/08/23...is-not-racist/

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    Just like us liberals are stuck with you conservatives who refuse to meet in the middle and make things better.
    Tell me where the middle is and we can talk about it. I'd love to hear your opinions.
  • Jul 31, 2019, 03:54 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I know of no evidence that Trump is a racist.

    Incredible statement! Not all racists wear white sheets and pointy hats - a fact you know well.

    You like links, so chew on these.

    https://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donal...racism-quotes/
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donal...b03260bf777e83
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...mp-racist.html
    https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/122708...racism-history
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...areer-and-life

    Want more? Nah, you probably won't even read these. You might trip on the truth and hurt yourself.
  • Jul 31, 2019, 04:42 PM
    jlisenbe
    Article from Fortune. Absolute joke involving what a man said Trump's father had done.

    Second article. Innuendo. Nonsense.

    Couldn't read the Times article without an account.

    This paragraph from the fourth article was a perfect example of the nonsense in these articles. "2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”

    He said something questionable about Obama, so of course he must be a racist. Some people say they heard what someone else heard Trump say. The DOJ filed a suit and of course they are always right. And on and on it goes.

    TDS. Plain and simple. In the meantime, I doubt you read the ONE article I linked.

    Another passage from the fourth hit piece. "Most recently, Trump tweeted that several black and brown members of Congress are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. The tweets, aimed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), exemplify a common racist trope used against immigrants and minority groups who criticize US policies. Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, condemned Trump’s tweets as racist."

    He said something about four democrats. They are kooks to many of us, but since Pelosi decided it was racist, then of course it was. It couldn't possibly have been simply a political statement. After all, anything negative said about people of color is automatically, to liberal dems, a sign of racism.

    In the meantime, Rishida Tlaib, one of those women of color, said of Trump, "We are going to impeach the MF." That, of course, passes muster just fine.
  • Jul 31, 2019, 06:17 PM
    paraclete
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    The tweets, aimed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), exemplify a common racist trope used against immigrants and minority groups who criticize US policies. Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, condemned Trump’s tweets as racist."


    So according to your theorem, Nancy Pelosi is the authority on racism perhaps this OP would shed some light on Pelosi and her attitudes to the Group
    [https://infostormer.com/aoc-claims-n...osi-is-racist/[/FONT]
  • Jul 31, 2019, 11:51 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post

    perhaps this OP would shed some light on Pelosi and her attitudes to the Group
    [https://infostormer.com/aoc-claims-n...osi-is-racist/[/FONT]


    Your link Infostormer.com is named after the Nazi publication Der Sturmer by Julius Streiecher who was executed as part of the Nuremberg trials in 1946.

    It is a Neo-Nazi, anti-Semite, Holocaust denier, pro Jewish genocide, segment of the alt-right. It supports Trump, but I'm sure Trump would deny any knowledge of the organization just as he once denied any knowledge of David Duke.

    Have you come this far, paraclete, to be linking to such an evil website? I pray that AMHD is not becoming a place for this evil to be promulgated.
  • Aug 1, 2019, 12:16 AM
    Athos
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    =jlisenbe;3838853 Innuendo. Nonsense.

    That's why I purposely referred you to the KKK so you would know that racism is not just midnight rides and white sheets.

    Trump, like any weaselly con-man, is able to be ambiguous so the weak-minded see only the surface of what he claims. "Dog whistle" has become a common expression for racism that most people get. Trump communicates racial subtleties to his loyal base who know exactly what he means. He's been doing it for decades.

    Even so, sometimes he gets caught. After 5 minority teenagers had been acquitted of a crime for which they had unjustly served many years, Trump continued to call them guilty even after DNA evidence proved otherwise. Why? They were brown and black. To this day, he still believes Obama was born in Africa, although public pressure made him grudgingly take that back. Then there's the refusal to rent to African-Americans in his apartments. Even after being fined by the Feds, he did it again! That should be an easy one to understand.
  • Aug 1, 2019, 04:23 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Trump, like any weaselly con-man, is able to be ambiguous so the weak-minded see only the surface of what he claims.
    I assume that you, of course, do not consider yourself to be amongst the "weak-minded". Wow. What a comment.

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    After 5 minority teenagers had been acquitted of a crime for which they had unjustly served many years, Trump continued to call them guilty even after DNA evidence proved otherwise. Why? They were brown and black. To this day, he still believes Obama was born in Africa, although public pressure made him grudgingly take that back. Then there's the refusal to rent to African-Americans in his apartments. Even after being fined by the Feds, he did it again! That should be an easy one to understand.
    1. The "because they were black and brown" is pure conjecture on your part.
    2. I don't think he believes Obama was born in Kenya, but even if he did, that would be more politics than anything else. Oops! I forgot about your mystical ability to ferret out meaning from statements too difficult for the rest of us to handle.
    3. The issue with the apartments was primarily a case against his father. Even at that, there was no absolute refusal to rent to minorities as shown by the fact that about 5% of the tenants were black. The DOJ case sought to raise that to 10% which eventually happened. The case was then dropped.

    It is certainly possible that Trump has some racial prejudices. It's possible that everyone on this board has them as well in addition to just about everyone on the earth, but it's an enormous stretch to suggest that his life has been guided by racism. I just don't think that is true at all.

    As I've been saying, this is just politics. You had no problem supporting the two people who stood around and did nothing as five Americans died in Benghazi. You did so because you supported the same policies they believed in. Trump voters support him for the same reason. Perhaps one of these days it will be possible to have meaningful conversations with people who understand this and we can stop the perpetual finger pointing, name-calling, and moral posturing.

    I am still interested, for instance, in Tal's middle ground. That could be a good starting point.
  • Aug 1, 2019, 06:33 AM
    paraclete
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    Have you come this far, paraclete, to be linking to such an evil website?
    It must be wonderful to have perfect knowledge, but I just tweeked the liberals NOSE
  • Aug 1, 2019, 07:47 AM
    talaniman
    One of the most egregious and insulting things that has come from the mouth of the dufus is what he has done for the blacks. You have expressed that also, and to be honest it makes my blood boil. Some things are not liberal or conservative but extremely personal. That's one of them! Another was pointing to a black guy at a rally and exclaiming there's my black guy! His appeal to those loony right wing extremist racists whose votes he NEEDS is also VERY disturbing. You may not care about any of those things but I sure do, so you may as well right or wrong ACCEPT that's just the feelings among some that some refuse to let others just ignore, and dismiss as just silly season politics as usual.

    Another thing that makes my blood boil is the abject willingness for cruelty exhibited over and over for women and children. Something you easily dismiss, but should NOT. I mean it's always a red flag when denying bad behavior "not my type", and just worse cruelty to make a point or for a deterrence. It's no secret I don't suffer bullies at all, but when a guy LIES all the time and you take his word without verification, and can write it off as a big mouth, you make me scratch my head like WHAT?

    Your right wing loony links though says it all, as does Clete's last one, though the attempt to tweek liberal noses is a MO or maybe that Aussie humor on display, which falls into the category of Misinformed, or low information input. Fact is there are not enough facts and details in the Green New Deal for anyone to price or vet accurately. That makes your cost assertions as speculative as the links you provided.

    I won't let my friend Tom off the hook either, while we do agree on some things, romantic capitalist that he is, knows better to make a picture the example of all the dem strongholds while ignoring the same thing on the other side. Maybe the big cities are run by dems and have issues, but repub strongholds and there are a lot of them in red states across the country, that have the same slums as repubs do. Poverty and economic policy is a HUGE complex problem everywhere in the country.
  • Aug 1, 2019, 08:08 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Your right wing loony links though says it all
    Which one? I'm gonna bet you can't come up with a single one. I try to be very careful with my links. Just because they contain information that does not support your narrative does not make them loony.

    As for your first paragraph, the lowest black unemployment in history would, I think, be something to celebrate. As to the supposed cruelty, I just don't agree with you on that. It's a difficult situation on the border. If you want to talk about cruelty, why aren't you talking about the dire situations in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, or many other large American cities led by democrats? It is a much, much worse situation in those cities than on the border. People are being murdered by the dozens every week but no one seems to care. Why? Politics. Stinkin politics. If they were led by republicans, you'd be all over it, but since it's democrats then I guess it's OK.

    But aside from that, I'd still like to hear your ideas on where the middle is. What ideas could be considered middle?

    We were also going to discuss the ideas listed from AOC and her group. When I pointed out the impossible costs of those ideas, the discussion kind of dried up.
  • Aug 1, 2019, 09:30 AM
    talaniman
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    Fact is there are not enough facts and details in the Green New Deal for anyone to price or vet accurately. That makes your cost assertions as speculative as the links you provided.

    So your position is that there are no slums in republican run cities, no poor people in red states, and if there are, they are democrats and liberals, or lazy?

    My solution to this is kick out the bums like Moscow Mitch, and the other dufus sycophants in the senate, and pass a sweeping infrastructure bill for the cities, and pay for it by rescinding the deficit funded tax cuts to the rich, ALL of them, closing ALL the special interests rich guy loopholes, and apply a 2% wealth tax on the 1%, and start sending the proper people to the southern border to process migrants humanely and expeditiously, Defend the stupid repeal of Obama Care attempt by repub states attorneys, through the DOJ, and finally just for a start stop those dumb sanctions of China, and add a few more to Russia, and cut ties with the Saudis immediately. I would start impeachment of the dufus and FREEZE any and all executive orders or military policies he has enacted.

    That's phase 1 of my plan. Phase 2 Starts with sentencing you to a race sensitivity course run by a Christian institute in Texas so I can collect on that coffee every morning until you graduate.
  • Aug 1, 2019, 01:05 PM
    jlisenbe
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    My solution to this is kick out the bums like Moscow Mitch, and the other dufus sycophants in the senate, and pass a sweeping infrastructure bill for the cities, and pay for it by rescinding the deficit funded tax cuts to the rich, ALL of them, closing ALL the special interests rich guy loopholes, and apply a 2% wealth tax on the 1%, and start sending the proper people to the southern border to process migrants humanely and expeditiously,
    Rather interestingly, your plan did not involve kicking out the democrat mayors and alderman that run those cities. How strange that you have no interest in holding the people in charge responsible. Might try going to the five fastest growing American cities and see what they are doing differently. #1 Grand Rapids, Michigan, #2 Nashville, Tennessee, #3 Raleigh, North Carolina, #4 El Paso, Texas, #5 San Antonio, Texas.

    Your tax plan would not even come close to balancing the budget. Not even close.

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    That's phase 1 of my plan. Phase 2 Starts with sentencing you to a race sensitivity course run by a Christian institute in Texas so I can collect on that coffee every morning until you graduate.
    There is only one of us so obsessed with bringing up race as a major issue. That would be you. Maybe you should go?? I endeavor to treat everyone fairly and not characterize a person by his/her race. Not too sure how to do better than that. Kiss up to someone because of his/her race? Nah.
  • Aug 1, 2019, 03:01 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I assume that you, of course, do not consider yourself to be amongst the "weak-minded".


    No, but I do consider you to be.

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    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    [LEFT] It must be wonderful to have perfect knowledge, but I just tweeked the liberals NOSE


    Direct question: do you support the Neo-Nazi movement? Is there any reason why you promoted a Neo-Nazi website by publishing its link?
  • Aug 1, 2019, 03:34 PM
    talaniman
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Rather interestingly, your plan did not involve kicking out the democrat mayors and alderman that run those cities. How strange that you have no interest in holding the people in charge responsible. Might try going to the five fastest growing American cities and see what they are doing differently. #1 Grand Rapids, Michigan, #2 Nashville, Tennessee, #3 Raleigh, North Carolina, #4 El Paso, Texas, #5 San Antonio, Texas.

    My plan is a national one for the COUNTRY. I let the locals run there own communities, just help with some structural job creating upgrades and improvements.

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    Your tax plan would not even come close to balancing the budget. Not even close.
    Not trying to balance the budget, just grow the economy, and help communities, and mitigate the costs.

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    There is only one of us so obsessed with bringing up race as a major issue. That would be you. Maybe you should go?? I endeavor to treat everyone fairly and not characterize a person by his/her race. Not too sure how to do better than that. Kiss up to someone because of his/her race? Nah.
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    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,
    [note 1]
    promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.



    The words of these documents are powerful ,and maybe YOU live by a higher standard there are and have been those where race is a big deal and their disrespect knows no bounds. Because YOU cannot see racism in your fellows does that mean it doesn't exist? Often right under your nose. When the dufus exclaimed that there were good people among the blood and soil chanters it was but another sleight against people of color and has many since and while I can forgive such a trespass, he has not asked for it.

    So he gets NONE and has earned my disdain. Many in the minority community and even some of our blue eyed brothers feel that way. Just sayin'
  • Aug 1, 2019, 03:41 PM
    jlisenbe
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    Not trying to balance the budget, just grow the economy, and help communities, and mitigate the costs.
    And thereby grow the national debt.

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    The words of these documents are powerful ,and maybe YOU live by a higher standard there are and have been those where race is a big deal and their disrespect knows no bounds. Because YOU cannot see racism in your fellows does that mean it doesn't exist? Often right under your nose. When the dufus exclaimed that there were good people among the blood and soil chanters it was but another sleight against people of color and has many since and while I can forgive such a trespass, he has not asked for it.

    So he gets NONE and has earned my disdain. Many in the minority community and even some of our blue eyed brothers feel that way. Just sayin'
    I think that's a somewhat fair statement. There are people who either intentionally or inadvertently practice racial prejudice. Now they are people of every color, and not just white, but I would agree that all of us being more sensitive to that would be helpful. And yes, Trump has not always been helpful in that regard, but Obama had his missteps as well. But to say that Trump has done nothing to help the black community would be inaccurate.

    I would still like to hear your description of the middle ground. Seriously.
  • Aug 1, 2019, 04:05 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    No, but I do consider you to be.




    Direct question: do you support the Neo-Nazi movement? Is there any reason why you promoted a Neo-Nazi website by publishing its link?

    No doubt you have heard of the internet, you provide some search terms and it provides answers, it doesn't rate the answers according to political affiliation or even tell you the political affiliation. If you expect my postings to be backed up by investigative measures you will wait a long time. I saw nothing in the article that would alert me to neo-nazism. However you are using nazi tactics with guilt by association
  • Aug 2, 2019, 04:49 AM
    talaniman
    Dude, the way it works is one side lays out it's plan, and the other side lays out their plan. Then they negotiate the middle. I laid out my plan. Where's yours?

    Another shoe has dropped as NY has subpoenaed the trump organization.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ver-hush-money
  • Aug 2, 2019, 04:58 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Dude, the way it works is one side lays out it's plan, and the other side lays out their plan. Then they negotiate the middle. I laid out my plan. Where's yours?
    Where is your plan? Are you talking about this?

    Medicare for All
    A Living Wage & Labor Rights
    K-16 schooling, aka Public Colleges
    100% Renewable Energy
    Fixing the pipes in Flint
    Not Hurting Immigrants
    Holding Wall Street Accountable
  • Aug 2, 2019, 05:24 AM
    paraclete
    These are all commendable objectives, why do you complain so much
  • Aug 2, 2019, 05:31 AM
    talaniman
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    My solution to this is kick out the bums like Moscow Mitch, and the other dufus sycophants in the senate, and pass a sweeping infrastructure bill for the cities, and pay for it by rescinding the deficit funded tax cuts to the rich, ALL of them, closing ALL the special interests rich guy loopholes, and apply a 2% wealth tax on the 1%, and start sending the proper people to the southern border to process migrants humanely and expeditiously, Defend the stupid repeal of Obama Care attempt by repub states attorneys, through the DOJ, and finally just for a start stop those dumb sanctions of China, and add a few more to Russia, and cut ties with the Saudis immediately. I would start impeachment of the dufus and FREEZE any and all executive orders or military policies he has enacted.

    You missed it, or more accurately dismissed it even though I laid out a pay for.
  • Aug 2, 2019, 05:31 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    These are all commendable objectives, why do you complain so much
    I'm not complaining about them. I'm asking Tal if those are his plans that he mentioned. If you're not going to keep up on a thread, then keep your nose out of it.

    Addendum. The "nose" comment was rude. My apologies.
  • Aug 2, 2019, 05:32 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    These are all commendable objectives, why do you complain so much

    He seldom knows the nuances very well Clete, but have hope, he can learn...I think!
  • Aug 2, 2019, 05:44 AM
    jlisenbe
    OK. Gotcha. I mistook it for one of your rants.

    Quote:

    My solution to this is kick out the bums like Moscow Mitch, and the other dufus sycophants in the senate, and pass a sweeping infrastructure bill for the cities, and pay for it by rescinding the deficit funded tax cuts to the rich, ALL of them, closing ALL the special interests rich guy loopholes, and apply a 2% wealth tax on the 1%, and start sending the proper people to the southern border to process migrants humanely and expeditiously, Defend the stupid repeal of Obama Care attempt by repub states attorneys, through the DOJ, and finally just for a start stop those dumb sanctions of China, and add a few more to Russia, and cut ties with the Saudis immediately. I would start impeachment of the dufus and FREEZE any and all executive orders or military policies he has enacted.
    My plan.

    1. Implement a tax plan that requires everyone who makes income over $2,000 to pay 10% federal income tax. If you live here and enjoy the benefits of being in America, you should have to help pay for it.
    2. Implement a second tax plan that requires a 20% income tax on all income over 80,000 a year. There will be no deductions other than for dependents. It's your bill for running the fed government. Do away with the marriage penalty.
    2a. Legally restrict the fed tax code for personal income to no more that ten pages that every average American can understand.
    3. Adjust/cut spending over four years to match the money coming in from fed taxation and thus have a balanced budget.
    3b. Cut all federal employees' wages by 10%. Increase their work week to 42 hours. If they don't like it they can leave.
    4. Build the wall and thus solve the crisis on the southern border.
    5. Learn to mind our own business in foreign relations. Make it clear that we will participate in alliances but will no longer carry the burden alone.
    6. Get rid of Obamacare.
    7. Pass a law that any congressman proposing new spending must also specify how it will be paid for. If he/she does not, they will be taken behind the capital building and whipped severely.
    8. Continue to hammer foreign nations that engage in unfair trade practices which result in lost jobs for Americans.
    9. Require every federal employee to sign a pledge to put America first.
    10. Appoint federal judges committed to the rule of law and honoring the clear intent of the Constitution.
    11. Pass a law forbidding the feds from giving money to individual cities to solve problems the city itself should be responsible for. Encourage them to elect government officials that actually know what they're doing.
    12. I would be open to discussing raising the minimum wage to 15 an hour if we also did away with welfare programs for mantally/physically healthy people.
    13. Get rid of the gold-plated medical and retirement plans for federal politicians.
  • Aug 2, 2019, 06:21 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I'm not complaining about them. I'm asking Tal if those are his plans that he mentioned. If you're not going to keep up on a thread, then keep your nose out of it.

    Addendum. The "nose" comment was rude. My apologies.

    We have a saying where I come from GSASA and another GOYA when put together they suggest that you might thinK about your responses, I have no intention of staying out of things because it suits you so GOYA and take your own advise
  • Aug 2, 2019, 06:26 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    We have a saying where I come from GSASA and another GOYA when put together they suggest that you might thinK about your responses, I have no intention of staying out of things because it suits you so GOYA and take your own advise
    I'll put it nicely. It would nice if you would keep up with the thread so your comments would make sense. But that's fine. Fire away. As the old saying goes, "Opinions are like noses. Everyone has one."
  • Aug 2, 2019, 02:30 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Ratcliffe exposed as the source of the infamous FBI "Secret Society" hoax!

    This nitwit is the clown Trump wants to head the intelligence efforts of the US.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You just can't make this stuff up!


    Ratcliffe was such a bad choice, even Trump couldn't overcome the opposition. Ratcliffe withdrew his nomination.

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