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The dufus has passed a judgement on migrants and branded them illegal and treated them like criminals without the proper due process required by law. You have aided, abetted, and enabled such bad behavior with your support of him. The fact that you as a Christian have joined the supremist to this end speaks volumes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I'm not calling names but calling you out since you ignore the example of your own savior.
Wikipedia: "Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the U.S. economy/contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services. Economists estimate that legalization of the illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase U.S. gross domestic product."Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Uhm... let's see. There is a legal way to enter the country. If you just walk in and don't follow the law, then you are breaking the law and deserve to be treated as a criminal. Not real complicated.Quote:
The dufus has passed a judgement on migrants and branded them illegal and treated them like criminals without the proper due process required by law. You have aided, abetted, and enabled such bad behavior with your support of him. The fact that you as a Christian have joined the supremist to this end speaks volumes.
I'd love to see this alleged research. How would anyone have any idea how much taxes are paid by illegals? And yes, legalizing the illegal population would add greatly to the democrat voting base which is why they are all in favor of it.Quote:
Wikipedia: "Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the U.S. economy/contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services. Economists estimate that legalization of the illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase U.S. gross domestic product."
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Research
- "The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments". Congressional Budget Office. December 2007.
- ^ a b "The economic impact of US immigration policies in the Age of Trump" (PDF).
- ^ a b Liu, Xiangbo (2010-12-01). "On the macroeconomic and welfare effects of illegal immigration" (PDF). Journal of Economic Dynamics and Control. 34 (12): 2547–2567. doi:10.1016/j.jedc.2010.06.030.
- ^ a b Palivos, Theodore; Yip, Chong K. (2010-09-01). "Illegal immigration in a heterogeneous labor market". Journal of Economics. 101 (1): 21–47. doi:10.1007/s00712-010-0139-y. ISSN 0931-8658.
- ^ a b
- See Wikipedia article for more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ille..._United_States
Why on earth would it add to the dem voting base???? It would definitely add to repub business owners' bank accounts because crops would get harvested, hospital and nursing home and office floors would get swabbed, roofs would get roofed, and homes and office buildings would get built.Quote:
And yes, legalizing the illegal population would add greatly to the democrat voting base which is why they are all in favor of it.
1. I'm going to go way out on a limb here and suggest you have not read a single one of the research papers. If you had, you would have found the following fascinating text.
"This paper examines the effects of illegal immigration in a neoclassical growth model with two groups of workers, skilled and unskilled. We show that although illegal immigration is a boon to a country as a whole, there are distributional effects, whose sign is in general ambiguous. This is because all sources of income of both groups are affected and some of these changes tend to move income in opposite directions. Nevertheless, calibration exercises show that the wealth distribution is likely to become more unequal as the number of illegal immigrants increases. We confirm most of our calibration results analytically in a small open economy version of the basic model. Finally, our results remain robust when we extend the model to allow for endogenous skill acquisition."
I found nothing that supported the Wikipedia article. But if that article is correct, then wouldn't it be wise to just open the border up and let anyone and everyone in? Is that what you are proposing?
2. Most of the illegals are Hispanic. Hispanics overwhelmingly vote democrat. You do the math.
If they crossed the border illegally ,then by definition they are illegals .Quote:
The dufus has passed a judgement on migrants and branded them illegal
some of the headlines in the last few months .
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/texas-...-migration/
https://www.pressherald.com/2018/12/...city-services/
https://www.motherjones.com/politics...hildren-trump/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzp80KfEUjk
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
https://onenewsnow.com/culture/2019/...ng-aid-program
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...efugee-system/
"This paper examines the effects of illegal immigration in a neoclassical growth model with two groups of workers, skilled and unskilled. We show that although illegal immigration is a boon to a country as a whole, there are distributional effects, whose sign is in general ambiguous. This is because all sources of income of both groups are affected and some of these changes tend to move income in opposite directions. Nevertheless, calibration exercises show that the wealth distribution is likely to become more unequal as the number of illegal immigrants increases. We confirm most of our calibration results analytically in a small open economy version of the basic model. Finally, our results remain robust when we extend the model to allow for endogenous skill acquisition."
That in no way precludes the veracity of any of the accepted data. The text obviously refers to state counties and regions in the US, and that's an important distinction. The wealth gap is widening with or without undocumented immigrants. Yes more than half are hispanic so what? That population hasn't grown greatly in a decade while others are, and that is what is accounting for the spike at the southern border.
Maybe it would be more practical if we build a wall at Mexico's southern border...and we pay for it!
Yes. That certainly makes a lot of sense. I think frequently about a neoclassical growth model. I'm sure you do as well.Quote:
This paper examines the effects of illegal immigration in a neoclassical growth model with two groups of workers, skilled and unskilled.
I won't post the entire explanation, since you get irritated so easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
"What Is the Neoclassical Growth Model?
The Neoclassical growth model is based on an economic theory that outlines how a steady economic growth rate results from a combination of three driving forces: labor, capital, and technology."
Read all the goobly-gook you want. Then build the wall.
In the meantime:
https://a57.foxnews.com/hp.foxnews.c....jpg?tl=1&ve=1
Nust be worse than we though where they are running from.
Refugees should be armed,trained and encouraged to take back their country from the leaders of the nation ,who can either reform or die.
Open borders encourages money laundering and people smuggling and disincentivizes patriotism in the Third World .
If the globalists really want to prevent failing states they should make it difficult for any high ranking 3rd world official to move themselves, their money or their families to the West unless specially cleared.The idea is already contained in the Magnitsky Act. Since 2016 the bill, which applies globally, authorizes the US government to sanction those who it sees as human rights offenders, freezing their assets, and ban them from entering the U.S. . you remember the Magnitsky act don't you ? The act the Ruskies TRIED to get Trump to repeal ?
https://www.news.com.au/world/south-...1fa36348748a1f
No one is in favor of "open borders"!!!!
Only the democrats. They favor security with their words, but have no real ideas of how to achieve it. Build the wall.
And repubs believe a wall is their savior? What a dufus idea.
And if the refugees and immigrants were blond-haired, blue-eyed Caucasians, we'd send buses south to bring them here.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Dems believe in technology, knowing that the brrr brrr noise it makes doesn't cause cancer.
Yet another hateful, prejudiced statement. Very disappointing. You have essentially jumped on the Trump train. And yes, I have probably again gotten carried away and perhaps too harsh in my response, but I don't like your implication that conservatives are racists. It is a terribly unfair accusation.Quote:
And if the refugees and immigrants were blond-haired, blue-eyed Caucasians, we'd send buses south to bring them here.
What???Quote:
Dems believe in technology, knowing that the brrr brrr noise it makes doesn't cause cancer.
You don't think Trump would agree with that? At an Oval Office meeting with lawmakers, he said he doesn't want immigrants from “$h!thole countries” (Haiti and Africa) and called for more immigrants from places like Norway (blond-haired, blue-eyed Caucasians).Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Drones are quiet, and other technologies that can be used at the southern border are quiet, unlike, according to Trump, wind turbines that go brrr brrr and give one cancer. And when there's no wind, your tv doesn't work because the electricity is off.Quote:
What???
No, I don't think Trump would agree with your statement. As for me, I'm all for immigrants so long as they come here to work and believe in our system of government.Quote:
You don't think Trump would agree with that? At an Oval Office meeting with lawmakers, he said he doesn't want immigrants from “$h!thole countries” (Haiti and Africa) and called for more immigrants from places like Norway (blond-haired, blue-eyed Caucasians).
"Good fences make good neighbours." Robert Frost
Have you ever read and explicated the entire poem? Frost (the poem's narrator) is against walls and fences:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
"Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down...
He will not go behind his father's saying."
Frost's neighbor is stubborn and wants to put up a wall "just because" his father always did.
From https://www.gradesaver.com/the-poetr...ding-wall-1914 :
In the poem itself, Frost creates two distinct characters who have different ideas about what exactly makes a person a good neighbor. The narrator deplores his neighbor’s preoccupation with repairing the wall; he views it as old-fashioned and even archaic. After all, he quips, his apples are not going to invade the property of his neighbor’s pinecones. Moreover, within a land of such of such freedom and discovery, the narrator asks, are such borders necessary to maintain relationships between people? Despite the narrator’s skeptical view of the wall, the neighbor maintains his seemingly “old-fashioned” mentality, responding to each of the narrator’s disgruntled questions and rationalizations with nothing more than the adage: “Good fences make good neighbors.”
Was either neighbor allowing his family members to cross at will and camp out on the other guy's land?
That's the story of America isn't it? The Euros came and kept coming and I bet if the natives could have enforced their sovereignty they would have. They were outgunned and out numbered eventually, and no doubt those same Euros are making sure the natives don't get it back right?
Heck that's the history of mankind. I get why you want walls and fences. Your tribe just wants to keep what they took from another tribe.
It seems to me that most liberals are fine with illegals flowing across the border, but they never seem to have any of them camped out in their own backyard. It's OK so long as it's someone else's problem.Quote:
Heck that's the history of mankind. I get why you want walls and fences. Your tribe just wants to keep what they took from another tribe.
What tribe is that?Quote:
Your tribe
Are you a native? Are you Hispanic? Euro? SLAVE descendent or all the above? Pick one and you tell me.
How do you know their illegals without due process by law? Seeking asylum doesn't make you illegal. Overstaying your visa does, but nothing said about that. Selective prejudices?Quote:
It seems to me that most liberals are fine with illegals flowing across the border, but they never seem to have any of them camped out in their own backyard. It's OK so long as it's someone else's problem.
The poem's narrator wouldn't have cared. The neighbor wanted a fence only because his father had ranted that there had to be one.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
In my neighborhood (and suburb) we don't have barriers to keep each other out. If we found a family camped out in our large, tree-shaded back yard, we'd help them figure out more comfortable and safe housing by connecting them with Catholic Charities (an office with social workers is nearby) and area churches.
1. How often have you actually done that?Quote:
If we found a family camped out in our large, tree-shaded back yard, we'd help them figure out more comfortable and safe housing by connecting them with Catholic Charities (an office with social workers is nearby) and area churches.
2. Why connect them with Catholic Charities? Why not help them yourself? Why do liberals always want to pass people off to someone else to help?
What could be wrong with networking for the good? Only a twisted mind would limit others and tell them what they should do to help others for a better outcome.
I didn't tell anyone what to do. You are the one doing that. I just asked a couple of questions.
All due respect my friend, but your questions came off rather crass especially the last one, which I felt was an insult to the selfless hard working volunteers who are giving of themselves to help those in need. Networking with organizations is just more effective for more people, than just what one can do on their own.
Surely your own good works have shown you that.
I'm all for Catholic Charities. My point was that liberals are constantly wanting to impress everyone else with their charitable inclinations by letting other people take care of the poor. I like to know what a person is doing on an individual basis. At least tell me that you are a volunteer at CC, or support them with financial donations, but don't try to say that driving someone down to an organization amounts to helping the poor. It can be a good thing to do, but it is still not a personal involvement in an individual's life.
It's the same thing I have been saying repeatedly. Charity is not when A helps B with C's money. Charity is when A helps B with A's money.
1. I've never found people camped out in my back yard.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
2. One of my master's level internships was working for nine months at Catholic Charities. I was able to combine counseling families with tutoring and home visits and helping seniors and the disabled to be the best they can be. Catholic Charities offers a very wide spectrum of services, services I couldn't provide on my own. (Lutheran Social Services is another excellent provider of services.) Of course, I continued to be "lightly" involved with my clients after my internship ended.
That's good and wonderful, but an internship is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about going out and engaging with needy people in an unpaid position just for the sake of doing it and being a blessing. That's my complaint with liberal people. It's generally about getting someone else to help the needy. What is needed is for many of us to become personally engaged, not simply professionally engaged.
And I'm not trying to engage in finger-pointing at you personally. I have no idea what you do to help others. It might be considerable, but as I said, I have not seen that to be the case with liberals I have met or communicated with.
Of course, I'm not going to list all the ways I help people and animals. Oh yeah, I will tell you that, for many years, my husband and I have been feral/stray cat rescuers, eventually adopting them ourselves or finding loving homes for them. My working in public libraries for years allowed me to get to know the community and the residents, and my starting and overseeing a multi-cultural volunteer corps that included court-ordered community-service workers gave the library staff many wonderful opportunities to help others at the library and from home. No one asked first who belonged to what political party; we all just dug in to make lives better.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I commend you. It's a fine thing to help animals. It's good to have a volunteer group to help the library. I'm happy for you. Just saying that when it comes to actually spending their own money and their own free time to literally go out and help needy, poor people, that's a different situation for most people. So before a person starts getting all judgmental about the motives of those of us who want a secure border, I want to know if they are putting their own time and money where their words are with the poor and needy.
Yes, I am, beyond your wildest dreams. I know I'm not the only "liberal" (???) doing so. And we can definitely have a secure border without putting up a medieval wall that can be gone under, over, and around.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
JL, you musta missed my point. The library staff, as well as its volunteers AND court-ordered community service workers helped the entire community as needed -- and didn't drag politics into it.
My congratulations! You are, in my experience, very much the exception.Quote:
JL, you musta missed my point. The library staff, as well as its volunteers AND court-ordered community service workers helped the entire community as needed -- and didn't drag politics into it.
As for the wall, we need to build it for the simple reason that everything else does not work. It will.
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