You wingers just can't accept the insurance companies are lying to you about who to blame for those letters kicking you off those cheap policies you love can you?

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If you are covered by a plan that existed March 23, 2010, your plan may be "grandfathered." You may not get some rights and protections that other plans offer.

Grandfathered plans

Grandfathered plans are those that were in existence on March 23, 2010 and have stayed basically the same. But they can enroll people after that date and still maintain their grandfathered status. In other words, even if you joined a grandfathered plan after March 23, 2010, the plan may still be grandfathered. The status depends on when the plan was created, not when you joined it.

How to find out if your plan is grandfathered
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Check your plan's materials: Health plans must disclose if they are grandfathered in all materials describing plan benefits. They must offer contact information.

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Check with your employer or your health plan's benefits administrator.


What grandfathered plans do and don't have to cover

Here's a quick look at the consumer protections that do and don't apply to grandfathered plans:

All health plans must:
•End lifetime limits on coverage
•End arbitrary cancellations of health coverage
•Cover adult children up to age 26
•Provide a Summary of Benefits and Coverage (SBC), a short, easy-to-understand summary of what a plan covers and costs
•Hold insurance companies accountable to spend your premiums on health care, not administrative costs and bonuses

Grandfathered plans DON'T have to:
•Cover preventive care for free
•Guarantee your right to appeal
•Protect your choice of doctors and access to emergency care
•Be held accountable through Rate Review for excessive premium increases

In addition to the above, grandfathered individual health insurance plans (the kind you buy yourself, not the kind you get from an employer) don't have to:
•End yearly limits on coverage
•Cover you if you have a pre-existing health condition

Note: Some grandfathered plans offer protections they're not required to. Check with your insurance company or benefits administrator to learn if your grandfathered plan offers the rights and protections listed above.

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I posted this on another thread but its obvious it bears repeating,

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You wingers just can't accept the insurance companies are lying to you about who to blame for those letters kicking you off those cheap policies you love can you?



I posted this on another thread but its obvious it bears repeating,

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And this bears repeating, stop shifting the blame and treating us like fools. They knew most plans would not be grandfathered.

Show me the ones losing their insurance won't get a better deal. Initial emotional reactions will give way to facts in time. Then you will be hollering for nothing as usual. Your so called lies are from your own misinformation.

Hello again, Steve:

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And this bears repeating, stop shifting the blame and treating us like fools. They knew most plans would not be grandfathered.

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Ok, this is growing to a close. The law IS the law, and it ain't NEVER gonna be repealed. After these many years, I'm growing tired of discussing it, too.

What I have to say in closing is this: like Medicare and Social Security, that you once HATED but NOW embrace, you'll grow to LOVE Obamacare too.

Next.

excon

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And this bears repeating, stop shifting the blame and treating us like fools. They knew most plans would not be grandfathered.

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We all knew the government was shutting down companies with cheap plans.Most of us knew the insurance companies would dump the cheap plans because its more profitable to do so.

Guess who ends up with all those subsidies the government gives consumers?

Quit being so stubborn and get your head out of the insurance companies a$$. They are it for the money, not your convenience. You have stated that was a good thing and why they were in business.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

We all knew the government was shutting down companies with cheap plans.Most of us knew the insurance companies would dump the cheap plans because its more profitable to do so.

Guess who ends up with all those subsidies the government gives consumers?

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Again, do you even read what you write?

You still expect us to believe that the new premium plans cost half of what the "junk" "bare bones" plans people want to keep cost. Get your head out of your arse, Tal, we are not that gullible.

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Quit being so stubborn and get your head out of the insurance companies a$$. They are it for the money, not your convenience. You have stated that was a good thing and why they were in business.

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Not exactly, I said businesses have to SERVE to make a profit to SURVIVE while government TAKES what it wants without regard to your best interest.

Crony capitalism Democrat style...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us....html?hp&_r=2&

Evita spoke at Goldman Sachs events twice in the last week . She netted $400,000 in speaking fees . She also collected fees from speaking engagements at KKR's annual investor meeting in California, and at Carlyle Group. These are not campaign events (I'm sure she'll get her share from these companies also ) . No these are personal appearances to line her pockets.
I have no problem with this arrangement . Just don't pretend that it is the evil Republicans alone engaging in so called cronyism.
For GS ,this is just insurance. As Jamie Dimon can testify... it doesn't pay to get on the bad side of the Democrat syndicate .

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Dimon's real sin, as I've pointed out on these pages before, was his withering critique of the Obama economic agenda, which he said was holding back the US economy.

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For a while, Dimon (a longtime Democrat) was a rarity in Corporate America in that he refused to be cowed by the Washington political class and keep his mouth shut in the face of the absurdity this administration was administering to businesses in the form of taxes, regulation and now a new health-care system where even something as vital as designing a workable Web site to sign up new recruits doesn't work.

By speaking out, Dimon became de facto public enemy No. 1.

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Jamie Dimon's $13B sin: Bashing Obamanomics | New York Post

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Crony capitalism Democrat style...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us....html?hp&_r=2&

Evita spoke at Goldman Sachs events twice in the last week . She netted $400,000 in speaking fees . She also collected fees from speaking engagements at KKR’s annual investor meeting in California, and at Carlyle Group. These are not campaign events (I'm sure she'll get her share from these companies also ) . No these are personal appearances to line her pockets.
I have no problem with this arrangement . Just don't pretend that it is the evil Republicans alone engaging in so called cronyism.
For GS ,this is just insurance. As Jamie Dimon can testify... it doesn't pay to get on the bad side of the Democrat syndicate .
Jamie Dimon’s $13B sin: Bashing Obamanomics | New York Post

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I am shocked, shocked I tell you that a Democrat would be involved in sort of crony capitalism or use such tactics.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Crony capitalism Democrat style...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us....html?hp&_r=2&

Evita spoke at Goldman Sachs events twice in the last week . She netted $400,000 in speaking fees . She also collected fees from speaking engagements at KKR’s annual investor meeting in California, and at Carlyle Group. These are not campaign events (I'm sure she'll get her share from these companies also ) . No these are personal appearances to line her pockets.
I have no problem with this arrangement . Just don't pretend that it is the evil Republicans alone engaging in so called cronyism.
For GS ,this is just insurance. As Jamie Dimon can testify... it doesn't pay to get on the bad side of the Democrat syndicate .
Jamie Dimon’s $13B sin: Bashing Obamanomics | New York Post

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Are you defending a wrong doer who may yet face criminal charges? I would think going after friend or foe would be a mark of good leaders. I guess you don't think so, as you mock "Evita" for doing the same thing Sarah is doing. And she has a superpac too! Evita doesn't quit when the going gets tough like right wing losers do!

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Are you defending a wrong doer who may yet face criminal charges? I would think going after friend or foe would be a mark of good leaders. I guess you don't think so, as you mock "Evita" for doing the same thing Sarah is doing. And she has a superpac too! Evita doesn't quit when the going gets tough like right wing losers do!

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You guys defend wrong doers here regularly, see IRS, Benghazi, Fast & Furious and every Obamacare liar.

Hello again, Steve:

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You guys defend wrong doers here regularly, see IRS, Benghazi, Fast & Furious and every Obamacare liar.

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Nahhh.. I hated those things.. I was just waiting for PROOF before I denounced the pres and AG.

Still WAITING...

excon

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You guys defend wrong doers here regularly, see IRS, Benghazi, Fast & Furious and every Obamacare liar.

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You spent all night gathering rocks didn't you?

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Are you defending a wrong doer who may yet face criminal charges?!

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Nope... not defending Evita at all.

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I guess you don't think so, as you mock "Evita" for doing the same thing Sarah is doing.

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The question is why do you criticize Sarah and give Evita a pass ? Trust me... Sarah is a piker compared to the Clintoons.

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And she has a superpac too! Evita doesn't quit when the going gets tough like right wing losers do!

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Ummmm what do you call the Clinton foundation ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/us...pagewanted=all
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/us...ted=3&_r=2&hp&
It's even worse because she uses it to filter political activities... very questionable ! Any yes ,Evita quit the Senate to become Sec State and then quit the State dept... bugged out in fact... right after the Benghazi scandal started getting hot.

You see ,I got to see her in act up close and personal in the county I reside in .
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/0...e-Four-Pardon#
She bought the vote of a whole community with 4 very questionable Presidential pardons.

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Palin was criticized for her stupidity, not for her money-making abilities; of that she knows what she's doing since it's her driving motivator.

Evita is just very incompetent and corrupt . The history of her corruption is more than 2 decades long.

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Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh.. I hated those things.. I was just waiting for PROOF before I denounced the pres and AG.

Still WAITING...

excon

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Since when did the evidence ever persuade you?

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You spent all night gathering rocks didn't you?

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No, I live in a rock house, I have plenty.

Speaking of houses, the leaves are falling, and its time to clean the gutters again, and bring the water hoses to the garage, check the attic for critter holes and nests and see how many kids ring the bell tonight. Only a handful last year, but the candy wasn't wasted. :D

Big game for me tonight, need popcorn?

Speaking of Halloween...



And today's hash tag, #CandyCare

Ah halloween, a hallowed tradition in far away places, my daughter is going for tricks this year when the kids turn up she is going to turn the hose on them, that should persuade the little buggers to go away

The reality is the administration never performed final testing on the exchange site's security measures.

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(CBS News) WASHINGTON -- The health care website went down again Monday for an hour and a half, and no one is sure why. It's being taken offline on purpose every night from 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. for repairs. Millions are still having trouble buying insurance on it, and it turns out that even when the website works, it may not be secure enough to protect privacy.

As HealthCare.gov was being developed, crucial tests to ensure the security and privacy of customer information fell behind schedule.

CBS News analysis found that the deadline for final security plans slipped three times from May 6 to July 16. Security assessments to be finished June 7 slid to August 16 and then August 23. The final, required top-to-bottom security tests never got done.

The House Oversight Committee released an Obama administration memo that shows four days before the launch, the government took an unusual step. It granted itself a waiver to launch the website with "a level of uncertainty ... deemed as a high (security) risk."

Agency head Marilyn Tavenner accepted the risk and "mitigation" measures like frequent testing and a dedicated security team. But three other officials signed a statement saying that "does not reduce the risk" of launching October 1.

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That is simply inexcusable, but I'm sure some of you will try.

There is septic code in the basic programing of the web site . They will never find it unless they completely scrap it and start over .

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There is septic code in the basic programing of the web site .

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How do you know? Are you a web developer? Can you give us some clues as how you discovered this?

No... but I've listened to enough programmers over the last month to determine that there is a high degree of probability that there is no quick fix . I obviously did not invent the term . I knew nothing about it in fact until I began looking a little deeper into the challenges faced with fixing it .
Here is one of the sights that speculates about it ,and there are others ;and also IT people who have been on television and radio .
http://siliconangle.com/blog/2013/10...ajor-overhaul/

That article is a good read, thanks, it's written in a different style that most most tech articles.

Budget request denied, Sebelius turns to health executives to finance Obamacare

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The Affordable Care Act included $1 billion to be used in overall implementation of the law. Congressional Budget Office projections, however, estimated that federal agencies will need between $5 billion and $10 billion to get the law up and running over the next decade. And because many states have refused to partner with the federal government in setting up the law, the burden on HHS has grown.

HHS has repeatedly requested additional funds from Congress to assist in the implementing but has been turned down.

After Congress rejected a request in March for nearly $1 billion in additional spending for fiscal 2013, the White House asked for $1.5 billion for fiscal 2015 to set up and run dozens of exchanges that will provide Americans options for health insurance. The new marketplaces will launch in October for open enrollment.

"We requested additional money . . . but we didn't receive any additional funding for the exchanges," Ellen Murray, HHS's assistant secretary for financial resources, said last month at a budget briefing. "So we've had to come up with a Plan B. We've been working very hard to develop that."

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You wingers promised to defund, repeal, delay, obstruct. You kept your word didn't you? Now you blame... well you did that before too.

The root of the problem can be traced to crony capitalism employed by the regime. The article I referenced noted the poor history of the main contractor CGI .

What it doesn't speak of is the crony relationship that Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarrett have with top execs at CGI .

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George Schindler, CGI Group president for U.S. and Canada, became an Obama 2012 campaign donor after his company won the ObamaCare contract, a pattern we've seen in green-energy stimulus money going to companies like Solyndra.

As it happens, the Daily Caller reports that Michelle Obama's college roomie Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of '85, is a senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the no-bid contract to build the $678 million ObamaCare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov.

There may be another Canadian connection as well.

Valerie Jarrett's daughter, Laura, is married to Tony Balkissoon. He is the son of Bas Balkissoon, a member of the Ontario legislature whose jobs have included, among other things, a stint as parliamentary assistant to the minister of Health and Long-Term Care from 2007-10. It's all in the family.

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Did Valerie Jarrett And Michelle Obama Pick ObamaCare Website Developer? - Investors.com

I believe tom touched on this earlier. I'll be waiting on Tal to offer us his greedy profits before people crony capitalism speech after reading this...

Does Hillary Clinton’s Enthusiasm for Profit Extend Beyond Her Own Earnings?

Do you guys ever quit?

CMS taps IT firm CGI for Sunshine Act Data Dump

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The CMS/CGI contract is the most recent addition to what appears to be a strong record of organic growth for CGI Federal, the federal government division of CGI located in Fairfax, Virginia. CGI has been supporting CMS websites like Medicare.gov since 1999, according to CGI's website. In 2004, CGI announced the signing of several CMS contracts totaling over $100 million, and including technical solutions and support for CMS's Health Plan Management System, Fraud Investigation Database, and physician enrollment and identification systems, in addition to maintaining Medicare.gov.

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But don't let a few facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. OR a good LIE, whichever.

Fact is they have lots of close connection with the Obamas...

I seem to remember you among others whining about Cheney having once had anything to do with Haliburton... you should all be having strokes over CGI's insider connections with the White house... if not the fact it was a no-bid deal on its own for that much money.

They also have a subsidiary (Silver Oak Solutions )that operates PRISM for the NSA... How's that for a coincidence ?

The government contracts everything out. Cheney and Halliburton was no coincidence either.

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The government contracts everything out. Cheney and Halliburton was no coincidence either.

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Connecting those two is nothing like Michelle's connections and this no-bid contract, and the same no-bid fix the first screw-up contract. All the same connections.

Why didn't something that expensive go up for bid... there are thousands of companies in the USA who could have done it... and all of them would have done a better job, for a fraction of the cost.

The difference is the Obama's wouldn't have gotten millions in kickbacks.

Who got the kick backs in 1999-2004?

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Wasn't Cheney or Bush...

And incidentally there were only a couple companies big enough or skilled enough to handle projects the size of that... Halliburton was one, if it was power or construction related there is Bechtel... and only a couple others... some of those were not American Companies.

And it wasn't a buddy buddy, disaster like the website... there have been IT professionals who have said for all that the Obamacare website was supposed to do... it could have all been done for less than a Million and they would have felt like they were robbing the government at that price.

I bet Obama owns a lot of stock in CGI... all acquired before they awarded the contract to them without any bids or oversight.

Has the drive by media even investigated that yet? I know the answer...they didn't. Obama gets a free ride on everything . He could be pulling the legs off kittens every day.....in public at press conferences and they would still cover for him.

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Thanks for validating my point.

Your welcome.

Let's see... during a two year period Halliburton's revenue from Defense Department contracts doubled. That would be 1998 -2000 . And why did the Clintonoids prefer Halliburton ? The Goracle's ' National Performance Review 'mentioned Halliburton's performance in its Report on 'Reinventing the Department of Defense,'. In a section titled “Outsourcing of Logistics Allows Combat Troops to Stick to Basics,” His group favorably mentioned Halliburton for providing “basic life support services — food, water, sanitation, shelter, and laundry; and the full realm of logistics services — transportation, electrical, hazardous materials collection and disposal, fuel delivery, airfield and seaport operations, and road maintenance.”

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I believe tom touched on this earlier. I'll be waiting on Tal to offer us his greedy profits before people crony capitalism speech after reading this...

Does Hillary Clinton's Enthusiasm for Profit Extend Beyond Her Own Earnings?

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I don't think this needs much explanation. Politics is also about governments picking winners and losers in the market place. Most smart corporations are careful to make sure both bases are covered. It is the type of cronyism both sides practise.

You don't have to tell me, I know. No one is interested in any arguments dealing with ruling elites.

Tut, some of us acknowledge it is practiced in both sides. Some just rant about the other side doing it.