Yeah we will hand over responsibility to the OPCW . They've done such a fine job doing that anti-proliferation gig. Or even better... hand them over to Russian oversight .
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Yeah we will hand over responsibility to the OPCW . They've done such a fine job doing that anti-proliferation gig. Or even better... hand them over to Russian oversight .
Not just Syria, so is Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Since WE can't go in, WHO should be in charge? You don't like the UN. You don't like the Russians. But, I'm not interested in what you DON'T like. Tell me what you DO like.
I'm for bombing him still.
excon
I say we round up about 20 million illegal latinos from here... and send them over there to keep an eye on things.
Ex relax this is the twenty first century time to solve our problems in a new way. I like the idea of destroying weapons. I know it is counter culture to the US but it is an advanceQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
I'm for not doing anything until and if we know it was Assad that made the call ,or even if it was his forces that were responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Even then I am NOT in favor of supporting the alphabet soup of AQ jihadists that make up the vast majority of the so called Free Syrian Army .
What I am in favor of is supporting the refugees and leaving our assets in Jordon to prop up that nation from a possible spill over .
I am in favor of having the ICC slap Assad with a charge of war crimes and then dare him to leave his country for any reason.
I am in favor of continuing to up the pressure on the Iranians to support their legitimate opposition and to end their development of nuclear weaponry .
I am in favor of exploring the possibilities of cooperation with the Russians in combatting our common enemy.. stateless jihadistan .
I am not in favor of combatting them in one battlefield (Afghanistan) while being their allies on another battlefield (Syria) .
Perhaps the post modern solution is best... that is, the Russians remove the sarin, and the emperor pretends to take credit for it. Before Kerry's convenient throw away line to the reporter ,the Russians dispatched the Nikolai Filchenkov from it's Black Sea fleet .The Filchenkov can carry 300 troops + 1,700 tons of cargo. But what if it sailed empty and has a mission to pick up a special cargo from Syria ?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
They could've done this without Kerry's convenient cover of course under the pretext of keeping the stockpile out of the hands of the US allies... the jihadistist (in fact I think that is exactly the way it was supposed to go down).
The exact size of Syria's arsenal is not known with any precision,But estimates have it to be more than 1,000 tons. That means the Filchenkov could transport the entire cw stockpile on a single trip . Putin would gain prestige by removing the possibility of the arsenal falling into the jihadists hands ;and also by being the political "genious" that solved the current crisis.
I am pretty sure that Kerry's off the cuff comment was in fact a orchestrated event to seize the initiative .
Hello again, tom:
Who cares? It DID seize the initiative. It WON the war WITHOUT firing a shot. How great is that?Quote:
I am pretty sure that Kerry's off the cuff comment was in fact a orchestrated event to seize the initiative .
Excon
Who won what exactly?
Hello again, Steve:
This is not hard. We were about to go to war with Syria over their use of WMD's... But, under the THREAT of being BOMBED, even lightly, Syria decided to RID itself of these WMD's.Quote:
Who won what exactly?
Now, I don't know about you. But, that's a VICTORY for our side. I know its hard for you to give one to Obama, and I'm sure you'll spin it otherwise, but he WON. That's just so.
Excon
Obama is probibly having a meltdown he doesn't get to kill a bunch of people to prove his manhood.
And that Putin stole his thunder yet again... how pathetic is that.
But but... before Putin embraced it... the State Dept wasn't willing to take credit for it . They said Kerry spoke "rhetorically" .
Kerry speaking rhetorically over Syria turning in weapons: State Department | Reuters
Oh, so it's all a done deal, eh? You trust Putin and Assad? I know, you looked in their eyes and got a sense of their souls.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
P.S. It's official, Obama has done a complete reversal and is now going to the formerly "paralyzed" "hocus pocus" at the UN to discuss Putin's proposal. He has now, for the time being at least, backed himself out of a hole - which is apparently what it means to lead from behind.
Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh... It's just begun. But, we're TALKING now, instead of BOMBING. Don't you see the difference?Quote:
Oh, so it's all a done deal, eh?
Excon
Trust but verify, and its only been a day and the reaction of Russia and Syria was to Kerry was to quick to be a snap decision, and they were looking for a face saving way out.
They better use it, while they can, which makes congressional approval of the use of force even more critical in keeping the pressure on Assad, and Russia.
Obama can't put pressure on his own weiner.
Nobody outside the Democrat party takes him serious...
Any more than the mentally unbalanced homelss guy with a loaded gun that lives in the dumpster down the street anyway.
Sort of reminds me of the lyrics to that 60's sitcom F-Troop .Quote:
P.S. It's official, Obama has done a complete reversal and is now going to the formerly "paralyzed" "hocus pocus" at the UN to discuss Putin's proposal. He has now, for the time being at least, backed himself out of a hole - which is apparently what it means to lead from behind
A hero who sneezed abruptly seized
Retreat and reversed it to victory.
Hello again, tom:
I don't care if he stumbled into a victory or planned it out. The VICTORY is all that matters. And, who's to say that it WASN'T all planned out, anyway?
excon
But you WANT to bomb the hell out of them. You were for the war before you were against it?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
You libs are so confusing.
Nothing confusing about it. Yes we are willing to blow the hell out of them, but now we are talking because they don't want the hell blown out of them.
That's not confusing. Really simple.
Breaking News- Un Security Council holding closed door emergency meeting as 4pm E.T.
Mustr be voting on where they are ordering take-out from.
McDonald's just started featuring Mighty Wings yesterday with a choice of nine sauces! I'll bet that's it!Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Could be... Pizza Hut doesn't have their Wing Street Wings on sale until tomorrow (those are actually pretty good) $0.60 each on Wednesdays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
So let's assume that this deal goes through... how is Assad now "punished " for crossing the emperor's 'red line' ? Might I suggest a better idea would be to have a war crimes tribunal established to investigate war crimes from both sides ?
Right, Obama had Assad shaking in his sandals.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
As he was laughing hysterically.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So while Obama, Pelosi and Kerry are now out proclaiming the admin's brilliance Putin is poking them in the eye.
Russia not keen on U.N. Syria resolution: France's Fabius
Yeah, we WON.
The Syria Solution: Obama Got Played by Putin and Assad
Yes he did, so says the tabloid owned by Obama's 2008 digital campaign strategist.
Peggy Noonan gives a preview of the Emperor's address tonight :
Making Sense of Syria - Peggy Noonan's Blog - WSJQuote:
So what will he say? Some guesses.
He will not really be trying to “convince the public.” He will be trying to move the needle a little, which will comfort those who want to say he retains a matchless ability to move the masses. It will make him feel better. And it will send the world the message: Hey, this isn't a complete disaster. The U.S. president still has some juice, and that juice can still allow him to surprise you, so watch it.
He will attempt to be morally compelling and rhetorically memorable. He will probably, like Susan Rice yesterday, attempt to paint a graphic portrait of what chemical weapons do—the children in their shrouds, the suffering parents, what such deaths look like and are. This is not meaningless: the world must be reminded what weapons of mass destruction are, and what the indifference of the world foretells.
He will claim the moral high ground. He will temporarily reserve the use of force and welcome recent diplomatic efforts. He will suggest it was his threat of force that forced a possible diplomatic solution. His people will be all over the airwaves saying it was his deft leadership and steely-eyed threat to use force that allowed for a diplomatic break.
The real purpose of the speech will be to lay the predicate for a retrospective judgment of journalists and, later, historians. He was the president who warned the world and almost went—but didn't go—to war to make a point that needed making.
Get ready for a leak war between Kerry's staff and Hillary Clinton's.
He will mount the podium in a single bound ,his chin jutting ala Mussolini ,and grandly proclaim his monumental blunders to the world in triumphant tones. His head, swiveling majestically the better to read the ghostwritten speech projected on TOTUS . He will gesture to the left and right ,he will deliver focus group tested talking points .And the Slimes will proclaim his magnificence .
All hail Emperor "0"!! He has brought us peace for our time!!
Neville Chamberlain - Peace in our Time - YouTube
You're good.
Nah he just borrowed it
Yeah but it was spot on, except the NY Times didn't give him marks for brilliance. Yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
It's come to this, Putin lecturing America in the NY Times.
Thanks to the emperor America has officially been castrated.
Amazing stuff . Putin is b*tch slapping the emperor worse than Khrushchev did to JFK in Vienna 1961 . But in Kennedy's defense ,this happened in his 1st year . By his 3rd years he stood toe to toe with Khrushchev .
What I don't get is that this Syria gambit by the emperor undermines one of the few foreign policies he has right... the pivot east . I thought he wanted to disengage from the Levant . His 'unbelievably small', 'shot across the bow' ,that is not a 'pin prick', will most likely serve to do the reverse.
Hello again, Steve:Real Americans don't give a sh!t what that commie KGB bastard has to say.Quote:
Thanks to the emperor America has officially been castrated.
If you like what he says so much, why don't you move?
Excon
THe GERMAN intelligence agency has proof it was the Rebels and not ASSAD who used the CHemical weapons...
I thought the Germans were our friends.
Hello wrong wingers:
Only in batsh*tcrazy world, would a rebel force gas THEMSELVES.
Step away from TV. It's ROTTING your brains.
excon
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