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  • Jun 13, 2013, 08:34 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    I would too. I would call it prudent to sift through information supplied by bloggers.

    In fact, I would say that it is prudent to sift through information supplied by all of the media.

    That goes without saying . But there is no denying the fact that the IRS is stonewalling... The truth is that the IRS didn't give a damn about the law when they forwarded the applicants private non-disclosable information to ProPubilica

    IRS Office That Targeted Tea Party Also Disclosed Confidential Docs From Conservative Groups - ProPublica
    This is not just some blogger... ProPublica is a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist site.. . this information was also confirmed by the Inspector General .
    IG: Giving tax info to Pro Publica 'could have been' illegal | The Daily Caller
  • Jun 13, 2013, 08:53 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    ProPublica is a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist site
    Actually it is quite a good non-partisan site.

    It has this investigation as well: Inside Game: Creating PACs and then Spending Their Money - ProPublica

    Quote:


    In August 2008, as the right wing of the Republican Party grew increasingly disenchanted with the party’s direction, the men from Russo, Marsh and Associates sensed opportunity: They created a political action committee, Our Country Deserves Better, and in time launched the Tea Party Express.

    Russo, Marsh—an established California outfit of Republican consultants—was just getting started. The firm formed a second political committee, this one with a pro-military agenda. And eventually, seizing on the President’s unpopularity in certain circles, they opened a third, the Campaign to Defeat Barack Obama.


    Throughout the 2012 election cycle, the committees were relentless. In email after email, they pleaded for small donations to run ads supporting candidates who would defeat President Obama’s “socialist” agenda. And it worked: They collected more than $14 million in donations.

    Yet an examination of the PACs’ expenditures shows they spent a small percentage of the money they raised on work directly aimed at getting candidates elected -- paid ads, say, or contributions to other political committees. Mainly, they paid consultants. And the biggest chunk of that consultant money went to Russo, Marsh and Associates, and people connected to the firm.

    Of the $9.3 million spent by Our Country Deserves Better, more than $3.8 million went to Russo, Marsh and Associates, employees or others connected to the firm. Of the $3.9 million spent by the Campaign to Defeat Barack Obama, $2.4 million went to the firm and its associates. The pro-military Move America Forward Freedom PAC spent almost $143,000. Of that, $92,000 went to the firm and people connected to it.

    In addition to paying Russo, Marsh an assortment of fees, the PACs spent money so its principals could travel well: from almost $1,300 for meals at a fondue restaurant in Ohio on Oct. 18, to more than $50,000 for consultants and staff to occasionally stay at a golf resort on Lake Michigan last fall.

    And the PAC also let its consultants live rather large: $3,500 for “PAC Election Night Headquarters” at a casino-resort in Las Vegas, $3,200 for meals and a meeting at a Mediterranean restaurant in Boston in February 2011, more than $1,000 for parking at LaGuardia Airport in New York in May 2011.

    Barely one-third of the $3.9 million spent by The Campaign to Defeat Barack Obama went to truly focused efforts at electing candidates, but its consultants traveled comfortably: More than $4,500 to stay at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas in June, more than $8,200 to stay at the Paris Las Vegas Hotel in July.
    Maybe they should be audited.
  • Jun 13, 2013, 09:26 AM
    tomder55
    Yeah they do a lot of reports.
  • Jun 14, 2013, 07:15 AM
    tomder55
    FBI is right on this case :
    FBI Director Doesn't Know Who Lead Investigator in IRS Case Is - YouTube!

    Yeah... no stonewalling here !
  • Jun 14, 2013, 07:23 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    Yawwwwwn...

    What? Are you telling me that the IRS is full of a$$holes??

    Yawwwwn again..

    excon
  • Jun 14, 2013, 08:29 AM
    tomder55
    The FBI too ;and the White House Chief of Staff ,and the White House Council . The only other questions is how high up it goes.
  • Jun 14, 2013, 09:02 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Quote:

    the FBI too ;and the White House Chief of Staff ,and the White House Council .The only other questions is how high up it goes.
    Yeah, they're all a$$holes. Obama too. But, I don't care about 'em being a$$holes. I care about 'em being CORRUPT.

    Unless you can prove that - YAWNNN..

    Excon
  • Jun 14, 2013, 09:41 AM
    tomder55
    We have already proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. The only thing left is who takes the fall.
  • Jun 14, 2013, 09:57 AM
    talaniman
    Forgive me if I doubt your shadows and wait for proof.
  • Jun 14, 2013, 11:03 AM
    speechlesstx
    You libs make me laugh. We've had what, 48 threads on a mythical Republican war on women and you can't acknowledge the ADMISSION of corruption that started this whole thing. That sand must taste awfully good.
  • Jun 14, 2013, 11:38 AM
    talaniman
    Been drinking your own Kool Aid again huh? That's a good thing after trying to eat your own sand. At least I hope its sand your eating.
  • Jun 24, 2013, 06:48 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Been drinking your own Kool Aid again huh? That's a good thing after trying to eat your own sand. At least I hope its sand your eating.

    'Tis not I denying an admission of guilt... or running interference for the IRS in an attempt to undermine and shut down the investigation.

    Quote:

    The IRS's Best Friend in Congress

    The House Oversight Committee's investigation into the Internal Revenue Service's discrimination against conservative groups continues—but at least one unenthusiastic member seems to think the committee's work is done.

    Over the objections of Chairman Darrell Issa (R. Calif.), Rep. Elijah Cummings (D. Md.) last week released online the full, 205-page transcript of an interview that committee investigators conducted with an IRS employee in Cincinnati named John Shafer. Mr. Cummings explained that he was compelled to release the Shafer transcript because it explodes Mr. Issa's "conspiracy theories"—chiefly, that the White House played a role in the targeting of conservative groups, and that it was orchestrated out of IRS headquarters in Washington, D.C. In fact, Mr. Issa has never said the former, and much that is known so far about the IRS scandal suggests that the Washington connection is substantial.
    The column goes on to point out how the transcript doesn't actually answer the questions it supposedly answers, but let's hear it for Cummings willingness to take one for the IRS.
  • Jun 24, 2013, 06:56 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Yawwwwn... Let me know when you have a smoking gun... Otherwise, all you got is your flapping gums...

    excon
  • Jun 24, 2013, 07:07 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Yawwwwn.... Lemme know when you have a smoking gun... Otherwise, all you got is your flapping gums...

    excon

    Stay tuned.
  • Jun 25, 2013, 06:00 AM
    smoothy
    http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/up...HighCrimes.png
  • Jun 25, 2013, 06:05 AM
    excon
    Hello again, smoothy:

    Quote:

    Never held accountable
    Sounds like a FAILURE of congress, specifically the Republicans who's job it is to provide OVERSIGHT! Why can't they do their jobs?

    Excon
  • Jun 25, 2013, 06:18 AM
    tomder55
    Would be helpful if the adm wasn't stonewalling every chance they get
  • Jun 25, 2013, 06:36 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    A congressional subpoena ENDS the stonewall, if the Republicans want to use it.. They HAVE some power here. They can COMPEL testimony.. They can JAIL those who don't cooperate.

    Don't you wonder WHY they don't use it? I don't. They don't because there's NO SCANDAL and Issa KNOWS it.

    Yawwwwwwwn..

    excon
  • Jun 25, 2013, 06:50 AM
    tomder55
    Yeah and we've already had a senior IRS official plea the 5th under oath ,and another show absolute contempt for Congress in his testimony. Yeah ,if I was Issa I'd be much tougher .
  • Jun 25, 2013, 06:54 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    I thought you knew how things worked. Congress can subpoena her, give her use immunity, and COMPEL her to tell EVERYTHING she knows. If she refuses, she can be put in the slam..

    That Issa HASN'T done that, says MORE than if he HAD.

    excon
  • Jun 25, 2013, 07:04 AM
    tomder55
    What is shows is the spinelessness of the Repubics under Speaker Bonehead's leadership. You know that if Waxman was the head of the committee ,he'd be gnawing on the bones of the IRS and White House leaders.
  • Jun 28, 2013, 03:01 PM
    paraclete
    Tom have you switched allegiences?
  • Jun 28, 2013, 03:22 PM
    tomder55
    Never did have 'allegiance to the Republic party. I identify with conservatisms, and where the Repubics act like conservatives I support them,and when they don't I oppose.
    Speaker Bonehead has been as much a part of the purge the Tea Party as the Democrats .

    His next test (which he'll probably fail ) will be in the House consideration of SHAMnesty 2.0... aka the Senate Immigration bill that 14 Repubics voted for (including some Tea Party Repubics who I will have a real hard time supporting in the future. But that discussion is worthy of another OP ) .
  • Jun 28, 2013, 05:50 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    never did have 'allegiance to the Repubic party. I identify with conservatisms, and where the Repubics act like conservatives I support them,and when they don't I oppose.
    Speaker Bonehead has been as much a part of the purge the Tea Party as the Democrats .

    His next test (which he'll probably fail ) will be in the House consideration of SHAMnesty 2.0 ...aka the Senate Immigration bill that 14 Repubics voted for (including some Tea Party Repubics who I will have a real hard time supporting in the future. But that discussion is worthy of another OP ) .

    Ah, so you see Tea Party as conservatives rather than radicals. I think the reform of immigration is just a recognition of reality. It would make a real didn't in your economy to round these people up and send them home but you do need to have people come in an orderly manner. We have similar problems, we don't mind refugees who arrive in an orderly manner but these economic migrants who just tax our resources are a pest or a plague
  • Jun 29, 2013, 03:01 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ah, so you see Tea Party as conservatives rather than radicals. I think the reform of immigration is just a recognition of reality. It would make a real dint in your economy to round these people up and send them home but you do need to have people come in an orderly manner. We have similar problems, we don't mind refugees who arrive in an orderly manner but these economic migrants who just tax our resources are a pest or a plague

    The people behind this are looking for a cheap source of labor . Ironically this is the same group that complains about outsourcing jobs because of the labor rates overseas.
    What they are also not telling us is that under Obamacare, businesses with over 50 workers that employ American citizens without offering them qualifying health insurance could be subject to fines of up to $3,000 per worker. But because newly legalized immigrants under the Senate bill wouldn’t be eligible for subsidies on the health care exchanges until after they become citizens(at least 13 years under the Senate bill )businesses could avoid such fines by hiring the former illegals instead ;and refuse to offer them any health insurance .

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...53663613_n.jpg
  • Jun 29, 2013, 03:27 AM
    paraclete
    Well Tom I have been saying the same thing and you have taken umbrage at last you have seen the light
  • Jun 29, 2013, 05:58 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ah, so you see Tea Party as conservatives rather than radicals. I think the reform of immigration is just a recognition of reality. It would make a real dint in your economy to round these people up and send them home but you do need to have people come in an orderly manner. We have similar problems, we don't mind refugees who arrive in an orderly manner but these economic migrants who just tax our resources are a pest or a plague

    The Tea Party is not a bunch of radicals, you have bought into the myth.
  • Jun 29, 2013, 06:54 AM
    NeedKarma
    The Tea Party is funded by big business to be lead to do big business' bidding.
  • Jun 29, 2013, 07:07 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    The Tea Party is funded by big business to be lead to do big business' bidding.

    That's a lie. There isn't even a central organization to fund or operate from and no two groups are exactly alike except in their common goal of low taxes, smaller government and constitutional fidelity.
  • Jun 29, 2013, 07:19 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    smaller government
    Hello again, Steve:

    Let's talk about your "small"government.. First off, you want a pregnancy COP to monitor every pregnancy that happens in this great nation of ours, to INSURE what the GOVERNMENT wants to happen to the girl, is what happens to her... You want to strap her down and shove a thing way up inside her if she wants to seek her LEGAL remedies...

    That's going to take a BIG, unbelievably LARGE government to do..

    Then you got the NSA who you think should be BIGGER, and look DEEPER into American lives... That too, is going to take a HUGE, unbelievably LARGE government to get done... So, let's get rid of THAT plank right off the top..

    And, since we're PROTECTED from those kind of searches BY the Constitution, we can sh1tcan that plank too. I'll concede that the Tea Party wants lower taxes.

    Excon
  • Jun 29, 2013, 08:13 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Let's talk about your "small"government.. First off, you want a pregnancy COP to monitor each and every pregnancy that happens in this great nation of ours, to INSURE what the GOVERNMENT wants to happen to the girl, is what happens to her... You wanna strap her down and shove a thing way up inside her if she wants to seek her LEGAL remedies...

    That's gonna take a BIG, unbelievably LARGE government to do..

    Then you got the NSA who you think should be BIGGER, and look DEEPER into American lives... That too, is gonna take a HUGE, unbelievably LARGE government to get done... So, let's get rid of THAT plank right off the top..

    And, since we're PROTECTED from those kind of searches BY the Constitution, we can sh1tcan that plank too. I'll concede that the Tea Party wants lower taxes.

    excon

    Wow, not even close. You should just ask instead of speaking for me.
  • Jun 29, 2013, 01:00 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    That's a lie.
    Nope:

    Tea Party Funding Koch Brothers Emerge From Anonymity - Peter Fenn (usnews.com)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/op...rich.html?_r=0

    Big Tobacco's Tea Party Ties Exposed | Politics News | Rolling Stone

    The Tea Party movement: deluded and inspired by billionaires | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian

    Who's Raising Money For Tea Party Movement? : NPR
  • Jun 29, 2013, 01:30 PM
    talaniman
    LOL, the TParty is as corrupt and dysfunctional as the rest of us. What a scandal.
  • Jun 30, 2013, 04:14 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    That's a lie. There isn't even a central organization to fund or operate from and no two groups are exactly alike except in their common goal of low taxes, smaller government and constitutional fidelity.

    You are only considering the internal representation of these groups. Not the political mechanism whereby such group interest is realized.
  • Jun 30, 2013, 05:15 AM
    talaniman
    Money rules the TParty like it does any other organization in the country. Even if its SECRET money.
  • Jun 30, 2013, 05:42 AM
    tomder55
    There is no "organization " called "the Tea Party" . They are individual local organizations . In some cases organizations like 'Tea Party Patriots ' and others have received corporate donations no doubt . But they do NOT represent the vast majority of the organizations . There were about 115 of them targeted by the IRS . Why would so many be needed if they were the product of a central organizing foundation ? Even the vast web of Soros controlled groups don't number that many
  • Jun 30, 2013, 06:27 AM
    talaniman
    Well somebody besides Sarah Palin is using them as a national organization and feeding the locals money and advice, and lawyers. This idea they shouldn't be investigated is ridiculous.

    Trust but verify.
  • Jun 30, 2013, 06:50 AM
    tomder55
    They weren't investigated.. Not even close . They were targeted for the purpose of intentionally stalling their applications ,for the purpose of blunting their impact on the 2012 election . That is an undeniable real case of a systematic campaign of voter suppression by the party in power.
  • Jun 30, 2013, 07:16 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:
    Quote:

    That is an undeniable real case of a systematic campaign of voter suppression by the party in power.
    That WOULD be so, IF it happened. Unfortunately for you and Darrel Issa, you can't PROVE that it did. Until then, you're flapping your gums.

    Yawwwwwn.

    Excon
  • Jun 30, 2013, 07:49 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    They weren't investigated .. Not even close . They were targeted for the purpose of intentionally stalling their applications ,for the purpose of blunting their impact on the 2012 election . That is an undeniable real case of a systematic campaign of voter suppression by the party in power.

    That's what Issa said and now looks foolish since he hasn't proved he was right, and actual evidence proves he was wrong so far. We know you guys never quit hollering your victimhood, while you victimize, though.

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