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Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yeah... It costs a LOT of money to adhere to government regulations... On the other hand, we could just let 'em make snake oil and CALL it sunscreen. But, I'd rather have it the way it is.. I LIKE the FDA testing stuff. You guys want to test stuff on your kids?? Don't make sense to me.
excon
50 bucks a bottle coming your way
Most of the approved drugs are experiments on people . In 2008 2.7 million hospital stays and emergency room visits were due to adverse drug reactions.
Snake oil may have a better track record come to think about it. I know I can safety put the mineral zinc oxide on my skin and have better sun protection than the toxic brew they approve.
Because the drug was at fault, or because the patient didn't take it the way he/she was supposed to? -- like my client Heather who would take the entire day's worth of prescribed depression/OCD/HBP meds at one time before bed (they were supposed to be spaced out throughout the day), promptly threw up, and then cursed the medical community.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Or like my wife, who endured a litany of expensive tests, months of stress and agony to find out why she was swollen like a balloon only to discover it was a drug reaction.
By the same token ;you could improperly apply sunscreen exposing your skin to hamful UVs .
WG ;how many approved drugs have later been removed from the market ? Humans are very often the Guinea Pig .
Let's go to nutrition which is the basis of this op.
What is the latest consensus on salt ?The Journal of The American Medical Association published in May a study that concluded that that as salt intake went up, cardiovascular deaths went down. In other words ;lowering your salt intake increases your risk of heart disease.
So , at very least the consensus is divided (my own opinion is that bleached process salts are the culprit if there is any adverse effect of salt intake) .
Why should the nanny state then attempt and make law to control people's salt intake if there is no conclusive evidence about it being harmful ?
That's the fault of her doctor (not the drug), not to recognize a drug reaction. How many other patients have had the same bad reaction? Has the drug been taken off the market?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Which study does one believe? Which study has been done correctly? Who has been tested? How often?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Do consumers ever read those papers that a pharmacist gives with each prescription?
then what value is labelling specs that the FDA spent 3 decades finalizing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Darn it, should have just asked you since you obviously know all about the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
If doctors weren't forced to cover every base due to this litigious society and shark lawyers, they could be doctors again.
Actually, I went through a similar thing with an IV solution I was given, but the doctor jumped right on it and saved my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Ever listen to one of those drug ads on TV, or read all the caveats on magazine pages?Quote:
[If doctors weren't forced to cover every base due to this litigious society and shark lawyers, they could be doctors again.
Not every situation is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Really?Quote:
Ever listen to one of those drug ads on TV, or read all the caveats on magazine pages?
Hi Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Without actually seeing the report I would think the conclusion is not that simple. You are correct when you say there is no direct link between salt intake and cardiovascular disease. Salt intake and cardiovascular disease will probably never show a direct link. This is because there are far too many contributing factors. At best I would say that scientists would claim that salt is a contributing factor in exactly the same way as lack of exercise is a contributing factor. Another example would be the physical make up of each individual. Some people are able to tolerate higher levels of salt.
What would normally happen is the relevant authorities would isolated the contributing factors. Some success can be obtained by banning salt. In other words, they can control at least one contributing factor.
The government cannot regulate for exercise. The best they can hope for is to encourage people to do more exercise. In summary, it is the wide spread regulation of, 'the dooable' contributing factors that gives the impression of nanny state bans.
Tut
Tut
Quite the contrary ,they found a link between low salt intake and increased risk of cardiovascular disease. I think the real culprit is processed bleaching of salt which replaces valuable nutrients in salt ,and replaces it with cr@p like anti-caking ingredients.Quote:
You are correct when you say there is no direct link between salt intake and cardiovascular disease...
What would normally happen is the relevant authorities would isolated the contributing factors. Some success can be obtained by banning salt. In other words, they can control at least one contributing factor.
For this op though the government is attempting to control salt intake when there is no conclusive proof it does any good . It is just a power grab.
Hi Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
As far as the consensus being divided? I would suggest that it is far from divided if only because more studies have been done on the adverse outcomes of a high salt diet. This does not mean to say that in the future low salt studies won't confirm some type of strong link with heart disease. It is just the way governments do business.
Governments can't sit on their hands forever waiting for results on alternative studies. Governments tend to act on what is before them. If in the future high salt diets decrease the risk of heart disease then the appropriate legislation will be put in place.
It is not a power grab. With respect. Tom, you worry about conspiracies where they are none.
Tut
You don't live in NY... indeed it is a power grab by a soft tyranny .
Yeah that's what governments do... and thalidomide is the result.Quote:
Governments can't sit on their hands forever waiting for results on alternative studies. Governments tend to act on what is before them.
Hi Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I agree with you. I am sorry if I have offended you in any way. I will withdraw from the discussion. I will also delete my other post on climate change.
Best wishes
Tut
Well put it this way... I am buying up incandescent bulbs as fast as my budget will allow because I refuse to convent to those ridiculous and dangerous mercury filled CFL bulbs that the nanny state government in it's infinite wisdom will mandate next year .
This will at least buy me the time to work out the logistics of conversion to LED illumination for my home .
Conversion to LED is easy Tom you just pay twice as much as CFL which are about ten times the price of incandescent but I tell you that I haven't changed a light bulb since I converted but I do need to upgrade some of the bulbs which are a little dim on startup. I still have all my old incandescents in reserve, I shouldn't need any light bulbs for yonks and that goes for a lot of other people so I expect the incandescent manufacturers in Asia will be out of business soonQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Those darn South Carolinians may be challenging that incandescent ban with the South Carolina Incandescent Light Bulb Freedom Act.
And those CFL's? Turns out their energy savings are 73% less than anticipated and something I already knew from experience, the burnout rate is higher than expected.
Good news, the nanny state has decided which images designed to make you vomit, to place on cigarette packs next year.
Next up, really fat naked people on bags of potato chips.
Hello Steve:
Since when did you become so PC? Wassa matter, you want to PRETEND that smoking is good for you?? Don't you think it's FAIR that the person who smokes should KNOW what the drug he is consuming is doing? Is keeping it SECRET doing anybody any good??
Oh, that's right... The tobacco companies love it.. I don't know why you righty's support those merchants of death. Do you own stock?
excon
I don't know what stock I own, but having shares in mutual funds, probably.
Dude, I've never supported smoking bans or red light cameras and I think it's stupid to force 13 year old kids to ride in car seats. I don't need a nanny, do you?
Finally, the truth comes out. The First Lady, nutrition czar, wife of the man who's administration is banning potatoes for poor people on government programs - admits her favorite food is french fries. Atta girl...
With examples like that and your chili dog loving hubby, childhood obesity will be vanquished in no time!Quote:
Michelle Obama: 'I can't stop eating French fries. But eat your vegetables.'
By: Byron York | Chief Political Correspondent Follow Him @ByronYork | 06/23/11 3:47 PM
During her visit to South Africa, First Lady Michelle Obama stopped by the University of Cape Town for an event with young people. She told the audience how she came from modest circumstances and was able to attend top schools and build a career at a big law firm, saying they too can achieve their dreams if they try hard enough. After her speech, she was asked a series of soft questions like, "What advice can you give the youth today?" But at the end of the session, one young person in the audience asked Mrs. Obama, who has devoted much of her time in the White House to promoting nutrition and healthy eating, what her favorite foods are.
"My favorite?" Obama said. "Oh, this is a tough one. "It is tough, you know, because if I say something not healthy, people will be, like, you aren't really committed to health. If I say something healthy, you know -- I do -- honestly, I like all kinds of foods."
Obama mentioned Indian food, and then Mexican food, and then said: "No, if I picked one favorite, favorite food, it's French fries." The audience began to laugh. "Okay? It's French fries," Obama continued. "I can't stop eating them." As the students laughed more, the First Lady quickly returned to her role as advocate of health eating. "But eat your vegetables," she said, to still more laughs. "And exercise."
Yup, you can tell by how the Obama family looks that they pig out on fries and other bad stuff all the time. Oh, and you didn't bold the "vegetables" part of what she said.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
My post, I'll emphasize what I want to emphasize. So the nutritionist in chief telling kids to "do as I say and not as I do" is OK with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
That's the second time in this thread that someone has defended the Obama's hypocrisy and poor example for children, but I'm not surprised. You know how kids are, they see someone telling them one thing and modeling something else. They aren't hearing "eat your vegetables, they see role models eating chili dogs and fries.
I can unemphasize it when I quote you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
And that's all they see, him eating chili dogs and fries. No WH garden, no wife talking about the foods the family eats. Just chili dogs and fries. Why not bring up his former smoking habit too?
Nah, you can divert but you can't unemphasize it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I thought about it, but the chili dogs and fries are current bad habits.Quote:
And that's all they see, him eating chili dogs and fries. No WH garden, no wife talking about the foods the family eats. Just chili dogs and fries. Why not bring up his former smoking habit too?
A habit is something done frequently. How often does he eat chili dogs and fries per week?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Here is at least one menu that they did give access to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
White House Super Bowl Menu: Obama's Beer & Food Lineup
What did you eat at your Superbowl party? Or 4th of July picnic? Or Christmas Eve nosh? Or New Year's Eve party? Or on Thanksgiving?Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
Steak and baked macaroni and cheese and salad :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Washed down with a Carona.
Not plain yogurt and water?Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
Why would I want to eat that ? Part of living life is partaking in the flavor it has to offer. If they are that worried about a child being healthy then they should bring back games at recess and allow for sports to be played during P.E. periods instead of cutting out those programs. Kids today need to put away the game controlers and get outside more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
"They" ARE worried, and that's exactly what's happening -- bringing back...Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
I don't begrudge them their chilidogs ;fries ,devil burgers .To me it's the most normal thing I've seen from them.
The way I see it ;the left gets a lot of fun out of pointing out hypocrisy of the family values crowd who get caught with their pants down. Same here . I love seeing them stuffing ice cream cones in their face while preaching that we eat brussel sprouts.
It's FLOTUS' Marie Antoinette moment .
Dairy Queen doesn't sell Brussels sprouts, but they are in the WH garden. Have you ever had any?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Brussel sprouts ? Yeah can't stand them . I tried ;I really did . I'm part Irish and can't stand cabbage either unless it's pickled into slaw or kraut.
I even grew them in my garden last year until the ground hog destroyed the crop.
I've tried them sauteed ,grilled ,roasted ,in a salad ,all types of ways.. The closest I came to actually liking them is smothered in au gratin.
Aaaaaaah, Brussels sprouts in a butter or cheese sauce. Nirvana!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I'll bet you hate asparagus and broccoli too -- and cauliflower.
Every so often I get a craving for Brussel sprouts - I can't explain it. There must be a nutrient in them that my body knows it needs, but hasn't reached my consciousness. I eat them for a week then, nutritionally satisfied, they're off the menu for another year or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I wonder what it is about New York pizza that causes the same craving? This one occurs almost daily.
Vitamins A and C. My kids wouldn't eat them until we grew them in our garden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
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