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  • Jan 11, 2015, 05:22 AM
    paraclete
    ISIS has a longer reach than we think
    Every little jihadist thinks that it is popular to have an ISIS connection here is the latest

    Paris supermarket siege: Gunman Amedu Coulibaly appears in posthumous video declaring allegiance to Islamic State


    They are among us

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/sydne...11-12lyte.html

    And by the way Boko Haram now fly the ISIS flag
  • Jan 11, 2015, 07:20 AM
    tomder55
    Boko Horan also is responsible for the deaths of possibly 2000 this week .They cut a swath burning villages and massacring the inhabitants . That didn't make the major news .
    Boko Haram burns 16 villages, leaving 2,000 feared dead | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour
  • Jan 11, 2015, 07:22 AM
    tickle
    It made our major news in Canada. Why not yours ?
  • Jan 11, 2015, 08:20 AM
    tomder55
    Paris was more compelling ; some of the news outlets were covering the Air Asia crash almost non-stop .... the lame stream is all atwitter over the possibility of Jeb Bush running in the GOP race for President ; and the emperor went on a campaign tour touting his plan for 'free' Junior college . Today the NY Slimes leads with a report that using a tanning machine is dangerous. Then there was Prince Andrew hanging out with a pedophile (with only a brief note that Bubba Clinton also took many trips down to the sex slave island with Jeffrey Epstein .Evita is livid because it hurts her chances in 2016. )
  • Jan 11, 2015, 01:37 PM
    paraclete
    Karma you know there is no major news in the US unless it involves someone in the US, they were only interested in Ebola because a citizen cought it and brought it home. The whole world is up in solidarity against terrorism and the US just isn't interested but they will expect us to sympathise when it happens to them. If they could get their heads out of their constant electoral cycle they might discover democracy
  • Jan 11, 2015, 01:48 PM
    tomder55
    so you agree with me that the US media is lame. I will note that no one else brought up the massacre . You Clete appeared to be more concerned about the color of the flag they fly .
  • Jan 11, 2015, 02:19 PM
    paraclete
    I posted a piece on the massacre, Tom, in a separate thread but since it wasn't US news it was ignored, but it doesn't matter since I notice we weren't interested in Syria either until ISIS invaded Iraq and then we were only concerened about what name we called them by. I hate hyprocracy, Tom, and I observe that life has different values according to how far away people are dying and who they are. Kill a black in america and it is a national disgrace, kill a black in africa and who cares
  • Jan 19, 2015, 08:51 PM
    paraclete
    The Kurds have made progress in Korbane, this is surely cause for a small celebration
  • Jan 20, 2015, 10:30 AM
    tomder55
    yes a very small one until we think of the task still at hand

    ISIS execute 13 football fans for watching Iraq play Jordan on TV | Daily Mail Online

    until the free world understands that we need a WWII type effort against these scum then our celebrations will be very small .
  • Jan 20, 2015, 01:36 PM
    paraclete
    Really Tom a WWII effort against a few thousand militants scattered over Syria and Iraq. I do agree it needs a boots on the ground coordinated action using experienced troops and a take no prisoners attitude but we don't want to get back into the sort of thing that Iraq was. ISIS must have supply lines, we need to ensure they cannot be used. Perhaps we should concentrate on a major victory to demoralise them such as retaking Mosul.
  • Jan 20, 2015, 05:59 PM
    tomder55
    where do you think their supply lines flow from. President Bush was right that there are state enablers . (hint : it leads from NATO territory )
  • Jan 20, 2015, 06:24 PM
    paraclete
    Well Tom I have little doubt they flow through Turkey and Lebanon and I wouldn't have doubted they flowed through Iraq until recently, fact is I wouldn't be surprised if many NATO members enabled them in the past as part of their proxy war and certainly Saudi and the Gulf would have. I expect those old desert caravan routes got a work out as well as more sophisticated methods. Surely if every nation stopped supplying ammunition into Syria the war would grind to a hault.
  • Jan 21, 2015, 05:08 AM
    tomder55
    thus a WWII type effort . for the Islamic State or against it .
  • Jan 21, 2015, 05:17 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    President Bush was right
    The one that allowed over 3,000 of your fellow americans to be killed on your soil from the terrorists in your largest city and your capital? Sorry if I don't follow your blind devotion to him. Best to stick with the decisions from President Obama who has protected you from this for the past 7 years.
  • Jan 21, 2015, 06:48 AM
    paraclete
    I'm not sure what you think Bush was right about, he was certainly right that AQ was a threat that needed to be neutralised, but his methods meant he succeeded to lessen one threat and gain more enemies. AQ and islamic militants are like the mythical hydra, cut off one head and two more grow. He cut off a head in Afghanistan and got others in Iraq, Syria and Yemen, with affiliates in Somalia and the Megreb, and he never successfully dealt with the Taliban. On balance I would say he was right about it being a long war.
  • Jan 22, 2015, 08:45 AM
    talaniman
    Its like multiple fires with one fire engine. Now Bonehead and Neti want to start another fire with Iran so Neti can be re elected in Israel. Of course Neti want no kind of deal with the US and Iran, he wants the US to nuke the Iranians, and Bonehead just wants to poke Obama in the eye.
  • Jan 22, 2015, 08:46 AM
    tomder55
    read it slowly : " President Bush was right that there are state enablers "
  • Jan 22, 2015, 08:52 AM
    talaniman
    It no secret that the sheiks (or PM's, or whatever state leaders call themselves) have their own agendas, and profit by funding their own mercenaries to keep things in chaos.
  • Jan 22, 2015, 01:44 PM
    paraclete
    Well it seems we are all agreed that this is a proxy war like so many before it and maybe with a reverse twist of Israel trying to get the US to fight its war for them.
  • Jan 22, 2015, 02:09 PM
    paraclete
    Hyperbole or fact
    According to John Kerry the Coalition has killed thousands of ISIS fighters. Whilst such a statistic is cause for celebration, any gains against ISIS have been hard won and the question is, is this fact? Has ISIS capability been significantly degraded? If so the coalition should move swiftly to destroy them

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