The facts are you get what you deserve so if you just accept what you are told and don't check you will be deceived.

Who knows if Romney really can bring a different approach, we are now four years on from a catastrophy, so you either stay the course or go off at a tangent. What you would like to do and what you can do are often very different. Obama couldn't have anticipated the impact of the Gulf oil crisis, it put a big didn't in the recovery, same with Afghanistan, who would have thought four years ago that would still be going on. Hell, he is still talking to Iran the way GWB was, no change there. Running another gunboat up the river isn't going to solve that

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That's what all the unrepentant liars say!

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I've already proved Team O lied about Al Qaeda and the Benghazi attacks (which is probably why our Press Secretary hasn't had a press briefing for over two weeks).

So where did Romney lie during the debate, which is their latest excuse for Obama getting thoroughly thrashed?

FYI...

BREAKING: Suffolk Polling Gives Florida, Virginia and North Carolina to ROMNEY – Will stop polling in these states!

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So where did Romney lie during the debate, which is their latest excuse for Obama getting thoroughly thrashed?

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Mitt Romney tells 533 lies in 30 weeks, Steve Benen documents them

At Last Night's Debate: Romney Told 27 Myths In 38 Minutes | ThinkProgress

The First Debate: Mitt Romney's Five Biggest Lies | Politics News | Rolling Stone

Fact Check: Romney's comparison of past, present Navy pointless - CNN.com

FACT CHECK: Romney spins one-sided story on trade, defense cuts in foreign policy speech - The Washington Post

Fact-checking the Romney campaign | Bluffton Today

Fact Checking the Presidential Debate in Denver - ABC News

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I don't find anything at all odd about people being enthusiastic. It's not a strictly American phenomenon.

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So does this mean that such things as the so-called 'war on women' and attacks on the First Amendment are nothing more than a little bit of 'enthusiasm' on the part of the other side?


Tut

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Mitt Romney tells 533 lies in 30 weeks, Steve Benen documents them

At Last Night's Debate: Romney Told 27 Myths In 38 Minutes | ThinkProgress

The First Debate: Mitt Romney's Five Biggest Lies | Politics News | Rolling Stone

Fact Check: Romney's comparison of past, present Navy pointless - CNN.com

FACT CHECK: Romney spins one-sided story on trade, defense cuts in foreign policy speech - The Washington Post

Fact-checking the Romney campaign | Bluffton Today

Fact Checking the Presidential Debate in Denver - ABC News

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The first is irrelevant to the question I asked and out of the actual news sources that aren't overtly partisan opinion pieces you have some spin. On both sides. Nice try.

Hello again, Steve:

I have a little lie that Romney told.. If I TELL you about it, though, you'll deny it's a lie, and you'll tell me about Obama's lies...

I'm not going to participate. I just HOPE the country's electorate is smart enough to pick the right guy.

Here's LIE you can tell. If Romney wins, he's going to appoint at least ONE right wing Supreme Court Justice, and that'll spell the END to Roe v Wade. Now, I know you don't understand the mechanics of the law, but take MY word for it, an abortion case WILL, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY work it's way to the high court.

I've heard you say, that if presented with an opportunity to END the HATED abortion, YOU say they'll blink.

Tell me again. I LOVE that story..

excon

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So does this mean that such things as the so-called 'war on women' and attacks on the First Amendment are nothing more than a little bit of 'enthusiasm' on the part of the other side?


Tut

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Again as with NK's complain, fact vs. fiction. The "war on women" is entirely manufactured to propagate that siege mentality. An ultrasound bill is not a "war on women." Voting against the redundant Lily Ledbetter Act is not a "war on women." Not wanting to pay for contraceptives for Sandra Fluke, a graduate from a school whose grads start at over $150k, is not a "war on women."

Perhaps you recall George Stephanopoulos' gotcha question at the New Hampshire Republican primary debate.

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Stephanopoulos, a former senior advisor in the administration of Democratic President Bill Clinton, asked Romney if he believes “states have the right to ban contraception — or is that trumped by a constitutional right to privacy?”

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Does anyone remember Romney's answer (I know, NK will say he lied)?

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“You’re asking — given the fact that there’s no state that wants to do so, and I don’t know of any candidate that wants to do so — you’re asking could it constitutionally be done?” Romney asked, with a hint of incredulity.

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No state wants to ban contraceptives, no candidate wanted to ban contraceptives, yet this was the question asked followed by months of fear mongering about how Republicans want to take us back to the dark ages.

And FYI, I'm sure he's just lying again but Romney said there would be no abortion legislation if elected.

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So what's the beef? The only "war on women" by Republicans is in the left's imagination.

On the other hand, the attack on the first amendment is real. When this administration unilaterally forces religious employers to violate their beliefs or cease their ministry as it is it's no joke. Ex and Tal can whine all they want about how churches shouldn't be a business but I've more than proven the church was into medicine and education long before the government intruded, and I would imagine you already knew that.

Why would Romney go totally against his deep held religious beliefs?

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Why would Romney go totally against his deep held religious beliefs?

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Why would Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi? We're electing a president, not a pastor.

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We're electing a president, not a pastor.

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In Romney's case it would be both.

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And FYI, I'm sure he's just lying again but Romney said there would be no abortion legislation if elected.

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Hello again, Steve:

Ok, I guess maybe I DO need to explain the mechanics of the court... I BELIEVE Romney.. There will be NO legislation banning abortion or contraceptives... But, there's enough legislation out there for a case to be challenged in court, and for it to work it's way up to the Supreme Court...

Let's just take some of the recently enacted laws that require abortion clinics to have so many nails per square foot, and so many parking places per visitor... I'm NOT quoting the law exactly, of course, but the intent of these laws is to CLOSE down abortion clinics.. Let's say THAT law will be challenged in court, as I'm SURE it will be.

Now, the law, of course, deals with nails and parking places for buildings. It's NOT about abortion, per se - or IS IT? Now, you'd think that the Supreme Court would be limited, therefore, to ruling on nails and parking places... But, that ISN'T how the law works..

I submit, that with a NEW right wing justice, when THAT case, and THAT case alone, hits the Supreme Court, it will give them an opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade...

You say, when GIVEN that opportunity, they'll blink. I cannot imagine where you get that notion. Assuming you believe me, and maybe you don't, but you can't use the excuse that they'll NEVER even HAVE the OPPORTUNITY to overturn it. The truth is, they'll have AMPLE opportunity.

excon

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In Romney's case it would be both.

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Obviously you based that on his record as governor and money-grubbing CEO.

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Hello again, Steve:

Ok, I guess maybe I DO need to explain the mechanics of the court... I BELIEVE Romney.. There will be NO legislation banning abortion or contraceptives... But, there's enough legislation out there for a case to be challenged in court, and for it to work it's way up to the Supreme Court...

Let's just take some of the recently enacted laws that require abortion clinics to have so many nails per square foot, and so many parking places per visitor... I'm NOT quoting the law exactly, of course, but the intent of these laws is to CLOSE down abortion clinics.. Let's say THAT law will be challenged in court, as I'm SURE it will be.

Now, the law, of course, deals with nails and parking places for buildings. It's NOT about abortion, per se - or IS IT? Now, you'd think that the Supreme Court would be limited, therefore, to ruling on nails and parking places... But, that ISN'T how the law works..

I submit, that with a NEW right wing justice, when THAT case, and THAT case alone, hits the Supreme Court, it will give them an opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade...

You say, when GIVEN that opportunity, they'll blink. I cannot imagine where you get that notion. Assuming you believe me, and maybe you don't, but you can't use the excuse that they'll NEVER even HAVE the OPPORTUNITY to overturn it. The truth is, they'll have AMPLE opportunity.

excon

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I think your response would be promoting that "siege mentality" Tut mentioned. You really seem to be wasting a lot of time this year worrying about conspiracies instead of reality.

Hello again, Steve:

One of us is deluded, that's for sure.

excon

You should also put an as optiln lol romeny's an idiot and obama cool's or allow more options. Romeny might be but obam's better and is a good president but people needs to know that he can't fix everything on his own and some of his good attempts have been blocked. He also just can't on focus one one section and yes I'm Canadian

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Hello again, Steve:

One of us is deluded, that's for sure.

excon

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Dude, it ain't me.

Let me add to the mythical Democrat wars to create a siege mentality... the war on Sesame Street. WaPo gives that 4 Pinocchios.

Team O is pretty desperate.

I guess they must be, with Mittens big lead and assured win.

They kept Biden secluded for 6 days to prep for tonights debate .