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Originally Posted by paraclete

i don't get you guys' you are debating an issue that has been put to rest, now you hve some of the health care you should have enjoy it and strive to do better, take the vested interests out of service provision

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For one I don't like bald-faced liars and this whole Obamacare debacle has been one bald-faced lie after another. He flat out said the goal was single payer in 2007, then had the chutzpah to tell us if we liked our insurance we could keep it. Well that's not going to happen, and I would much rather take my chances in a free market than with the government managing my health. I mean hey, they've done so well with the debt and the deficit, the stimulus, green energy investments and the economy and all.

Hello again, Steve:

Apparently, you have the voters support. So, I say, repeal it if you can. Vote for Romney...

Santorum was right about ONE thing, though. Romney is the WORST of the Republican candidates to carry the torch AGAINST Obamacare. But, you guys chose him. Now you got to live with him.

excon

Hello again, wrongwingers:

Help me out here... IF the poor are getting their health care at the emergency room, and you say they are, then you and I are PAYING the bill... That situation doesn't seem like it would be tolerable to MOST right wingers, but you seem to think it's great.. Why is that? Even though I don't happen to BE a right winger, I don't like paying for "free riders". What's the matter with you?

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, wrongwingers:

Help me out here... IF the poor are getting their health care at the emergency room, and you say they are, then you and I are PAYING the bill... That situation doesn't seem like it would be tolerable to MOST right wingers, but you seem to think it's great.. Why is that? Even though I don't happen to BE a right winger, I don't like paying for "free riders". What's the matter with you?

excon

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One minute you say the "general welfare" includes not "Dying because you can't afford to see a doctor. Going bankrupt because you can't pay your medical bills. Going hungry, or going without shelter." Now you don't want to pay for free riders? What the..

I guess we agree then that we need welfare reform and get some of those lazy "free riders" off the taxpayer dole instead of adding millions more.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Now you don't want to pay for free riders? What the...?

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Hello again, Steve:

I guess you really don't understand the law.

Here's the deal, Steve. When a guy with NO insurance goes to the emergency room, it costs YOU & ME many thousands of $$$$'s. If, however, you and I subsidize his INSURANCE, then when he gets sick, it only costs hundreds.

It's simple math. What I don't understand, is why you support paying the HIGHER amount for the same thing you could be getting for a LOWER amount.. THAT is where your conservatism confuses me.

excon

Meanwhile you guys have this: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/mobile...ls-678346.html
So sad.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Meanwhile you guys have this: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/mobile...ls-678346.html
So sad.

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Meanwhile, you have this.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

I guess you really don't understand the law.

Here's the deal, Steve. When a guy with NO insurance goes to the emergency room, it costs YOU & ME many thousands of $$$$'s. If, however, you and I subsidize his INSURANCE, then when he gets sick, it only costs hundreds.

It's simple math. What I don't understand, is why you support paying the HIGHER amount for the same thing you could be getting for a LOWER amount.. THAT is where your conservatism confuses me.

excon

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Apparently you haven't done the constantly evolving, ever increasing "simple math" of Obamacare.

P.S. I don't much care for the idea of lowering the quality of health care for everyone. That's the problem with liberalism, it doesn't foster success, it drags us all down.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Meanwhile, you have this.

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I'm quite certain they are not a rich country.
The problems there are exacerbated by a fanatical religious group in charge of the country. It is also very sad.

I get you are a bigheart that hates to see others suffer, but show the same charity at home as you do others abroad. At least understand in your heart, and don't blame others for taking care of home in their own CHARITABLE way!

To put down your own poor, is judgemental!!

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Apparently you haven't done the constantly evolving, ever increasing "simple math" of Obamacare.

P.S. I don't much care for the idea of lowering the quality of health care for everyone. That's the problem with liberalism, it doesn't foster success, it drags us all down.

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You have done the math?? I doubt it, I doubt you have even read the bill!

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I'm quite certain they are not a rich country.

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And we are, our poor tend to fare pretty well so cry me a river for the those living off less than a dollar a day, not the guy struggling to pay for both his iPhone and Xbox Live membership.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And we are, our poor tend to fare pretty well so cry me a river for the those living off of less than a dollar a day, not the guy struggling to pay for both his iPhone and Xbox Live membership.

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Yea, that stupid lady with the cancer treatments she can't pay for, what a loser she is eh? I guess she should just die. You should jump in that thread and ask her about her Xbox and iPhone.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Yea, that stupid lady with the cancer treatments she can't pay for, what a loser she is eh? I guess she should just die. You should jump in that thread and ask her about her Xbox and iPhone.

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Let's be clear, those are your words, not mine. You're so concerned with her then you jump right in and do something instead of pushing her off on me. See, that's how it works in my world, I help who I can and who I want, but I don't push them off on someone else. That's what the left does.

And when you need help, speechless?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Harshness warning

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LOL, if you think that was harsh then wait 'til football season.

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You have done the math?? I doubt it, I doubt you have even read the bill!

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The CBO keeps doing the math and it keeps increasing. So far it's almost doubled. Fact.

Have you read the bill? You've read the 2000 plus pages of government legalese? How about the hundreds if not thousands of pages (I think it's up to 4000 pages of code so far) of code written since its passage?

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LOL, if you think that was harsh then wait 'til football season.



The CBO keeps doing the math and it keeps increasing. So far it's almost doubled. Fact.

Have you read the bill? You've read the 2000 plus pages of government legalese? How about the hundreds if not thousands of pages (I think it's up to 4000 pages of code so far) of code written since its passage?

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And let's not forget the decrees from Kommisar Sebelius .

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And when you need help, speechless?

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That would be God, but otherwise they're called friends. Running to the government for help would and should be the last resort, not the first.

And if those friends aren't there after all?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And if those friends aren't there after all?

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I forgot family as well. But I repeat, running to the government for help would and should be the last resort, not the first.