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  • Mar 9, 2023, 05:37 AM
    tomder55
    International Woman's day
    Yesterday ,to honor women ;Clueless Joe gave a award to a man.

    Alba Ruida is a biological male transformer . He was given the 2023 'Woman of Courage ' award .

    In the Great White North ,Justin Trudeau marked the day by proclaiming “trans women are women” .

    I tend to agree with Tulsi Gabbard on this issue.

    If we really want to celebrate #InternationalWomensDay, the most important thing to do is recognize that women exist and are biologically different from men. We as women are not an imaginary construct in someone’s mind. Unless we speak up about this obvious truth, women will be erased as an entire category of peopleTulsi Gabbard 🌺 on Twitter: "If we really want to celebrate #InternationalWomensDay, the most important thing to do is recognize that women exist and are biologically different from men. We as women are not an imaginary construct in someone’s mind. Unless we speak up about this obvious truth, women will be…" / Twitter
  • Mar 9, 2023, 06:52 AM
    jlisenbe
    Good post. I copied this one to FB.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 10:24 AM
    Wondergirl
    Just because you LOOK LIKE a male below the waist when naked doesn't mean you ARE one. There more to being male than the physical appearance.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 10:34 AM
    jlisenbe
    Well, there would be your sex chromosomes. His are XY, which makes him a man, a man from the very moment of conception.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 10:37 AM
    Wondergirl
    What are his reasons?
  • Mar 9, 2023, 10:44 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Well, there would be your sex chromosomes. His are XY, which makes him a man, a man from the very moment of conception.

    How do you know?
  • Mar 9, 2023, 10:52 AM
    jlisenbe
    Uhm...well, let's see here. Ole Alba was born a man (not named "Alba" then) with male sex organs BECAUSE he had XY sex chromosomes. That's kind of how it works, you see.

    Read this very carefully if you want to continue this. Educate yourself.

    https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article...Y%20chromosome.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 11:07 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Uhm...well, let's see here. Ole Alba was born a man (not named "Alba" then) with male sex organs BECAUSE he had XY sex chromosomes. That's kind of how it works, you see.

    Read this very carefully if you want to continue this. Educate yourself.

    https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article...Y%20chromosome.

    Obviously, he WAS NOT born with XY sex chromosomes. And something else was going on with hormones.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 11:12 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Obviously, he WAS NOT born with XY sex chromosomes.
    You are seriously suggesting that a boy born with male genitalia only did not have an XY chromosomal pair? I'm trying to give you an out on this before you go down a looney trail.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 11:15 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You are seriously suggesting that a boy born with male genitalia only did not have an XY chromosomal pair? I'm trying to give you an out on this before you go down a looney trail.

    Yes, he could have Klinefelter Syndrome.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 11:37 AM
    jlisenbe
    The odds are about 1000 to 1 against it, but even at that, he would STILL have XY chromosomes, just having an additional X or Y chromosome. These individuals are STILL MEN. So you are wrong on both counts.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 11:43 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    But even at that, these individuals are STILL MEN. So you are wrong on both counts.

    Not true. My good friend, a medical person, has gone through this. She is a beautiful woman. She was a DES baby with more estrogen than testosterone.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 11:48 AM
    jlisenbe
    Another old wives tale. When you are wrong on the science, as you are now, you always appeal to a story about a person you supposedly know.

    Please, please educate yourself. "Klinefelter syndrome is a genetic condition that results when a boy is born with an extra copy of the X chromosome. Klinefelter syndrome is a genetic condition affecting males, and it often isn't diagnosed until adulthood."

    Klinefelter Syndrome. - Search (bing.com)

    Once you learn something, come back. And lest that sound a little testy, I can only plead as to how this is an ongoing pattern that gets kind of old.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 12:05 PM
    Wondergirl
    That's right about KS. She suffered awfully through childhood and her teens, until finally....

    She is a member of the smallest minority section of trans people.

    Plus, the DES pulled the nail out of the male coffin.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 12:21 PM
    jlisenbe
    Not content to be wrong once, you bring up the already discredited DES fairytale so you can be wrong twice. Wonder what the third one will be?
  • Mar 9, 2023, 12:23 PM
    tomder55
    Let's face facts ;biological women are being marginalized by the woke agenda . They think it is perfectly acceptable for a biological male transformer to whoop on a woman in athletics and to get awarded where women rightly got recognized in the past .
    In the last year Ruida gets the Women of Courage award ;Rachel Levine the USA Today's Woman of the Year ;Lia Thomas nominated for the 2022 NCAA Woman of the Year ;Fae Johnstone the Hershey's International Women’s Day honoree.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 12:24 PM
    Wondergirl
    O ye of little faith! Instead of reading crappy links, talk with real people, people who have endured this. And have found ways to improve their lives and health.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 12:31 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    O ye of little faith! Instead of reading crappy links, talk with real people, people who have endured this. And have found ways to improve their lives and health.
    Translation. "I have no science to support my views, so I will appeal to my imaginary people."

    Tom, your point is valid and sad. In their misguided zeal to promote mental illness, the libs are refusing to acknowledge the many deserving women out there.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 12:56 PM
    Wondergirl
    I have the science noted on Word in my pc. Will roll over there to find it.
  • Mar 9, 2023, 02:07 PM
    jlisenbe
    We'll see.
  • Mar 10, 2023, 06:55 AM
    tomder55
    It is easy . Just change the name of the celebration to 'International Men who dress like women day ' for the wokesters

    Then the rest of the real world can have an International women's day that honors real women struggling for their basic rights in places like Iran and Afghanistan .


    On International Women's Day, Afghan women blast the Taliban and say the world has "neglected us completely" - CBS News

    Afghan women protesting Taliban university ban report being arrested and beaten – video | World news | The Guardian


    Steiger - The Iranian Uprising and What It Says About All of Us

    Iran says suspected schoolgirl poisonings occurred in more than 50 schools | PBS NewsHour
  • Mar 10, 2023, 07:31 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    It is easy . Just change the name of the celebration to 'International Men who dress like women day ' for the wokesters

    Then the rest of the real world can have an International women's day that honors real women struggling for their basic rights in places like Iran and Afghanistan .
    Funny and yet sad at the same time. When the Afghans are set to do better than us, then we should hang our heads.
  • Mar 10, 2023, 09:26 AM
    jlisenbe
    The Bee nails it again. Ya gotta love it.

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — During a prestigious ceremony held at the White House, President Biden bestowed the "Black American of Courage" award to actor Robert Downey Jr. for his pivotal role as a black man in the 2008 movie Tropic Thunder.
    Awarding the white actor a black award equitably follows in the footsteps of First Lady Jill Biden, who recently gave the International Woman of Courage Award to a fat guy from Argentina squashed into a dress and caked with makeup to show young women around the world to never give up on their dreams of being crushed into oblivion and wiped from the history books.

    "If you're not as black as Robert Downey, Jr., then you ain't black," said the President while standing next to Mr. Jr. who had insisted the award go to someone else while glancing nervously at all of the black people in the room.

    Biden added that choosing a recipient had been difficult, as contenders for the prestigious award included Jimmy Kimmel, Justin Trudeau, Corn Pop, and Dr. Rachel Levine who had qualified by getting a spray tan that one time.

    At publishing time, President Biden had replaced Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin with Robert Downey Jr. on the grounds that Austin was just not black enough for his diverse cabinet.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 03:13 AM
    tomder55
    Mid Vermont Christian School's girls basketball team has been banned by Vermont Principle's Association from participating in future basketball tournaments after the school forfeited a match against Long Tail Mountain Lions because they had a player that was a male transformer that identifies as a female.

    Vermont religious school that refused to play team with trans player banned from sporting events - VTDigger
  • Mar 15, 2023, 05:15 AM
    jlisenbe
    It is evidently what happens to those who actually dare to answer the question, "Do you know what a woman is?"
  • Mar 15, 2023, 08:36 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It is evidently what happens to those who actually dare to answer the question, "Do you know what a woman is?"

    And the LGBTQ+ community existed in Bible times -- and even before that.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 10:04 AM
    jlisenbe
    So did child abusers. So did murderers. So did adulterers. Not real sure what "existence" proves.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 10:13 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So did child abusers. So did murderers. So did adulterers. Not real sure what "existence" proves.

    Indigenous peoples have always loved LGBTQ+ tribe members. There are even books written about that.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 10:25 AM
    jlisenbe
    So say ye. But even if that is true, it still proves nothing. In fact, I don't even see what your point is. "Non-normal sexual attractions have been around a long time and some people actually like that." Well...OK then.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 10:28 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So say ye. But even if that is true, it still proves nothing. In fact, I don't even see what your point is. "Non-normal sexual attractions have been around a long time and some people actually like that." Well...OK then.

    Yes, INTELLIGENT and LOVING people understand what happened when LGBTQ+ individuals were formed, were created. And they have added so much to our civilization!
  • Mar 15, 2023, 11:42 AM
    jlisenbe
    You are just offering up your own opinion. You are certainly entitled to it, but it is not even close to being a compelling reason to agree with your point.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 12:41 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You are just offering up your own opinion. You are certainly entitled to it, but it is not even close to being a compelling reason to agree with your point.

    There's a long history of LGBTQ+ people being positives within indigenous societies!* As I said, books have been written about it. A reference librarian at your public library will do a search and even order ILLs for you.

    *And they are positives in our world today!
  • Mar 15, 2023, 01:05 PM
    jlisenbe
    Just more opinion and the by now utterly predictable idea of asking me to look up your documentation. At any rate, I still don't know what your point is. There have, no doubt, been people of many stripes who have contributed to society. I don't know that anyone here has suggested otherwise. The conversation concerned men participating in women's athletics.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 01:14 PM
    Wondergirl
    You asked, "Do you know what a woman is?" thereby opening up a potential deluge of responses.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 01:42 PM
    jlisenbe
    I did not ask that. Read my post more carefully. I was making a statement that involved a question.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 01:51 PM
    tomder55
    I have no idea what any of that has to do with transformers competing in woman's sports .
  • Mar 15, 2023, 02:09 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I have no idea what any of that has to do with transformers competing in woman's sports .

    They aren't transformers.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 03:08 PM
    waltero
    (Lord God, full of Grace. We seek peace in our body and yours. Please fill our Hearts with understanding and Grace...Amen).


    Quote:

    books have been written about it
    Which was just another story
    Quote:

    understand what happened when LGBTQ+ individuals were formed
    And then made into a movie
    Quote:

    And they have added so much to our civilization!
    then into a reality show
    Quote:

    And they are positives in our world today
    You see how It (books) becomes an open concept that evolves in correspondence with an understanding of governmental vocabulary and language....which is being lived out [by you] in your correspondence with it.


    What I'm trying to say is; Everybody, everything is just a story. Cancer, disease, hatred, Earthquakes, Wars, are all parables. It's not as if we're trying to figure out Genesis to Revelation as best we can, getting the storyline of the Bible cerebrally positioned, intellectually strengthened, aware, able to address certain issues. It’s possible to deal with the how-to's; that’s easy. It’s possible to become denunciatory; that’s easy. It’s possible to become political; that’s easy. It is possible to be meticulously, vociferously, painstakingly committed to fiddle around with the Bible, and yet be unconverted.

    Is it not distinctly possible that we may be increasingly intrigued about the Bible, and yet at the same time failing to be increasingly knowledgeable of Jesus?


    There is no life in the Scriptures themselves. but if we will follow where they lead, they will bring us to Him, and so we find life, not in the Scriptures, but in Him through them. that The Word of God in Scripture and the Word of God incarnate is interwoven, in that the Spirit of God brings the Word of God to people in order that they might meet and discover Christ, the Son of God.

    In Acts chapter 2, when Peter addresses the crowd - His preaching was to their hearts, his preaching was rooted in grace, and his preaching was focused on Christ...I honestly Don't know where the two of you are...I do care...I feel for Athos as I feel for the two of you. This site belonged to Athos...I don't feel the same without him.

    Goodbye.
  • Mar 15, 2023, 03:17 PM
    Wondergirl
    And how do you express your faith, waltero? Is love in there somewhere?
  • Mar 15, 2023, 03:30 PM
    Wondergirl
    WG -- books have been written about it

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Which was just another story

    https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/...us_LGBTQ_Books

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