It is making ihet's way across Florida with it's devastation . Most of my family lives in the state and are in it's direct path. By this weekend it will set a bullseye where I live in SC

Before that it ravaged Cuba.

Best wishes and prayers for all in its path.

Soon you will hear the narrative that storms like Ian are the direct result of extreme weather caused by global warming /climate change that is human caused.

This is nonsense.

To read a good, referenced rebuttal to almost all the arguments in favor of that hypothesis; I recommend a fiction book that is well referenced and documented.

The book is Michael Crichton's thriller 'State of Fear'. Every assumption made by the climate change cult is countered in this fiction that is an easy read about ecoterrorism done in the name of saving the planet.

Those of us in Mississippi who lived through Camille know that hurricanes are not becoming more violent.

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The politization of the storm has begun .

1. Before the storm Clueless called Dem mayors in Florida about Federal responses and failed to call Guv DeSantis until it was reported. He then called the Guv to try to counter the negative press.

2.CNNs Don Lemon repeatedly tried to get NOAA's hurricane director Jamie Rhome to say that Ian was caused by climate change. When his answers were unsatisfactory to the climate change cult ; their experts were invited to rebut .

Discredited climate cult leader Michael Mann (the hockey stick graph "trick" that conveniently did a "hide the decline ") called Rhomes a denier for suggesting that a single event like Ian is evidence of climate change .

There are many comments that suggest severe weather events are a new thing. But those of us burdened by history know otherwise.

There was a devastating hurricane that hit Tampa /St Pete Oct 25,1921 . It was the biggest hurricane to hit the West coast of Florida and it was preceded by the hurricane of 1848 .

There is plenty of social media commentary that says things like "not saying the Republicans in Fla deserve it but ,,,,,

Migrants (mainly refugees from Venezuela) are so thankful to DeSantis for busing/flying them north to safety before Hurricane Ian hit Florida.

yes and they can live on Dem freebees instead of picking grapefruits .

Actually no. They are hard-working people who are already skilled workers in a variety of occupations in their own country, so will be eagerly welcomed here.

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They are hard-working people who are already skilled workers in a variety of occupations in their own country, so will be eagerly welcomed here.

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Mere speculation. You have no way of knowing if that is true or not.

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Google that!

I have learned many times that googling your non-information is an absolute waste of my time. It's your info, so it's up to you to support it.

Note to other readers. Perhaps it will happen this time, but typically it does not.

if indeed they are 'hard working ' 'skilled laborers ' then of course the US should welcome them . All they need to do is get proper visas before entering the country . That is not what these people are unfortunately

Congressman says Homeland Security confirmed Venezuela 'sends violent criminals' to the United States | ADN América (adnamerica.com)

The Venezuelan migrants are highly qualified: 57% of working-age Venezuelans have higher education, and of these, half have a university degree.

Venezuelan immigrants participate in the U.S. labor force at a much higher rate than the overall immigrant and native-born populations.

The vast majority of the Venezuelan migrants want to work.

"Massachusetts has many resources to assist individuals who arrive with varying immigration statuses and needs," Governor Baker said. "The state is working with all partners involved to make sure those resources are available to the migrants that arrived on Wednesday."

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if indeed they are 'hard working ' 'skilled laborers ' then of course the US should welcome them . All they need to do is get proper visas before entering the country . That is not what these people are unfortunately

Congressman says Homeland Security confirmed Venezuela 'sends violent criminals' to the United States | ADN América (adnamerica.com)

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Ah, another Republican who hasn't been to Martha's Vineyard. If he only knew....

He is citing a DHS intelligence report .

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The Venezuelan migrants are highly qualified: 57% of working-age Venezuelans have higher education, and of these, half have a university degree.

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Tells us nothing about the immigrants as opposed to the general pop.

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Venezuelan immigrants participate in the U.S. labor force at a much higher rate than the overall immigrant and native-born populations.

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I'd have to see data to support that opinion, but even if true, let them come legally.

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Another opinion.

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Not sure what that has to do with your point.

I KNEW it!!!!!

Kam the sham spoke to a DNC Woman's leadership forum Friday and said hurricane disaster relief would be distributed based on "equity " ;that that "communities of color" would be first to receive aid.

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Yeah. That's what happens when you are asked to provide support and you merely provide opinion. What happened to googling?

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Not opinion. I GOOGLED!!!

Oh? And the links?

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Oh? And the links?

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For you to cherry-pick from and trash?

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Why is it always someone else's fault???

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Why do you always behave that way? I notice you do it to others too.

The information is quoted directly from the Migration Policy institute . It is an activist think tank funded by George Soros' Open Society Foundation and the Gates Foundation primarily . It advocates for permeant legal residence for illegals in the US .

To their credit the institute also advocates for border enforcement and workplace enforcement ;something the open border left has discarded for a long time now.

Kam the Sham's exact words about how emergency hurricane disaster relief should be allocated :


We have to address this in a way that is about giving resources based on equity, understanding that we fight for equality, but we also need to fight for equity, understanding not everyone starts out at the same place. And if we want people to be in an equal place, sometimes we have to take into account those disparities and do that work.

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Again, you are blaming someone else.

As for KH's comments, it is simply childish to wish for people to be "in the same place". The government should certainly be concerned with equal application of the law, but for everyone to be in the "same place" is just silliness. It has never happened and it never will.

As predicted ;the left is linking hurricanes to climate change . I can read these people like a book .

To understand the scale of the climate emergency, look at hurricanes | Peter Kalmus | The Guardian

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As predicted ;the left is linking hurricanes to climate change . I can read these people like a book .

To understand the scale of the climate emergency, look at hurricanes | Peter Kalmus | The Guardian

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What game are you playing, tomder? That link proves climate change is a deadly event threatening the planet like nothing else. I hope everybody reads it.

From melting icecaps to extended droughts and everything in between, climate change (aka global warming) is happening. The big mystery is why in the world does the right-wing deny it?

At least there is one semi-reasonable lib out there who can somewhat smell the coffee. Bill Gates realizes that destroying the economies of the West will not solve the problem.

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Gates made the comment on an episode of Bloomberg’s Zero podcast with host Akshat Rathi, which was published on Wednesday. Rathi had asked Gates if a "social and political revolution" was needed to compensate for technology’s shortcomings in addressing climate change. Bill Gates, co-chairman of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, speaks during the Earthshot Prize Innovation Summit in New York, US, on Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2022. "Anyone who says that we will tell people to stop eating meat, or stop wanting to have a nice house, and we'll just basically change human desires, I think that that's too difficult," Gates admitted

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He then argued that these things don’t necessarily have to play a central role in fighting climate change, noting that rich countries only account for less than a third of all emissions."
"Those [remaining] two-thirds of emissions are pretty basic in terms of the calories and shelter and transport and goods being used. So, the excesses of the rich countries … even curbing those completely out of existence is not a solution to this problem," he said adding: "I'm looking at what the world has to do to get to zero, not using climate as a moral crusade."

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Of course it likely also has to do with the hypocritical stance of the wealthy left to want "climate change" without it meaning they have to give up their huge houses and private jets.

This ("I'm looking at what the world has to do to get to zero.) is a worthwhile goal, but to think it can be done in the next couple of decades is sheer foolishness.

Hurricanes are not increasing in intensity or frequency do to climate change . That is just a fear mongering myth. The author Peter Kalmus uses models that are programed to support predetermined predictions of the future . That type of "science " is no more legit than soothsaying . Would NASA or NOAA climate research be funded if their models contradicted preconceived notions ?

It was very clever of the consensus cult to change the name from 'global warming ' to 'climate change ' when their predictions did not pan out . It is a catch all . Severe rain event ....climate change ;drought ....climate change . hot summer ....climate change ,,,,cold winter ... climate change .

What is really cool about it is that indeed the climate is always in a constant state of change . So how can they be wrong ?

HL Menckken said ; “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”


The same could be said of the science industrial complex that Ike warned against. Everyone remembers his warning about the military industrial complex .Few recall his warning in the same address about the science elites

“Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields ,” . “Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.”
He respected science discovery and research But he warned , “We must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961) | National Archives

The truth of hurricane intensity is right here in black/white for anyone who is genuinely interested in the truth.

U.S. Hurricane Strikes by Decade (noaa.gov)

Another great link with this common-sense observation. "Year-by-year short and moderate duration Atlantic tropical storm counts. Atlantic tropical storms lasting more than 2 days have not increased in number. Storms lasting less than two days have increased sharply, but this is likely due to better observations."

Historical Atlantic Hurricane and Tropical Storm Records – Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (noaa.gov)

tomder, noted that you failed to support your position, and never answered my question. I'll take it point by point.

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Hurricanes are not increasing in intensity or frequency do to climate change . That is just a fear mongering myth. The author Peter Kalmus uses models that are programed to support predetermined predictions of the future . That type of "science " is no more legit than soothsaying . Would NASA or NOAA climate research be funded if their models contradicted preconceived notions ?

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You need to explain what you mean by "predetermined models" that support climate change. The rest of that paragraph is just blowing smoke.

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It was very clever of the consensus cult to change the name from 'global warming ' to 'climate change ' when their predictions did not pan out . It is a catch all . Severe rain event ....climate change ;drought ....climate change . hot summer ....climate change ,,,,cold winter ... climate change

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"Consensus cult"? Good phrase. Now give us some proof. Casting slurs and just repeating and repeating doesn't help.

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"Climate is always in a constant state of change". Is this the best you can do?

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HL Menckken said ; “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”

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Mencken quotes are always clever, but this one says nary a thing about the issue. Nice try.

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Eisenhower? Eisenhower? Will you ever get to the point?

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“Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields ,” . “Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.”
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President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961) | National Archives

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I'm sorry, tomder, but your reply is so lacking in anything pertaining to or supporting climate change or global warming being a myth, that it's actually uncomfortable to read, realizing it's coming from you. You usually do much better although I just as usually disagree with you.

You ignored the polar ice cap melting, glaciers melting, Pacific islands slowly being engulfed by the ocean, the rise of sea levels, and many more in the article you yourself posted which is another mystery. Why would you link to an article against your position? Anybody that reads it will come away with solid evidence of global warming.

But the biggest mystery of all, which you did not answer, is why does the right-wing invest so much in denying climate change? If the anti-position was widespread among all types of people, it would have a bit more credence. When it's almost totally among the right-wing, the question why needs to be asked - and answered.

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of course they are programed to come to a conclusion that is predetermined . Worse than that is that once the data is assembled ,the same person or people who came up with the modelling are evaluating the data . True science would do it in a double blind method . This is not done in climate science . The evaluators are true believers . THat is why I used the term Consensus cult.

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This quote is indeed apropos because it describes the strategy of the climate cult to make us afraid of immediate catastrophe unless we agree to draconian economy busting measures to remedy this impending disaster they've concocted . You saw yourself how effective they were able to make the whole world a bunch of sheeple during covid by preaching doom and gloom .

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His message was timeless and you would have no issue with it if I were speaking about the relationship between the government and the defense industry . Government and academic funding does not happen if the people doing the research are AGW skeptics .

Ice has been melting since the end of thePleistocene . Climate doctrine today completely ignores eras like the tremendous cooling that occured between the 14th and 19th century (we are also coming out of that era ) Climate doctine ignores periods of warming of the earth before the industrial revolution like theMedieval Climate Optimum when the earth was warmer than today .
Climate doctrine completely ignores other possible factors for climate change except human activity . The Little Ice age occurred at the same time as a solar minimum. How much impact did that have on the climate ? There was increased solar activity during the Medieval warm period . .

What I do know is that the Little Ice Age was a time of human suffering , The Medieval warm period was a time of civilization advancement ;.agriculture spread and generated food surpluses. Humans began to travel to new lands that became accessible . The Vikings colonized a green Greenland . In the South New Zealand was colonized .
Maybe this warming isn't something to fear .Maybe humans should do what we do best ....exploit it .

It is a matter of concern that so much of the climate research community seems to have arrived at a conclusion prior to doing the research. That kind of prejudice never serves well.

More demonstration of the left attempting to use natural disaster to advance their agenda

Hurricane Ian damage and recovery are set to make wealth disparities worse (nbcnews.com)

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From NOAA

Atlantic hurricanes display distinct busy and quiet periods: Busy hurricane decades occurred in the late 19th century, mid-20th century, and from the mid-1990s onward, but quieter decades in the early 20th century and in the 1970s to early-1990s.

These multi-decadal variations in Atlantic tropical storms and hurricanes have been linked to a phenomenon called the Atlantic Multidecadal Variability, which may be primarily natural internal variability or aerosol-driven.

A detectable greenhouse gas-induced influence on observed Atlantic tropical storm and hurricane behavior to date is difficult to identify because of the 50-80 year variability in hurricane activity.

The bottom-line answer to the question in the title is: No, we cannot confidently detect a trend today in observed Atlantic hurricane activity due to man-made (greenhouse gas-driven) climate change. Some human influence may be present though still below the threshold for confident detection.

Can we detect a change in Atlantic hurricanes today due to human-caused climate change? | NOAA Climate.gov

If anything it is the increase in population in waterfront communities that invite disaster. Building mobile home parks on the edge of the sand line was not smart planning .

This chart pretty well sums it up. There are variations up and down, but no particular increases relative to, for instance, the late 19th century.

https://www.climate.gov/sites/defaul...ecchi_2021.jpg

Only the paragraph below merits a reply. The rest was more of the same and best ignored.

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Ice has been melting since the end of thePleistocene . Climate doctrine today completely ignores eras like the tremendous cooling that occured between the 14th and 19th century (we are also coming out of that era ) Climate doctine ignores periods of warming of the earth before the industrial revolution like theMedieval Climate Optimum when the earth was warmer than today .
Climate doctrine completely ignores other possible factors for climate change except human activity . The Little Ice age occurred at the same time as a solar minimum. How much impact did that have on the climate ? There was increased solar activity during the Medieval warm period.

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Your claim that "climate doctrine" completely ignores those factors you mentioned is simply and totally untrue. Those issues are addressed in the link you provided. This false accusation has been the number one objection to global warming since the beginning. No one denies climate change and ice ages have occurred in the past. The difference today is that it is occurring at a rapid speed due to man-made technology - not at rates of millions of years.

I am still waiting for the reason for the right-wing political side to be so against global warming.

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Is this an admission of climate change?

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Exactly where is the left attempting to use natural disaster to advance their agenda? What about the agenda of the right - he asked for a third time.

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Even a semi-careful reading of previous posts shows that there is no denial of climate changing. The issue centers around the cause of the change and what, if anything, can be done about it. The topic of discussion actually concerned hurricane trends which, as has been clearly shown, have been cycling for 150 years with no clear influence from CO2 issues.

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If anything it is the increase in population in waterfront communities that invite disaster. Building mobile home parks on the edge of the sand line was not smart planning .



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Of course not . Simply stated ;if you live by water expect to get wet . My home and my previous one were on the high ground for very good reasons ,

What you should be asking is why all the climate cultists like the Goracle ;the emperor and Quid Pro Joe all have made recent and very expensive home purchases on the ocean if they are concerned about rising seas .