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  • Jun 21, 2021, 09:42 AM
    tomder55
    Chi-town weekend
    For the weekend
    5 Killed, 54 Wounded In Weekend Shootings Across Chicago – CBS Chicago (cbslocal.com)

    In one case a couple driving with a Puerto Rican flag were pulled from their car and executed by an African American male .

    Video Captures Shooting That Left Young Father Gyovanni Arzuaga Dead, Woman Injured During Puerto Rican Pride Celebration In Humboldt Park – CBS Chicago (cbslocal.com)

    The headlines last week read that white supremist domestic terrorism is the greatest threat facing the country .

    Merrick Garland domestic terrorism: Biden administration pushes plan to combat US terror - ABC7 Chicago

    ummm no . The people of Chicago know better .

    maybe instead of sending in defunded cops to investigate ,they can send in social workers .

    Good thing that Chi-town has strict gun control laws .
  • Jun 21, 2021, 01:49 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The headlines last week read that white supremist domestic terrorism is the greatest threat facing the country .

    Merrick Garland domestic terrorism: Biden administration pushes plan to combat US terror - ABC7 Chicago

    Chicago crime (or any other area crime) is not the same as white supremacist domestic terrorism. Bad as crime is, it does not threaten a takeover of the nation.
  • Jun 21, 2021, 03:29 PM
    tomder55
    neither does the few white extremist .

    Gone are the days of KKK holding rallies in Madison Square Garden .

    You and the Dems are living in the past ;and in fact the new woke doctrine would bring us back to the days or segregated blacks only institutions as students at many US campuses have proposed .

    Racial Segregation On American Campuses: A Widespread Phenomenon (forbes.com)

    Ask the people of Chicago what the bigger concern is as mayor Beetlejuice blames racism for the violence.
  • Jun 21, 2021, 03:46 PM
    tomder55
    Portland crime is up over 500% . None of that has anything to do with the insurrectionist Antifa terrorists ..... right ?
  • Jun 21, 2021, 04:34 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    neither does the few white extremist .

    Were you asleep for the last six months?

    Did you miss the Jan 6 Trump insurrection where his followers invaded the Capitol and tried to take over the government by reversing the valid 2020 election? Some were killed, and over 500 have been arrested. It was the biggest story on the planet covered by every media in the world. But you missed it. You must be a very deep sleeper, Rip.
  • Jun 21, 2021, 05:05 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    and over 500 have been arrested.
    mostly for trespassing . Many have been kept in solitary confinement without formal charges ..... like a pseudo fascist government would do . You really think that all the people (mostly peacefully ) protesting the election results were white supremist ? ? You really think that 74 million who voted for Trump are white supremist terrorists .

    Crime is up in all those Democrat run cities by substantial numbers . NYC arrested hundreds of violent rioters ,looters ,arsonists ,muggers this summer during the BLM protests . Over 60 % of them had charges dropped . NYC murder rate is up 44 % in the last year . I'm sure the average person living in NYC is more concerned about crime in the street than crazy Democrat insurrection rhetoric.
  • Jun 22, 2021, 05:31 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Did you miss the Jan 6 Trump insurrection where his followers invaded the Capitol and tried to take over the government by reversing the valid 2020 election? Some were killed, and over 500 have been arrested. It was the biggest story on the planet covered by every media in the world. But you missed it. You must be a very deep sleeper, Rip.
    That would be a good point except for the rather critical fact that it was not a white supremacist event. Alas.
  • Jun 22, 2021, 04:39 PM
    InfoJunkie4Life
    Kavanaugh protesters arrested
    Kavanaugh Protesters Beat on SCOTUS Doors
    Here's the Portland Courthouse After Night 61
    Portland police release montage video of protest footage and images
    Black Lives Matter protesters, cops clash again in DC overnight
    ‘Burn it down!’ Antifa, BLM protesters clash with police, threaten to torch DC
    BLM protesters storm Oklahoma Capitol

    What's the difference between an insurrection and a protest?

    The language used to describe it...because definitions don't matter to the liberal media.

    Funny thing is, most of these stories were ignored, then the behavior by the "protestors" was applauded and downplayed by the liberal media when exposed, congratulated by the liberals in congress and across the country. There are a hundred more stories like these, and only one is an insurrection...the rest are "protests."
  • Jun 22, 2021, 04:56 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by InfoJunkie4Life View Post
    only one is an insurrection...the rest are "protests."

    The definition of an insurrection is a rise against government authority or a revolt.

    A protest (also called a demonstration, remonstration or remonstrance) is a public expression of objection, disapproval or dissent towards an idea or action, typically a political one.
  • Jun 22, 2021, 05:07 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    The definition of an insurrection is a rise against government authority or a revolt.

    A protest (also called a demonstration, remonstration or remonstrance) is a public expression of objection, disapproval or dissent towards an idea or action, typically a political one.


    when dissent becomes violent it is no longer a demonstration, it is an insurrection, when this insurrection becomes widespread it is a revolt. Washington was an insurrection, Portland is an insurrection
  • Jun 22, 2021, 05:07 PM
    InfoJunkie4Life
    Seems good enough to me wondergirl. The question remains, why all these protests are not insurrections. Every story mentioned is a revolt, yet, the headlines still read protest. We can clearly see how the 2 definition have a bit of gray area, overlap if you will. The actions taken by said "protestors" is not simply dissent, they definitely lean towards revolt. You certainly cannot attack the public institutions at large and call it a protest.
  • Jun 22, 2021, 05:33 PM
    paraclete
    Just the media being polite and PC while politicians don't want to be seen to escalate
  • Jun 22, 2021, 06:54 PM
    talaniman
    Nobody calls looting, assaults, and arson protests. That's clear criminal stuff and jail is the place for such actions.

    You fringers refuse to recognize the difference between criminals and protestors. Why I wonder? Of course you guys have been know to make protestors look bad because you don't like what they protest. You'd protest somebody putting a knee on your neck for 10 minutes wouldn't you?
  • Jun 23, 2021, 02:21 AM
    InfoJunkie4Life
    I could say the same about the main stream. A failure to recognize what is. Look at the stories I linked before. Its not that the protestors are bad, its the failure to call a riot a riot, and to condemn what is wrong.

    https://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/...1-1200x679.jpg
  • Jun 23, 2021, 05:10 AM
    jlisenbe
    Yep. Those "mostly peaceful" protests are pretty dramatic with buildings burning in the background.
  • Jun 23, 2021, 05:35 AM
    tomder55
    10s of thousands went to DC to protest Jan 6 . A handful of them trespassed broke into the Capitol .Even fewer than that got violent . They should be charged appropriately . No way was that an insurrection .
  • Jun 23, 2021, 05:45 AM
    jlisenbe
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    No way was that an insurrection .
    I'd agree with that. Suggestions to the contrary are primarily for political consumption.
  • Jun 23, 2021, 06:34 AM
    tomder55
    news update :

    Ex cop and anti defund the police candidate Eric Adams has taken a commanding lead in the NYC Democrat primary . He will almost surely be the Dem candidate and as such almost assured to be the next Mayor of NY .

    The Repub winner is the founder of the Guardian Angels Curtis Sliwa . You know where he stands on crime issues .

    Clearly the people of NYC does not want to defund the police ;and want the police to do their jobs and protect the people from the marauders who have taken over the city streets and subways since Sandinista Bill became Mayor .

    pps ranked choice voting is a joke .
  • Jun 23, 2021, 06:50 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    10s of thousands went to DC to protest Jan 6 . A handful of them trespassed broke into the Capitol

    Estimates are that "thousands" marched to the capitol. To date over 500 have been arrested. The FBI is looking for more that have not been apprehended yet. Anybody that has seen any of the many videos would choke on the claim that "a handful of them broke into the Capitol". Why are you being so untruthful, especially in light of all the evidence both visual and eye-witness testimony?

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    Even fewer than that got violent
    500 so far is "fewer that got violent"? How can you write this stuff so blatantly?

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    No way was that an insurrection .
    What would you call it when 500+ men (more like 1,000+ men), variously armed, attacked the United States Capitol while Congress was in session with the stated claim of overturning the election of the US President thereby overthrowing the elected government of the United State of America? What do you call it when these men screamed, "Hang Mile Pence! Hang Mike Pence!", the Vice-President of the US?

    Nothing like it has been seen in the US since the Civil War. Yet, "no way" was that an insurrection, you say.
  • Jun 23, 2021, 07:30 AM
    tomder55
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    500 so far is "fewer that got violent"? How can you write this stuff so blatantly?
    most arrested will have trespassing charges at best .
  • Jun 23, 2021, 07:52 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    most arrested will have trespassing charges at best .

    You must be listening to Trump or OAN Cable.


    Acting U.S. Attorney Sherwin said "almost all" of the cases charged in federal court have involved "significant federal felonies" with sentences between five and twenty years.[3] Many have been charged with assault on law enforcement officers; "violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol ground";[3] trespassing; disrupting Congress; theft or other property crimes; weapons offenses; making threats; and conspiracy.[11] Some criminal indictments are under seal. The majority of cases are in federal court, while others are in D.C. Superior Court.[12]
  • Jun 23, 2021, 08:31 AM
    InfoJunkie4Life
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos
    Nothing like it has been seen in the US since the Civil War. Yet, "no way" was that an insurrection, you say.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Muenter
    On July 2, 1915, Muenter hid a package containing three sticks of dynamite with a timing mechanism set for nearly midnight under a telephone switchboard in the Senate reception room in the United States Capitol, Washington, D.C. His original target had been the Senate chamber, which he found locked. The bomb exploded at approximately 11:40 PM resulting in no casualties. Muenter wrote a letter to The Washington Star under a pseudonym R. Pearce, explaining his actions, which was published after the bombing. He said that he hoped the explosion would "make enough noise to be heard above the voices that clamor for war. This explosion is an exclamation point in my appeal for peace."

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    Originally Posted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_United_States_Capitol_shooting
    The 1954 United States Capitol shooting was an attack on March 1, 1954, by four Puerto Rican nationalists wanting Puerto Rico's independence from US rule. They shot 30 rounds from semi-automatic pistols from the Ladies' Gallery (a balcony for visitors) of the House of Representatives chamber in the United States Capitol.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/bomb-explodes-in-capitol-building
    A bomb explodes in the Capitol building in Washington, D.C., causing an estimated $300,000 in damage but hurting no one. A group calling itself the Weather Underground claimed credit for the bombing, which was done in protest of the ongoing U.S.-supported Laos invasion.

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    Originally Posted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_States_Senate_bombing
    The 1983 U.S. Senate bombing was a bomb explosion at the United States Senate on November 7, 1983, motivated by United States military involvement in Lebanon and Grenada. The attack led to heightened security in the DC metropolitan area, and the inaccessibility of certain parts of the Senate Building.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_United_States_Capitol_shooting
    The 1998 United States Capitol shooting was an attack on July 24, 1998, which led to the deaths of two United States Capitol Police officers. Officer Jacob Chestnut and Detective John Gibson were killed when Russell Eugene Weston Jr., entered the Capitol and opened fire.

    History is not so simple. Lets not forget the time anthrax was sent to DC or the time a plane almost bombed the capitol. Maybe not so many people entered the building, but the damage and devastation has been far more severe in many instances.
  • Jun 23, 2021, 08:40 AM
    jlisenbe
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    What would you call it when 500+ men (more like 1,000+ men), variously armed,
    I wouldn't get too carried away with the "variously armed" comment lest it appear that all 500 were armed. That is far removed from the truth.

    "But 23 people have been charged with having deadly or dangerous weapons during the assault — including a loaded handgun found on a man arrested on Capitol grounds." So there was one gun, and the other 22 had, "...baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole."

    An insurrection armed with...ONE gun? Doesn't seem to pass muster to me. "OK men. Charge!! Show em what a fire extinguisher can do!"

    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/ca...ty-of-weapons/
  • Jun 23, 2021, 08:58 AM
    tomder55
    Most Capitol riot offenders won’t face hefty prison terms, legal experts say. - The Washington Post

    Many Capitol rioters unlikely to serve jail time - POLITICO

    70 % of those arrested are not being held . They must be a terrible threat to the country .

    Quote:

    Democrats’ message is not resonating because they overstate everything. They argue that a very serious incident, organized by a few fanatics, to interrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election is equivalent to the foreign terrorists who hijacked four planes, flew them into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and a Pennsylvania forest, killed more than 3,000 people, injured thousands more, and caused billions of dollars in damage.
    They appeal to the visceral by calling the Jan. 6 incident an “insurrection” even though they know the legal definition is not met.
    Democrats, even in the Judiciary hearing, argue that the rioting for the past year is merely a series of peaceful protests and simply an exercise of First Amendment rights, but paint everyone who came to the Capitol on Jan. 6 as “insurrectionists” attempting to take over the government.
    Democrats learn hard truths about Capitol breach | TheHill
  • Jun 23, 2021, 09:06 AM
    talaniman
    From your Hill article....

    "BY REP. ANDY BIGGS (R-ARIZ.), OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 06/15/21 07:30 PM EDT THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL"
  • Jun 23, 2021, 09:39 AM
    tomder55
    I added it because it is what I have been saying since January . What about the Compost and Politico sources ?
  • Jun 23, 2021, 10:47 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by InfoJunkie4Life View Post
    History is not so simple.

    These are not even close to the Jan 6 insurrection.
  • Jun 23, 2021, 10:52 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    70 % of those arrested are not being held . They must be a terrible threat to the country .

    I'll go with US Attorney Sherwin.
  • Jun 23, 2021, 01:47 PM
    tomder55
    Revealed: majority of people charged in Capitol attack aren’t in jail | US Capitol breach | The Guardian
  • Jun 24, 2021, 03:19 AM
    InfoJunkie4Life
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MICHAEL SHERWIN
    After the 6th, we had an inauguration on the 20th. So I wanted to ensure, and our office wanted to ensure that there was shock and awe, that we could charge as many people as possible before the 20th. And it worked because we saw through media posts that people were afraid to come back to D.C. because they're like, "If we go there, we're gonna get charged." ... We wanted to take out those individuals that essentially were thumbing their noses at the public for what they did.

    "Significant federal felonies" = "Shock and awe"

    I love that last part "We wanted to take out those individuals for...thumbing their noses at the public"

    Not exactly law and order talk, but we'll get those dumb insurrectionists.

    Too bad Kamala's bail fund isn't for those kind of insurrectionists...they might get out and kill and rape just like those darn peaceful protestors.

    Here is a running list of who was charged and for what, most are unsealed.

    Heads up, 25 are there for curfew violations. The only guns that were found were on people who didn't enter the capitol, but were violating curfew, one arrested the next day for stuff in truck. 4 more by my count.

    A lot of these only passed a barricade, or entered the building, simply to leave a few minute later, IE the trespassing charges.

    "Steal, Sell, Convey or Dispose of Anything of Value of the United States" means picked up something off the ground that didn't belong to you.
  • Jun 24, 2021, 04:03 AM
    InfoJunkie4Life
    Even with all that surveillance footage and congressional commissions, we still don't know who put those bombs in the bushes. Who got off the antifa bus -Paul Sperry. Why some people got $1,000 to show up 2:26:48. Who killed Ashli Babbit? Who was handing out weapons. Why were there no police? Who is John Galt (Sullivan). (Needed to throw that one in there, lol)

    Then the conspiracies abound!
  • Jun 24, 2021, 04:56 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Who is John Galt (Sullivan). (Needed to throw that one in there, lol)
    My all time favorite literary character .

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    Who killed Ashli Babbit?
    normally the left is quick to name a cop who kills a protester . The DOJ has chosen to not press charges against the officer .

    His name is Lt. Mike Byrd . The 5th column ....ooops I mean the 4th estate media has known this from the beginning but still refuse to officially name him . Besides this incident he was in the news for leaving his loaded glock-22 unattended in a bathroom in the Capitol in 2019 .
  • Jun 24, 2021, 06:26 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by InfoJunkie4Life View Post
    Here is a running list of who was charged and for what, most are unsealed.

    Heads up, 25 are there for curfew violations. The only guns that were found were on people who didn't enter the capitol, but were violating curfew, one arrested the next day for stuff in truck. 4 more by my count.

    At least 40 are accused of committing conspiracy, one of the most serious charges brought. At least 96 are accused of committing acts of violence, particularly against police. At least 42 are suspected of causing property damage, like breaking windows or doors to gain entry to the building. At least 30 are accused of theft, like the man photographed carrying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's lectern or one woman who allegedly took a laptop from Pelosi's office.

    Why do right-wing evangelists deny the facts so often about the Jan 6 insurrection? After following that bunch for over a year now, it's looking like they will sell their soul for anything supporting their politics. Bad enough for the usual right-wing fringe, but for self-proclaimed Christians?

    My part describing those accused is directly from the link cited by infojunkie. Could his part citing 25 curfew violations be possibly any more misleading than it already is?

    I'm at a loss to understand why Christian evangelists are so devious.
  • Jun 24, 2021, 06:54 AM
    InfoJunkie4Life
    Athos, you are an idiot. No, one is claiming there was no crime. What happened on Jan 6 was despicable.

    No one is denying what happened, this is the most documented crime of the century. What's a up for debate is why the media uses such foul language describing a "right wing" crime, while other clear acts of violence are wonderful acts of downtrodden people.

    One might even argue the media is responsible for creating such an atmosphere where violence is lauded and the left wing political class for encouraging these while failing to enforce laws that would have put an end to such nonsense.
  • Jun 24, 2021, 07:18 AM
    InfoJunkie4Life
    Your bigotry against christians and right wingers is noted.
  • Jun 24, 2021, 07:39 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by InfoJunkie4Life View Post
    Athos, you are an idiot

    You couldn't provide rational answers in the previous discussion, and you can't provide them here, so I'm the idiot.

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    No one is claiming there was no crime.
    You're very wrong there. At least one Republican stated it was a typical day with tourists and cameras. In general, the Republicans have played it down like you did with your "running list" citing only curfew violations. Why did you omit the serious crimes?

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    What happened on Jan 6 was despicable.
    NOW you say it - after you were called on the absurdity of your comment.

    Quote:

    No one is denying what happened
    You certainly implied it wasn't much in your post #30. You made it seem like a walk in the park with your sarcasm.

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    This is the most documented crime of the century.
    Then why are you so casual about it (#30)?

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    What's a up for debate is why the media uses such foul language describing a "right wing" crime
    Wrong again, what is up for debate is why the Republicans voted down an investigation into the "crime of the century".

    As to the "foul language", the media covered it exactly for what it was - a right-wing insurrection incited by madman Trump. When you see the truth as foul language, you have a problem.

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    While other clear acts of violence are wonderful acts of downtrodden people.
    You're deflecting. A typical tactic of the right-wing. Aka "whataboutism" as if the one excuses the other.

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    One might even argue the media is responsible for creating such an atmosphere where violence is lauded and the left wing political class for encouraging these while failing to enforce laws that would have put an end to such nonsense.
    No, only an idiot would make such an argument, and you fit the bill.
  • Jun 24, 2021, 08:37 AM
    InfoJunkie4Life
    I love you too.
  • Jun 24, 2021, 09:33 AM
    jlisenbe
    Funny to see Athos complaining about a lack rational answers.
  • Jun 24, 2021, 10:49 AM
    waltero
    Quote:

    InfoJunkie
    One might even argue the media is responsible for creating such an atmosphere
    Quote:

    And Athos:
    No, only an idiot would make such an argument
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    InfoJunkie:
    most arrested will have trespassing charges at best.
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    Athos
    You must be listening to Trump or OAN Cable.
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    Funny to see Athos complaining about a lack of rational answers.
    Funny indeed.
  • Jun 24, 2021, 04:09 PM
    tomder55
    read about this arrested " insurrectionist " .

    FBI tears New Yorker's life into shreds: Devine (nypost.com)

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