AOC posted recently that her grandmother was living in poverty because, she claimed, Trump had blocked hurricane relief. She included some pics of her "abuela's" house which, she said, was in terrible condition. That raised the question of why AOC, who just recently purchased a Tesla for 70K, could not get off her sorry backside and help her own grandmother, thus relieving the American taxpayers of the burden of doing so. In that regard she would certainly seem to be the stereotypical liberal dem, but others, happily, did respond. A GoFundMe account was started with the intention of raising money to help, and they raised 100 grand in about half a day, but both AOC and the grandmother REFUSED THE HELP!! Evidently the supposed political profit from having a destitute grandmother is more important than the grandmother.

SUPPORT: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/aoc...05/id/1024032/

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Evidently the supposed political profit from having a destitute grandmother is more important than the grandmother.

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You and Matt Walsh missed AOC's point entirely! Your cherrypicking and insistence on the literal always trips you up.

Nah. You just fall for anything a lib dem says. I have no respect at all for anyone so sorry they won’t help their own grandmother. How sorry can you get? And then too dumb to accept help from a third party? Yeah. The literal is pretty bad there. If Trump had done it, your head would be exploding. Situational ethics at play.

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Nah. You just fall for anything a lib dem says. I have no respect at all for anyone so sorry they won’t help their own grandmother.

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And you know she hasn't? And how do you know?

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And then too dumb to accept help from a third party?

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And that third party's motives were what?

NEVER would I start a GoFundMe campaign without first talking with the potential recipient(s) as to their needs.

And yep, you totally missed it (cherrypicking again?). AOC said (her point in mentioning her abuela): "Hurricane María relief hasn’t arrived. Trump blocked relief $ for PR. People are being forced to flee ancestral homes, & developers are taking them," she said. "We immediately got to work reaching out to community advocates and leaders and following the money. What’s happening to Puerto Ricans is systemic. Much of it can be traced to La Junta, aka the Wall Street-connected fiscal control board that the US gave power to over the island."

Because according to AOC, her grandmother is still living in poverty, so either she is a sorry person who would not help her own grandmother, or she is a liar. Take your pick.

I don't know the third party's motives, but I do know they collected 100K for her. How much did you collect?

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NEVER would I start a GoFundMe campaign without first talking with the potential recipient(s) as to their needs.

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How noble of you. So while you were doing nothing, they were doing something. I like them a lot better. Your words are worthless.

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Hurricane María relief hasn’t arrived.

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It certainly hasn't arrived from her. You are such a lib dem. The only charity that counts is the charity that arrives from the feds in the form of other people's money. It's so common.

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What’s happening to Puerto Ricans is systemic. Much of it can be traced to La Junta, aka the Wall Street-connected fiscal control board that the US gave power to over the island."

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Remember the Athos principle of documentation.

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Because according to AOC, her grandmother is still living in poverty, so either she is a sorry person who would not help her own grandmother, or she is a liar. Take your pick.

I don't know the third party's motives, but I do know they collected 100K for her. How much did you collect?

How noble of you. So while you were doing nothing, they were doing something. I like them a lot better. Your words are worthless.

It certainly hasn't arrived from her. You are such a lib dem. The only charity that counts is the charity that arrives from the feds in the form of other people's money. It's so common.

Remember the Athos principle of documentation.

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Wow, you sure get nasty when you're on the wrong side of a discussion. With you, nasty always trumps truth.

Read your own link to answer your question. It's right there.

Then re-read WG's post where the truth is laid out. Your nastiness is on a par with your "intelligence".

Pray tell - what is the Athos principle of documentation? Is it anything like your suffering from ADS?

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Because according to AOC, her grandmother is still living in poverty

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Documentation?

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I don't know the third party's motives

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Oh, golly gee whiz. Take a guess.

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So while you were doing nothing, they were doing something.

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Again, their motive?

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It certainly hasn't arrived from her.

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Documentation?

The documentation is in the link in post one that you obviously didn’t bother to read.

I don’t know the motive and neither do you. I do know that they helped and you didn’t, so your holier than thou attitude is foolishness.

I wonder what AOC’s motive was for sitting on her axx while her gm was in poverty??? I hope that Tesla drives well.

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The documentation is in the link in post one that you obviously didn’t bother to read.

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YOU didn't bother to read the entire article but simply picked the sweetest cherries.

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I wonder what AOC’s motive was for sitting on her axx while her gm was in poverty??? I hope that Tesla drives well.

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Your information is soooooo incorrect. I won't even bother to sit you down and explain. You wouldn't listen and would refuse to understand anyway.

Another empty response. Believe lies if you want to but spout them to someone else. AOCs post was very clear. My info was exactly correct.

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Another empty response. Believe lies if you want to but spout them to someone else. AOCs post was very clear. My info was exactly correct.

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There was a LOT more to AOC's quote than what you posted.

I portrayed the story about her gm exactly as it was. If you want to talk about Trump, then start another thread, but I'm not going to believe anything a sorry scumbag says who will not even support her own gm. No way. And especially not when she is scooting around in her new Tesla.

This sort of vacuous response from you gets old. "Your information is soooooo incorrect. I won't even bother to sit you down and explain. You wouldn't listen and would refuse to understand anyway." It is entirely devoid of any information. No one would take it seriously. If you want to be taken seriously, then post something meaningful.

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I portrayed the story about her gm exactly as it was. If you want to talk about Trump, then start another thread, but I'm not going to believe anything a sorry scumbag says who will not even support her own gm. No way. And especially not when she is scooting around in her new Tesla.

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AOC has reported on her abuela whose house is being repaired while she lives in a safe place.

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No one would take it seriously. If you want to be taken seriously, then post something meaningful.

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Meaningful, like your posts?

Document your AOC info.

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Document your AOC info.

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It's in the link you posted.

Here's the entire tweet:
"And for the record - my abuela is doing okay. It’s not about us, but about what’s happening to Puerto Rican’s across the island. She had a place to go to and be cared for - what about the thousands of people who don’t?"

A followup tweet by Jake Squibbs:
"All those responding with negatively towards AOC have totally missed the point she is making! People all over PR are suffering because of the incompetence of the previous administration."

Where does it say her house is being repaired?

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Where does it say her house is being repaired?

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Google that.

Her gm has been in distress. What has she done to help her other than run her mouth?

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A followup tweet by Jake Squibbs:
"All those responding with negatively towards AOC have totally missed the point she is making! People all over PR are suffering because of the incompetence of the previous administration."

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so her grandmother has to suffer so she can make a point, so much for caring liberal politics

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Her gm has been in distress. What has she done to help her other than run her mouth?

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Why are you so concerned about her abuela now? The hurricane was in September 2017. Why weren't you concerned then?

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

@AOC

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And for the record - my abuela is doing okay. It’s not about us, but about what’s happening to Puerto Rican’s across the island.She had a place to go to and be cared for - what about the thousands of people who don’t?

And again. Where does it say her house is being repaired? Or was that a lie?

And that is the main point. Aoc has done nothing that we know of to help her own gm. Pretty scummy. Like I’ve said; hope that Tesla drives well.

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And that is the main point.

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You have gone off on a toot which is extreme even for you.

AOC's obvious point was the Trump WH denying aid to Puerto Rico. Her grandmother, as stated by AOC and two members here, was taken care of. But you leapt on this point like a fly on s**t.

The GoFundMe business was intended to make trouble for AOC by purposely and maliciously focusing on the grandmother, EXACTLY LIKE YOU HAVE DONE. Her refusal to accept it clearly showed that she knew the game.

Jl, a blind man could see what you're doing. If you truly do not see what WG and others have tried to make you see, then you badly need to open up and smell the coffee.

Your anger even made you use bad language which was totally uncalled for. You're coming close to blowing a mental gasket.

Your out-of-control rage against AOC reinforces my belief that you do not like brown or black people.

Blah blah blah. Aoc will not even help her own gm. And that’s your hero. Wow.

TDS knows no bounds.

Did not use bad language. Out of control rage? Wayyyyy too much drama.

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And that is the main point. Aoc has done nothing that we know of to help her own gm. Pretty scummy. Like I’ve said; hope that Tesla drives well.

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you say "nothing you know of" as if you are all knowing, she may have done something, just not what you think she should have done. Ok she is fair game, she is a politician and held to a higher standard but I think this is because she dared to stick her head up

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you say "nothing you know of" as if you are all knowing, she may have done something, just not what you think she should have done. Ok she is fair game, she is a politician and held to a higher standard but I think this is because she dared to stick her head up

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Or because she is an outspoken liberal female of color which the right wing fringers hate.

Yes the great divide. But why, why don't you put the country first?

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you say "nothing you know of" as if you are all knowing, she may have done something, just not what you think she should have done.

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If you know of something, then post it. That's why I said, "nothing that WE know of". I do know they refused 100K worth of help because the source was a conservative journalist. She's driving her new Tesla (70K car) around while her gm is, according to her, living in poverty. Doing nothing to help your own gm while running your mouth about Trump is pretty bad.

Puerto Rico suffers because the US still treats it as a colony . As an example ,if a ship with a foreign flag is loaded with supplies for the island it must first dock at Jacksonville Fl. ;have the cargo removed and reloaded onto another ship with a US flag before the freight can end up at it's destination (Jones Act ) . That means that the people pay 15-20% more for goods and things like emergency supply get needlessly delayed .

Puerto Ricans are treated as second class citizens. They have only one Representative in the U.S. Congress who cannot cast a vote on the House floor. This is your classic taxation without representation.

Periodically the island has referendum votes about their status . Typically they are given 3 options ;independence ,becoming a state ,or status quo. I suggest that last option be eliminated . The island should either be an independent nation or a state. The last plebiscite had 97% of the people voting for statehood. BUT opposition parties boycotted the vote. My question is why would AOC support a choice where status quo is acceptable ? Remove that option .

AOC has introduced legislation where status quo is still an option . If she is satisfied with the people of the island having 2nd class status she should say so . Then she should shut up about how the people of the island are treated . They are exploited regardless of the party in power.

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f a ship with a foreign flag is loaded with supplies for the island it must first dock at Jacksonville Fl. ;have the cargo removed a................................(etc.)........... ........nd reloaded onto another ship with a US flag before the freight can end up at it's destination (........................................(etc).... ..........e on the House floor. This is your classic taxation without representation. AOC has introduced legislation where status quo is still an option . If she is satisfied with the people of the island having ..........................etc..................... .........ould shut up about how the people of the island are treated . They are exploited regardless of the party in power.

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You're deflecting. The issue here is how the Trump WH denied help to Puerto Rico after the hurricane.

No it's not. This thread is about AOC's blatant disregard for her, according to her, destitute gm and her refusal to allow others to help. The deflector here is you.

A simple agreement would be helpful. "Yes, a person who refuses to help her gm and refuses to accept help from others is pretty sorry." It would certainly allow us to move on.

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No it's not. This thread is about AOC's blatant disregard for her, according to her, destitute gm and her refusal to allow others to help. The deflector here is you.

A simple agreement would be helpful. "

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Again, you have totally missed AOC's point. This has nothing to do with her family's handling of abuela's care (mucho) and has everything to do with Trump's handling of Puerto Rico's citizens' care (nada). "You can't see the forest (Trump's refusal) for the trees" (abuela details) -- an idiom in the English language that fits perfectly here because you are so focused on the details that you cannot (you refuse to?) see or understand the whole issue.

It has everything to do with her neglect of her gm. That's what this thread is about. Pretty sure I'm right since I'm the one who started it. Your attempt to deflect is simply not going to work.

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A simple agreement would be helpful. "Yes, a person who refuses to help her gm and refuses to accept help from others is pretty sorry." It would certainly allow us to move on.

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It has everything to do with her neglect of her gm. That's what this thread is about.

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That has never been an issue -- has become one only because of hatred.

It's an issue now. If you are saying she hates her gm, then you might be on to something. What else would you call it when a person refuses, for four years, to help her suffering gm, and refuses to allow others to help?

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It's an issue now. If you are saying she hates her gm, then you might be on to something. What else would you call it when a person refuses, for four years, to help her suffering gm, and refuses to allow others to help?

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I call it right wing BS based on lies falsehoods and ignorance.

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...when a person refuses, for four years, to help her suffering gm, and refuses to allow others to help?

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You know this how?

Another tweet to Walsh from AOC on June 2, 2021:
"My abuela is okay. But instead of only caring for mine & letting others suffer, I’m calling attention to the systemic injustices you seem totally fine w/ in having a US colony."

I know that how? The link in post 1.

If she is truly "caring for mine", then how is it that four years later, the gm's house is still not repaired? And since the house is still not repaired, why would she turn down 100 grand she could use to repair her gm's house and possibly someone else's as well? And bear in mind that they raised the 100K in only ten hours. What if AOC had gotten behind the fundraising and even plopped in 10K herself? How much do you think they could have raised? It would have been a truly bipartisan effort that could have been an example for others to follow.

It certainly seems that you'll believe anything from a lib dem.

Might add that not even AOC placed the blame squarely on Trump. "Ocasio-Cortez said the holdup in relief funds was "systemic," and said the Trump administration had a "major role, but it wasn’t just them." "Much of it can be traced to La Junta, aka the Wall Street-connected fiscal control board that the US gave power to over the island," she said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc...blocked-relief

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A simple agreement would be helpful. "Yes, a person who refuses to help her gm and refuses to accept help from others is pretty sorry." It would certainly allow us to move on.

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why would she turn down 100 grand she could use to repair her gm's house and possibly someone else's as well?

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Her point was NOT the repair of her abuela's house or all the neighbors' homes or the ... nm, you just don't get it. And you were an educator?

She is welcome to any point she wants. The fact remains that her gm's house has been in disrepair for four years and AOC seemingly couldn't care less. Perhaps the political ammo it provides is just too good?

I do wish you would respond to these. Still afraid to respond?

1.If she is truly "caring for mine", then how is it that four years later, the gm's house is still not repaired?

2. What if AOC had gotten behind the fundraising and even plopped in 10K herself? How much do you think they could have raised?

3. A simple agreement would be helpful. "Yes, a person who refuses to help her gm and refuses to accept help from others is pretty sorry." It would certainly allow us to move on.