So the physical construction like the Keystone xl pipeline that was providing jobs can be cancelled .Real ‘infrastructure’ projects involve improving and repairing the nation’s dilapidated roads, bridges and other transportation infrastructure, projects in which real people who work at real jobs to make a real living participate. Such people are no longer a significant constituency of the Democrat Party, Hell ,they don't even try to pretend that their agenda creates "shovel ready jobs."

Every other Dem wish list is now labeled "Human Infrastructure".

The proxies who run the country for Quid submitted an infrastructure plan that has far less than 25% of what would traditionally be called infrastructure spending . Most of the remainder of the bill is simply massive payoffs to Democrat Party funders

Hello Tom. America has grown and diversified since the good old 50's. I told you to keep up.

And the “plan” to pay for it won’t even provide half of what is needed.

Tom says it's too much, and Jl says it's not enough.

Seems we heard about this before, over and over again. Shovel ready projects, filling pot holes, maintaining bridges when shovel ready jobs like building a wall go begging

A capitalists who doesn't believe in investment, and fringer who just can't count. What a pair!

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I would vote against the entire bill if I could. It was the tax revenue that I said was "not enough".

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Seems we heard about this before, over and over again. Shovel ready projects, filling pot holes, maintaining bridges when shovel ready jobs like building a wall go begging

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A wall helps nothing.

It's employment, it keeps out undesirables, think before you speak

yeah I know . In 2021 American Jobs Plan means anything but jobs ;and it certainly isn't infrastructure . It is a All Out Crazy Green New Deal wish list .($10 billion to create a civilian climate corps )

It is more about tax increases than jobs or infrastructure .......(defined as the basic systems and services that are necessary for a country or an organization to run smoothly, for example buildings, transport and water and power supplies.”) infrastructure noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes |

Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

Yeah I know . The dictionary is so 1950s .

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It's employment, it keeps out undesirables, think before you speak

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Not enough jobs to keep the boats floating and will never stop enough undesirables and their drugs to be meaningful. Think before you speak.

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yeah I know . In 2021 American Jobs Plan means anything but jobs ;and it certainly isn't infrastructure . It is a All Out Crazy Green New Deal wish list .($10 billion to create a civilian climate corps )

It is more about tax increases than jobs or infrastructure .......(defined as the basic systems and services that are necessary for a country or an organization to run smoothly, for example buildings, transport and water and power supplies.”) infrastructure noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes |

Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

Yeah I know . The dictionary is so 1950s .

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Er shouldn't we be talking economics not semantics?

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yeah I know .

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Tom forgive me If I'm wrong but in a capitalist society arn't those things provided by the private sector

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You mean you finally got a perspective

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in a capitalist society arn't those things provided by the private sector

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Highways, bridges, school, and other such legitimate government undertakings are funded with taxes. You must listen more carefully, Grasshopper.

we weren't speaking about such things

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you really must pay attention, but then I can't expect that from a senior citizen can I? I'll just put it down to a senior moment

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Tom forgive me If I'm wrong but in a capitalist society arn't those things provided by the private sector

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We are a constitutional republic . REAL infrastructure is a legitimate government investment . To understand why you have to know the meaning and intent of Art 1 Sec 8 the Postal Road clause . Congress has the power "to establish . . . post Roads.”

A post road in the 1800s was an intercity highway punctuated with “posts” or “stages” with stables, inns for eating and sleeping, even newspaper offices. Today we call a post road an “interstate highway.” To establish a road meant to do everything necessary for the construction and maintenance of that road—laying out, construction building bridges, building canals etc.

Now in the 21st century can it be argued that broad band internet is part of the infrastructure ? Maybe . But the Dems expand the meaning beyond all rationale . They basically say all their socialist welfare wish list is "human infrastructure " .

It is nonsense that even they can't adequately define . It is in the eye of the beholder what is "human infrastructure" Like Humpty Dumpty they make words mean whatever they want them to mean.

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we weren't speaking about such things

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Uhm...actually, you were. "It is more about tax increases than jobs or infrastructure." Always been this forgetful???

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Now in the 21st century can it be argued that broad band internet is part of the infrastructure ? Maybe . But the Dems expand the meaning beyond all rationale . They basically say all their socialist welfare wish list is "human infrastructure " .

It is nonsense that even they can't adequately define . It is in the eye of the beholder what is "human infrastructure" Like Humpty Dumpty they make words mean whatever they want them to mean.

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Nice spin but doesn't address the countries needs at all, which you choose to badmouth as socialism. Like Obama Care you can always have a counter offer and maybe the American people will like it better...maybe not.

You're a capitalist, so crunch the numbers unless like your conservative buddy, you only count what you can hoard yourself, and hate government and taxes which you both have written about.

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Like Obama Care you can always have a counter offer and maybe the American people will like it better...maybe not.

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counter offer . Just say no . Don't do it Your counteroffer is how the Fabians operate ..creeping socialism at a slower pace .
The lust for spending doesn't end with the Dems
Insatiable !
$1.9 trillion for so called Covid relief
$2.25 trillion for infrastructure
$1.5 trillion for the annual budget
And that is not even 3 months in office
This adding to an already $28 trillion national debt (more than the total GDP of $21.4 trillion ) ...... and they haven't even scratched the surface of the Dem real wish list .... free medical care ....free college ....panem et circensus for the plebians of the empire ...... while we open the borders to all the Goths ,Visigoths and Vandals .

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Exactly. Don't spend money you don't have for stuff you don't need. Not really complicated.

You have the just say NO part down pat! We disagree about the need part, especially when you consider the return on investment within a decade and job-creation aspect that you no counting old Coots ignore!

if there was such a return on investment then private investment would cover it .

Exactly. Using the term "investment" for government spending is on the same level as referring to tax revenues as "gifts". It's simply ridiculous. It's what politicians have been doing since Obama to justify their stupid spending plans.

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I don't hear the rich guys squawking about raising their taxes to defray costs even the ones that pay no taxes...just politicians...publicly at least.

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I don't hear the rich guys squawking about raising their taxes to defray costs even the ones that pay no taxes...just politicians...publicly at least.

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Tal why squawk when you pay little tax, better to just lobby for more offsets, meanwhile the ones who will pay the tax are the wage plugs, the middle class and the stupid. If private investment were the bee all and end all, government largesse would be unnecessary but government, aka the administration, needs to be seen to be doing something

They don' t squawk . They vote with their actions . Well almost never squawk . Lately they found it judicious to do the woke squawk . My comment stands . If the government has to prop up a sector of the economy with public money then that sector probably should not exist in the market .... the exception being defense related . The worse public expenditure is to prop up rent seekers who's existence is due to the government trying to command create a market .

The liberal dems want to insist that an "infrastructure" bill is absolutely necessary, and then put forward an "infrastructure" bill that is largely NOT about infrastructure. Taxes will be raised sufficient to cover about half the cost, so deficit spending will increase even more. The public, sadly, has become dumb enough to accept all of this. Perhaps in two years the liberal dems will get massacred in the elections. One can only hope.

oh please jl you know that everything under the sun is stapled to a spending bill, stop the righteous indignation

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Yeah. We certainly wouldn't want to oppose corruption and deception in our government. Just let the rot continue. That's the Clete philosophy of citizenship?

When our stupid government runs up massive debts that my children and grandchildren will be saddled with for decades, then you better believe I'll shout about it. Perhaps you don't care about your children, but I care about mine.

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Yeah. We certainly wouldn't want to oppose corruption and deception in our government. Just let the rot continue. That's the Clete philosophy of citizenship?

When our stupid government runs up massive debts that my children and grandchildren will be saddled with for decades, then you better believe I'll shout about it. Perhaps you don't care about your children, but I care about mine.

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Not my philosophy, we don't allow such shenanigans and rightly so. Yes I care about my children and my grandchildren but only recently have we had a government willing to spend lavishly in the face of adversity so I see the problem in a different light. The economy must move and if certain sectors need help, then help should be given to get things moving. If you didn't have the preponderance of government weighing things down at every level, things might seem clearer to you too

Let the fringers tell it then anything anybody does for ordinary people who have little or no wealth then it's corrupt. If it costs a few bucks then it's debt. When they give rich guys mo'money then it's not debt or corruption.

Yeah they may worry about their kids and grand kids, but nobody else's for sure, unless you believe their LIES!

what ever happened to the idea of trickle down economics, give the rich more money and they will create jobs? A somewhat discredited theory that appears to be still in vogue

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Trickle down is still the repub mantra (though rebranded and marketed by the JOB CREATORS) and tax cuts always are the fuel along with generous legislation to legalize stealing and protect those lucrative extractions through the tax code. Which makes any po people program socialism even though it helps the middle classers mostly.

Just ask the conservative repubs here who always complain about the dems being socialist, and taking their money and running up deficits for their kids to repay. Understandable if your standing under the table when the crumbs fall, but forget it if you aren't invited under the table. In all honesty though that's what repubs are paid to do.

They just abandoned any semblance of caring about the deficit, or paying for anything, until dems get into control.

You think someone controls this, well maybe in the very high echelons of the gnomes of Zurich, but it is just lurching from one mistake to another

if they find they can get a better deal by being rent seekers that is the course they will take . The Dems lie out of their a$$ when they complain about corporate influence in the political process .

Yes, loaning money and owning property is always more lucrative than taking risk and being productive. However if we all adopted that attitude returns would quickly fall

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Money is power and influence. Always has been since the days of early man so what's your point?

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if they find they can get a better deal by being rent seekers that is the course they will take . The Dems lie out of their a$$ when they complain about corporate influence in the political process .

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See above and tell me it's just the dems lying about money in politics. Is that why the dufus and repubs lie and get donations up the ying yang?

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Money is power and influence. . Is that why the dufus and repubs lie and get donations up the ying yang?

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You answered your own question, not everyone is pleased quid occupies the WH, doesn't seem to do much else

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s that why the dufus and repubs lie and get donations up the ying yang?

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Biden has lied and lied repeatedly. I'm confident all the fair minded liberals here will be shocked and dismayed by this. (Sarcasm meter pegged)

https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/m...in-major-lies/

Another huge whopper. ""Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because all our predecessors were thick?"

A few months later, as a young Mr Biden was attempting to become the youngest US president since John F Kennedy, he made a speech containing an almost identical passage."

https://news.sky.com/story/the-neil-...l-bid-11703552

And another. "Near the debate's end, he said, "All you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington and go to Katie's Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years."News Journal feature writer Ryan Cormier blogged the next day that the Katie's mention caught him and food writer Patricia Talorico off guard. He said she checked "and realized Biden was referring to the long-closed Katie's Italian restaurant," two blocks from Union at Sixth and Scott streets."

The restaurant where he claimed to spend "a lot of time" had been closed for many years. Whoops.

https://www.delawareonline.com/story...azed/17172745/