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  • Nov 24, 2020, 10:21 AM
    tomder55
    Keep that gravy train running
    Quid appoints JFKerry has a special climate change envoy. Wondering how much of that Iranian tarmac money ended up in one of his family accounts ? As you know his son Chris Heinz was jointed at the hip with Hunter Biden in all the deals they made peddling their old man's influence.

    Last week Lurch was at the World Economic Forum where he said that the US would again join the Paris Climate agreement . But he said by itself it was not enough .He and other globalist socialists have been speaking of a " Great Reset "(I wonder if that comes with a red button?) Basically the Great Reset is the World Economic Forum's attempt to never let a crisis go to waste .

    They will seize on the economic crisis resulting from Covid 19 in a Cloward and Piven way to reshape the world economy ;specifically away from capitalism . Lurch said ;“The notion of a reset is more important than ever before,”..... “I personally believe…we’re at the dawn of an extremely exciting time.”
  • Nov 24, 2020, 10:37 AM
    jlisenbe
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    “I personally believe…we’re at the dawn of an extremely exciting time.”
    I'd certainly agree with that. Exciting in the same sense that earthquakes and tsunamis are exciting. We better get ready to develop some backbone.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 10:50 AM
    Wondergirl
    I hope Kerry will work towards undoing all the damage Trump has done and made plans to set into motion to despoil our beautiful wilderness and forest areas.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 10:56 AM
    talaniman
    You wingers should relax, catch your breath, and come down off the last few years of hyper foolishness. I know you won't since you and the dufus love a ruckus but that horse is dead for now.

    The dems already know they have a huge repub mess to correct, and it's not like they haven't done it before. Yeah Joe was there for that one so not like we aren't in reliable hands.

    Not that that reality will stop loony hollering, but who's listening?
  • Nov 24, 2020, 11:09 AM
    tomder55
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    I hope Kerry will work towards undoing all the damage Trump has done and made plans to set into motion to despoil our beautiful wilderness and forest areas.
    Trump gave his support and blessing to one of the largest conservation initiatives in our time. The bill he signed allocates $9.5 billion to fix crumbling national park infrastructure and permanently funds the Land and Water Conservation Fund . (Great American Outdoors Act ) .

    He also last year signed the John D. Dingell Jr. Conservation, Management, and Recreation Act designating 1.3 million acres as wilderness ;expanded several national parks and established 4 new national monuments . That was the first public lands bill passed in a decade ie in the whole reign of the emperor not one pro conservation land management bill was passed .

    He also announced that the United States would join the 'One Trillion Trees Initiative 'to plant, conserve, and restore trees on American soil and around the world.

    In his 4 years the U.S. had the largest absolute decline of energy-related carbon dioxide emissions of any country in the world. That is due to our greater use of clean American natural gas .

    Quid would reverse that gain as well . But he and JFKerry will jet into Davos once a year and pretend they are making a difference.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 11:20 AM
    talaniman
    I doubt any of what you say Tom, but we are seeing the increasing use and development of more clean energy than ever before and not just NG. Oh I forgot, some of you don't have any sun, or wind so all you know is gas.

    Maybe we can speak of the good stuff the dufus does when everybody's ears stop ring from the hollering and we recover from his abuses...like lying, cheating, stealing...and general chaos destroying the general peace with his big mouth.

    May be a while before the emotional dust settles from his reign of terror.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 11:23 AM
    jlisenbe
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    but we are seeing the increasing use and development of more clean energy than ever before and not just NG
    Thank you for giving Mr. Trump his due credit.

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    .like lying, cheating, stealing.
    It never fails to amuse me to listen to a Biden supporter complain about lying, cheating, and stealing.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 11:50 AM
    tomder55
    I'm hearing lefties talking about Quid being a new FDR .I don't see it . The man hasn't the energy . I expect he will try to coast through his 4 years and just pay back his many beneficiaries . But part of his deal to them was that he would appoint radicals like Alejandro Mayorkas who would pretty much leave the border wide open. His Sec State ran cover for Hunter Biden .Records show that Hunter requested a meeting with Anthony Blinken ;serving as Dept Sec State in the emperor's reign during the Burisma deal. But on top of that Blinken is another globalist and an interventionist . He wanted a more active US role in the Syrian civil war .
  • Nov 24, 2020, 11:56 AM
    talaniman
    Energy policies started long before the dufus, and Biden didn't inherit a good economy like the dufus did. I suppose it's your turn to bash the powers that be and that's fair. I enjoyed my turn to bash the powers that be at the time.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 11:59 AM
    tomder55
    I will give him credit He is appointing Janet Yellen as Sec Treasury . I give this credit only because Elizabeth Warren's name was floated for the job.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 12:01 PM
    talaniman
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    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I'm hearing lefties talking about Quid being a new FDR .I don't see it . The man hasn't the energy . I expect he will try to coast through his 4 years and just pay back his many beneficiaries . But part of his deal to them was that he would appoint radicals like Alejandro Mayorkas who would pretty much leave the border wide open. His Sec State ran cover for Hunter Biden .Records show that Hunter requested a meeting with Anthony Blinken ;serving as Dept Sec State in the emperor's reign during the Burisma deal. But on top of that Blinken is another globalist and an interventionist . He wanted a more active US role in the Syrian civil war .

    I can forgive ideology for competence and hawk or no, they do have experience. Forgive e if I'm still thrilled we made the dufus a one term president and have a shot at making turtle face a minority leader.

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    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I will give him credit He is appointing Janet Yellen as Sec Treasury . I give this credit only because Elizabeth Warren's name was floated for the job.

    Yellen is infinitely qualified. Attorney General is who I'm waiting to see.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 12:24 PM
    tomder55
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    Yellen is infinitely qualified. Attorney General is who I'm waiting to see.
    I'm betting it will be one of the Russiagate conspirators . Since he is making it a point to checking off the pc boxes it will probably be Sally Yates .

    The thing is also he is keeping his powder dry until after the Jan Georgia Senate run off . So far he has appointed former Obot deep state swamp critters . I think his appeasing the All Out Crazies of the party will happen after then
  • Nov 24, 2020, 01:11 PM
    Curlyben
    Favoritism, Cronyism, and Nepotism are a fact of life in politics, never more so than the outgoing administration.
    Now I wonder how many of Biden's cronies will be indicted for crimes and misdemeanors while pretending to run the country...
  • Nov 24, 2020, 01:25 PM
    jlisenbe
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    Favoritism, Cronyism, and Nepotism are a fact of life in politics,
    They are a fact of life because people on message boards and elsewhere accept them as a fact of life, and so we don't insist on better.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 01:29 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    They are a fact of life because people on message boards and elsewhere accept them as a fact of life, and so we don't insist on better.

    What would your ideal government look like?
  • Nov 24, 2020, 01:34 PM
    jlisenbe
    Now that's a good question. My ideal fed govt. would confine itself to the five purposes outlined in the Preamble. Maintain court systems, domestic peace, national defense, provide for the GENERAL welfare, and preserve the amazing blessings of liberty for our children. We would use at least half of our brain and have balanced budgets. We would have sane tax policies. We would not take money from one American to give to another American who is mentally and physically healthy. Internationally we would largely mind our own business, and we would not waste our money supporting nations who do not spend sufficiently on their own defense.

    I guess that's a start. It's at least the major items, or at least I suppose it is.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 02:32 PM
    talaniman
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    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I'm betting it will be one of the Russiagate conspirators . Since he is making it a point to checking off the pc boxes it will probably be Sally Yates .

    The thing is also he is keeping his powder dry until after the Jan Georgia Senate run off . So far he has appointed former Obot deep state swamp critters . I think his appeasing the All Out Crazies of the party will happen after then

    Yates is a good pick, but Jeh Johnson would be my choice. Biden appears to go for qualified experienced people and understandable many from The Obama era have his trust and confidence.

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    Originally Posted by Curlyben View Post
    Favoritism, Cronyism, and Nepotism are a fact of life in politics, never more so than the outgoing administration.
    Now I wonder how many of Biden's cronies will be indicted for crimes and misdemeanors while pretending to run the country...

    Speaking of which the dufus better hurry and pardon himself before it's too late.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 02:38 PM
    talaniman
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Now that's a good question. My ideal fed govt. would confine itself to the five purposes outlined in the Preamble. Maintain court systems, domestic peace, national defense, provide for the GENERAL welfare, and preserve the amazing blessings of liberty for our children.

    Agree!

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    We would use at least half of our brain and have balanced budgets. We would have sane tax policies. We would not take money from one American to give to another American who is mentally and physically healthy. Internationally we would largely mind our own business, and we would not waste our money supporting nations who do not spend sufficiently on their own defense.

    I guess that's a start. It's at least the major items, or at least I suppose it is.
    We booted that guy out! Sorry, but I'll add equality to the list.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 02:58 PM
    jlisenbe
    I'm all for equality under the law, if that's what you are referring to.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 03:28 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I'm all for equality under the law, if that's what you are referring to.

    But we're all not equal.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 03:29 PM
    paraclete
    some are more equal than others, it depends on how many lawyers you can afford
  • Nov 24, 2020, 03:33 PM
    jlisenbe
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    But we're all not equal
    If you can identify a specific area where we are not afforded equal protection under law, then I will join with you in calling for change.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 03:44 PM
    tomder55
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    Favoritism, Cronyism, and Nepotism are a fact of life in politics, never more so than the outgoing administration.
    Now I wonder how many of Biden's cronies will be indicted for crimes and misdemeanors while pretending to run the count
    The question is how many will deserve to be indicted .If in fact he picks Sally Yates for Justice Dept then the crooked media will proclaim the whole lot of them saints running the cleanest administration ever . Watching in amusement as the complicit press is orgasmic about how experienced' Quid's cabinet choices are. They have all been in the swamp for decades ;with years of failure, never getting any results or success. All the problems Biden ran on, never got fixed by this bunch.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 04:12 PM
    jlisenbe
    The question was often asked of both HC and JB, "What have they accomplished?" The answer is generally the chirping of crickets.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 04:18 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If you can identify a specific area where we are not afforded equal protection under law, then I will join with you in calling for change.

    I said we're not all equal. And are not considered equal. Big difference from what you said.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 04:26 PM
    jlisenbe
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    I said we're not all equal. And are not considered equal. Big difference from what you said.
    As I understand it, we are equal in two ways. The D of I says we are all created equal before God. Legally, we are to be afforded equal protection under law. As to the rest of it, I doubt there are any two people on the earth that are completely equal. Lebron James, for instance, is a fantastically more gifted athlete than I am.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 04:43 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    As I understand it, we are equal in two ways. The D of I says we are all created equal before God. Legally, we are to be afforded equal protection under law. As to the rest of it, I doubt there are any two people on the earth that are completely equal. Lebron James, for instance, is a fantastically more gifted athlete than I am.

    Thus, immigrants' children who are born in this country are also equal under the law. Are their naturalized parents also equal under the law??
  • Nov 24, 2020, 04:56 PM
    jlisenbe
    They are. The key word, of course, is "naturalized", meaning they have become U.S. citizens.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 05:45 PM
    tomder55
    Quid introduced his national security team today for 45 minutes . Then he walked off the stage without taking any questions from reporters . My God ! He won't even take questions from pom pom waiving cheerleaders . Guessing he will claim he's running a transparent administration .
  • Nov 24, 2020, 05:47 PM
    jlisenbe
    Might have forgotten what he was doing??
  • Nov 24, 2020, 06:08 PM
    paraclete
    No he just doesn't want to be put on the spot
  • Nov 24, 2020, 06:29 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    No he just doesn't want to be put on the spot
    I think you nailed it.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 06:30 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    As I understand it, we are equal in two ways. The D of I says we are all created equal before God. Legally, we are to be afforded equal protection under law.

    Why then was there gerrymandering before the November election, polling places were shut down, poll watchers were recruited, mailed-in votes were tossed out, et al?
  • Nov 24, 2020, 06:41 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    No he just doesn't want to be put on the spot

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I think you nailed it.

    Put on the spot about what?
  • Nov 24, 2020, 07:20 PM
    paraclete
    the details, his choices, the appointments he hasn't made yet

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...b3e49e09ce3743
  • Nov 24, 2020, 07:30 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    the details, his choices, the appointments he hasn't made yet

    The details were in the intros, his choices were present, and he isn't president yet, so no hurry on making appointments.
  • Nov 24, 2020, 08:14 PM
    jlisenbe
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    Why then was there gerrymandering before the November election, polling places were shut down, poll watchers were recruited, mailed-in votes were tossed out, et al?
    Not sure what that has to do with those immigrant families you mentioned. I would think it would effect a lot of people if it's true. Now if you can find documentation of those things, then I will join you in denouncing them if you will join me in denouncing the insane practice of mass mailouts of ballots which are then mailed back in with very little ability to verify if they are legal votes or not.

    Deal?
  • Nov 24, 2020, 09:01 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Not sure what that has to do with those immigrant families you mentioned. I would think it would effect a lot of people if it's true.

    Yes, it affected a lot of voters. It had very little to do with immigrant families unless they are brown. Plus, black voters were very much affected.
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    Now if you can find documentation of those things, then I will join you in denouncing them if you will join me in denouncing the insane practice of mass mailouts of ballots which are then mailed back in with very little ability to verify if they are legal votes or not.
    Documentation was on a variety of TV stations and can be found by googling for videos of long lines of voters who stood in line for many hours. And as I've said before, there wasn't mass mail-outs of ballots (to everyone between 2 and 89?). Signatures on those ballots were verified with signatures on file. Many states sent out applications first to registered voters.
  • Nov 25, 2020, 03:18 AM
    tomder55
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    The details were in the intros, his choices were present, and he isn't president yet, so no hurry on making appointments.
    These were safe appointments meant to not rock the boat until after the Jan 5 runoffs .The Dems have this trojan horse strategery down pat .

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    Yes, it affected a lot of voters. It had very little to do with immigrant families unless they are brown. Plus, black voters were very much affected.
    There was NO gerrymandering before the election Redistricting takes place after the census once every 10 years .Next year comes gerrymandering ;and many states have mandated different methods ;and of course now the courts intervene in redistricting decisions more often

    And redistricting cuts both ways. I was once in a safe Republican district represented by one of the statesmen of our time. 20 years ago his district was gerrymandered out of existence and I was added to Elliot Engel's district even though I live on the other side of the Hudson river from where the majority of the district resides . But at least Engel had a solid foreign policy record .
    10 years ago I was gerrymandered again and put in lib Nita Lowey's district . Again across the river from the majority of the district .

    Engel was primaried out this cycle and now his district will be represented by a radical socialist . Lowey retired this cycle and now starting next year I will be represented by a radical lefty who's accomplishments are that he will be the first Black /Gay member of Congress . wooohoo ... ! I haven't had a representative in 20 years . So maybe I should feel disenfranchised . (and forget NY STATE governance . The Dems have a strangle hold on it . )
  • Nov 25, 2020, 04:30 AM
    paraclete
    Tom you are not suggesting NY is corrupt, are you. Federal elections should be decided on electoral boundries set by a federal agency, not a corrupt state one

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