Here is when he called daughters of the Confederacy who fly the confederate flag "fine people " .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGOgBULMs6Y

Democrats evidently have forgiven him for calling those confederate defenders 'fine people .' You will hear them condemn Trump a thousand times over even though he never really said it .

When speaking of the crime bill he co-sponsored with Strom Thurman , he said " we do everything except hang people for jaywalking ."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVgNB1rr6Mg

Yes he did say this "You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU

Yes he did say this about the emperor . (Obama's ) "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean."

He boasted of working with “I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland,” Biden said as he briefly imitated the late senator’s southern drawl. “He never called me boy. He always called me son.” Eastland of Mississippi and Herman Talmadge of Georgia were firmly opposed to desegregation efforts. Sen Cory Booker said this about Biden's comment:“Vice President Biden’s relationships with proud segregationists are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people, and for everyone. He went on and said “I have to tell Vice President Biden, as someone I respect, that he is wrong for using his relationships with Eastland and Talmadge as examples of how to bring our country together,” And frankly, I’m disappointed that he hasn’t issued an immediate apology for the pain his words are dredging up for many Americans. He should.”

”Kamala Harris said :"If those men had their way, I wouldn't' be in the United States Senate and on this elevator right now."

While campaigning in Iowa this year he said "“Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.” and most recently when speaking to Charlamagne tha God he said if Charlamagne had trouble deciding to vote for Biden or Trump that "he aint Black "

During a debate in September he was asked ;“What responsibility do you think that Americans need to take to repair the legacy of slavery in our country?” He went on a rambling incoherent rant where he tried to defend his record He did not even try to reconcile his current positions with his past(mixed in with some thoughts about Venezuela ) . Here it is for what it is worth : Well, they have to deal with the — look, there’s institutional segregation in this country. From the time I got involved, I started dealing with that. Redlining banks, making sure we are in a position where — look, you talk about education. I propose is we take the very poor schools, triple the amount of money we spend from $15 to $45 billion a year. Give every single teacher a raise to the $60,000 level.Number two, make sure that we bring in to help the teachers deal with the problems that come from home. The problems that come from home, we have one school psychologist for every 1,500 kids in America today. It’s crazy. The teachers are — I’m married to a teacher, my deceased wife is a teacher. They have every problem coming to them. Make sure that every single child does, in fact, have 3, 4 and 5-year-olds go to school. Not day care, school.
Social workers help parents deal with how to raise their children. It’s not that they don’t want to help, they don’t know what to play the radio, make sure the television — excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night, the — make sure that kids hear words, a kid coming from a very poor school — a very poor background will hear 4 million words fewer spoken by the time we get there.
MODERATOR: Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
Biden: No, I’m going to go like the rest of them do, twice over. Because here’s the deal. The deal is that we’ve got this a little backwards. By the way, in Venezuela, we should be allowing people to come here from Venezuela. I know Maduro. I’ve confronted Maduro. You talk about the need to do something in Latin America. I’m the guy that came up with $740 million, to see to it those three countries, in fact, changed their system to people don’t have to chance to leave. You’re acting like we just discovered this yesterday. Thank you very much.

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And frankly, I’m disappointed that he hasn’t issued an immediate apology for the pain his words are dredging up for many Americans. He should.

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We are living in the age of apologies. Say something that the speech police object to, and you will be hounded until you grovel sufficiently and apologize as though you had murdered someone.

When Biden meets Trump in a debate, it's going to be interesting. One man says whatever he thinks, and the other one desperately tries to say something that sounds even halfway thought out. It will be interesting for whoever watches it. I'm not sure I can stand it. I would advise Trump to stay plain vanilla and let America see how far down Biden has gone.

You must respect the old, it is so hard to get ajob at his age

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Yup, that Trump guy. Reads his speeches like he's in third grade. "Monotone is my friend!" Repeats phrases over and over in the same speech until his listeners cheer. Demosthenes he is not!

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That one made me laugh!

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attach...chmentid=49311

we are not a tribe with elders representing us . Trump is showing signs of age too .

But this is not about that . What I want to see is at least one honest broker like Tim Russert was .He would show a video of a pol saying one thing and then go to another video where the pol said something completely different and challenge them about the contradiction.

Biden's positions on issues like race and crime are 180 degree different than what they were when he was a Senator . He has consistently put his finger into the wind to see where he should stand and what to say . He does it too often and when he is asked he shrugs it off as having a road to Damascus evolution ......and the compliant press accepts that and doesn't press him on it .

I would be curious to see if he could come up with coherent explanations .
It's every major issue you can find a Biden position and a completely different one now .

Abortion . He claimed to be a middle of the road dude . He said Roe went too far and supported the Hyde Amendment which prevented Federal funds for abortion . Now he's flipped on Hyde and condemns efforts to reverse Roe

Iraq ;he supported the war .Then he said he regretted his vote and then made an insane proposal to partition the country into separate religious tribes .

Immigration ; He supported the border wall during the Bush years and said immigrants should be required to learn English ;and opposed amnesty . He now favors amnesty . It is unclear where he stands on a border wall ;but I guess he opposed it now .

Women . His creepy womanizing is notorious . He trashed Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings . His treatment of women has singlehandedly destroyed the Metoo movement . Hiding in his basement makes it hard for us to witness his habitual touching kissing and sniffing of women and girls alike .

Race ;he opposed desegregation and aligned himself with all the Dixicrats . As I mentioned in the op .His racist tendencies are still manifest to this day . It is the one thing he has not changed . He shows a disgusting condescending attitude while he in turn accuses every one of his opponents as being racists . 2012 he told a Black audience that Mitt Romney would put them back in chains .

Guns .He voted for the “Firearms Owners’ Protection Act (FOPA),” in 1986 which the gun lobby touts as the bill that saved 2nd amendment rights .He is now a hard line anti-gun advocate while trying to split the baby claiming he is not anti-gun. Of course his idea of having a gun for self defense amounts to advising people to have a shot gun ;no doubt loaded with rock salt shells .

Biden was one of the leaders of the War on Drugs Trump is still reversing Bidens draconian sentencing Federal laws he championed .

Gay Marriage . He voted for the Defense of Marriage act . Now he favors gay marriage .

Energy . He was in favor of clean coal Now he as All Out Crazy as an energy advisor promoting the Green New Deal .

Entitlements . He was in favor of freezes of benefit levels and means testing to help balance the budget. Now like everyone else in the swamp ,he could care less about a balanced budget.

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TRUMP: "When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases."

It's a good thing we are the greatest nation in the world...for whatever that's worth, and it is silly season, the longest I've ever seen, but 3 years of dufus jokes, maybe a change is well overdo. I've been ready to roll the dice for a while cause the local dog catcher ain't worth crap either.

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TRUMP: "When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases.

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I was speaking of his physical health. I learned in 2016 to pay attention to what he does ;and not necessarily to what he says .

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What he says and how he says it tell us a lot about his mental health.

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no he could be sharp as a tack and not express himself like a Harvard grad . One has nothing to do with the other .

I think what Trump said there was rather obvious . There is no doubt that the more testing we are doing the more cases are going to be discovered . Isn't that why everyone was emphasizing testing in the first place ?

So maybe you mock him because he doesn't speak in an Ivy League high brow manner . But most of the country knows exactly what he means .

Biden sharp as a tack what reality do you live in? There should be an age limit on politicians

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as usual the discussion has drifted to Trump because the comments I made about Biden are indisputable .

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Precisely correct. And I don't think you mentioned the sexual assault allegation.

Since when did these forums stay on subject for long, and expecting no return rocks for my man Joe is insane. That's why Tom made this post. He knows what he is doing. If I were Biden I would raise money, and let the dufus flap his gums.

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Since when did these forums stay on subject for long, and expecting no return rocks for my man Joe is insane. That's why Tom made this post. He knows what he is doing. If I were Biden I would raise money, and let the dufus flap his gums.

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Since when did these forums stay on subject for long, and expecting no return rocks for my man Joe is insane. That's why Tom made this post. He knows what he is doing. If I were Biden I would raise money, and let the dufus flap his gums.

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Thank you . And yes ;only Trump can beat Trump given the opponent . It is scary that the Dems think he is their best chance.

There is no perfect candidate but after 3 years of antics, the dufus has loads of sound bites to make some good ads, and just conditions are right currently to expose his incompetence. In additions Tom, conservative repubs have began running their own ads against the dufus and if Obama can help Joe at all the dufus is in real trouble.

2020 is all about the bases turning out, especially in those key places the dufus barely won, and dems have a great shot at not only holding the house, but eroding the senate, so defanging the dufus is almost as good as kicking him to the curb.

Don't let this virus stall the economy either as reopening is very different than staying open, and ignoring it wont help. People are not wearing masks as they were before, and that's not a good sign. This crisis may decide the election for us.

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The economic numbers from May reveal something, but it's not incompetence.

When Biden gets connected, as he is, with CHOP and the radical elements of the left, it's going to be trouble for him. His radical support of the trans-gender movement, including his support of allowing boys who think they are girls to compete with the real girls in athletics and shower/dress in the girls' locker rooms will be hard to justify. The big question is, can Trump discipline himself enough to take advantage of it?

Repubs will stick with their rhetoric, dems stick with theirs, and we vote to decide. If repubs can forget the dufus shortcomings and vote for his, then dems can forgive my man Joe his. Some may have to hold their noses and vote for Joe, but I doubt you would object to that would you?

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I'm just glad to hear you admit that it works in both directions. Congratulations! So now you have to decide if you really want to vote for a man who is going to actively work to make sure that boys who think they are girls can shower and change clothes with the kids who really ARE girls and who can compete athletically with them.

Get off it. Those exaggerated side social issues are irrelevant as less than isolated and the rarest if anything issues.

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They are to you. They're not to a lot of people. If I have a daughter being faced with that, I'd be angry.

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Have you done any honest research into transgender, like what happened to the developing babies when pregnant women were given DES to prevent a miscarriage? Or have you ever researched pregnancy in general to find out about all the hormones that wash over that fetus and affect its development? Didn't think you had.... Plus, please take time to have some honest conversations with trans women to hear their stories.

Actually, I have done what you described. Sad that you are so quick to be negative about other people who don't happen to agree with you. "Didn't think you had." I was a science major. I'll talk science with you anytime you want to.

Have you ever researched XX chromosomes? Have you ever noticed that people are born with one of two distinct sexual makeups?

Now do I have sympathy for trans-gender people? I most certainly do, just like I have sympathy for anyone with a mental disorder. Do I think boys should be able to shower with girls, or compete unfairly with them in athletics? Absolutely not.

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there have been NeverTrumpers since 2016 . Nothing new there . Many conservatives have a comfort zone in the swamp.

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I think it is more than the base . The incumbent has to win the undecideds . On that front Trump hurts himself with his messaging . He is the incumbent so he should stop silly twitter wars and speak directly to the people .

The election will not be decided on the social issues . Opinions can't be changed on those . The issues will be the economy ;the virus ;and LAW AND ORDER . Look for Trump to appeal to the undecided with that message . Look for Trump's appeal to the "silent majority " who are appalled at the violence in the streets . They don't like seeing whole sections of cities burned ,looted or occupied and the Democrats in charge of these towns let this happen . The silent majority does not like seeing 700 cops hurt during 'peaceful protests' . Many of these folks are afraid to speak out against the accusation that they or their country is inherently racist because the woke crowd has the ability to silence them with virtue shaming that can lead to real consequences for exercising their freedom of expression. If the CEO of CrossFit, a Libertarian who refused to embrace Black Lives Matter, but who has no history of racism, was forced to resign from the firm he founded....if editors of prominent newspapers and magazines have been forced to step down for the sin of bucking progressive dogma, or even publishing a contrary opinion then what chance does a MAGA hat wearing person in NYC have ? Would you wear one here ? How many of them secretly support Trump but are afraid to say so ?

The majority does not want the police defunded . The vast majority think that peaceful protest is appropriate when an unarmed man is murdered by a cop ;but the vast majority do not believe these protests have been peaceful and that the Democrats in some cases like Chris Cuomo think that the violent protests are appropriate .

This silent majority who are called inherently racist twice helped elect the emperor .They know in their hearts they and their country are not racist . But that appears to be the Dem message . For Biden to win ;the economy must not recover ;there has to be a second wave of the virus ,and the silent majority have to be convinced that they are the problem . Good luck with that

That's a good post, Tom. It is the undeclared voters that decide elections. If Trump would learn to keep his big mouth shut, he would be in a better position.

I think you're right that the defund the police idea is going to be important. Most people understand that's a terrible idea. Biden will have to walk a tightrope on that one. Part of me hopes that Seattle will defund their police and redirect the money elsewhere. A few months of that, and it will become obvious that it's a loser.

Judging from the results of May, the economy is going to be much better, but it's still early.

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Covid-19 is surging again, thanks to the people who are in too big of a hurry to rip off their masks and gather in close proximity to each other.

Racism is and has always been, but a tool of the elite to separate and divide the lower classes. It works well and the victims vilified, ignored, and opposed to keep positive change through unity and self interest from happening.

There's peaceful protest and there are criminals and loons. Hard to tell the difference because of fear, so we have chaos, an impediment to progress. Defunding the cops is lousy PR, therefore counter productive to making needed changes and defining the need for more services, so chaos is understandable. I thought by now the meaning would be clarified, but obviously more is needed.

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I'll have to think about that one. How do the elite encourage racism?

Let's start at the founding documents, all men created equal, while preserving the right of some to treat others as slaves and dominate the rest.

the works of men are imperfect but some don't recognise it

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True enough. But the question was more of how do the elite encourage racism now?

The very same way the founding fathers did.

This is not the case now. "preserving the right of some to treat others as slaves and dominate the rest." So again, how are the elite, including, I suppose, the Hollywood and liberal elites, encouraging racism now?

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that wasn't really the case . It is real easy to put 21st century values on men of the 18th century . The framers wrestled with slavery .Some were comfortable with the institution ;others were ahead of their time and were firmly abolitionists . Some of the most prominent ones were torn . Jefferson who owned slaves called it a “hideous blot” on America.Washington, who owned hundreds of slaves, denounced it as “repugnant.” James Mason, a Virginia slave owner, condemned it as “evil.”They walked a tight rope . As we now know it,it would take a war that killed over 600,000 Americans to settle the issue .

But their goal in the mid 1780s was to forge a nation from states that were really established from diverse people whose loyalties were originally to their colony and later to their state in a very loose confederation .

The issue of slavery being unsolvable at the time ;they did what they could do . They punted the issue . Congress would have the power to ban the slave trade, but not until 1800. The convention voted to extend the date to 1808.Let the next generation solve it . Had they known it would tear the country apart ,they probably would've handled it differently . But more likely ,the nation would've never happened .
They also compromised to weaken the power of the South (at the time the South had larger populations especially when considering the slave population . In a representative government the Southern states would dominate . So they came up with the 3/5th compromise which said that for purposes of representation the slaves would only be counted as 3/5th instead of 1 . The intention was not the say a slave was less than a white person . It was specifically meant to dilute the representation the southern states would have on the Federal government. As it was ,of the 1st 7 Presidents ,4 were from Virginia ,and the other 2 (the Adams ) had very controversial victories (Jackson from Tennessee also had southern roots being from the Carolinas ) . They also created the bicameral legislature so that in the Senate all states would have the same number of representatives . The early Senate was critical in creating the compromises that kept the nation united into the middle 1800s . The compromises the framers agreed to,were designed to tolerate slavery where it currently existed, not to endorse or advance the institution.The compromises the Senate later made were to contain the spread of slavery into the new territories . Eventually the differences became irreconcilable (big hat tip to SCOTUS for blowing up that system and accelerating us into violent civil war )

If there had been no compromise on slavery, there would have been no united nation. The Brits would have simply taken us apart one state or alliance at a time, and that would have been it. The history of our country has been one of continually rectifying past sins. If you can find the perfect country, I'd like to hear about it.

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You're so right! There's never been a perfect country anyway, so the sin of slavery (not ALL men are created equal...) committed by the US is easily forgivable. Shucks! Wish I'd realized that before now!

Tell you what. Go live in Mexico, or any country in Africa, or any country in S. America, and then come back after a year. You will be a happy person to get back here.