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  • Aug 10, 2019, 06:22 AM
    tomder55
    How covenient ...a whole bunch of swamp critters breathe a sigh of relief
    Epstein commits Arkanacide


    https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/convicted-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-dead/
  • Aug 10, 2019, 06:41 AM
    tomder55
    and Bubba said ;
    https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/23f146e...d-7a1887ee2ee8
  • Aug 10, 2019, 07:01 AM
    paraclete
    Prison is not a safe place
  • Aug 10, 2019, 09:19 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post


    Trump's personal attorney Barr was "livid" when he found out.
  • Aug 10, 2019, 09:22 AM
    tomder55
    yup a rock was lifted and a bunch of snakes scattered . But now they can sleep well at night. Another group of innocent victims who courageously came forward; denied justice ……………………...again .
  • Aug 10, 2019, 09:51 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Prison is not a safe place

    especially when the deep state wants gone Just ask Whitey Bulger (Comey and Mueller sleep better )

    But the Clintoons are the masters . Just ask James McDougal .Key witness in the Starr investigation who died from a heart attack in jail. There are ultiple other coincidental deaths surrounding Bubba and Evita . Besides the well known famous suicide of Evita's colleague at Rose Law Firm Vince Foster ,the sequence that most intrigues me is the case of Ron Brown. Bubba's Commerce Sec ,Brown was under investigation and supposedly was going to cut a Deal .The plane he was in on his way to a trade mission crashed . A pathologist found a hole in the back of his head resembling a gun shot wound. The next day ,his attorney was murdered in a drive by shooting . Then a few days after the crash ;the air traffic controller monitoring Brown's flight committed Arkanside
  • Aug 10, 2019, 12:33 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Trump's personal attorney Barr was "livid" when he found out.


    He is AG and not Trump's personal attorney .


    Barr said that he was "appalled" to learn of Epstein's death while in federal custody and that the incident “raises serious questions that must be answered.” The Justice Dept will conduct an investigation . This is a DOJ failure .
    U.S. Attorney Berman has some 'splain to do .Evidently he was taken off suicide watch . I wonder who provided the rope.

    www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prison-experts-are-stunned-angry-jeffrey-epstein-was-taken-suicide-n1041121
  • Aug 10, 2019, 12:38 PM
    tomder55
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89D...D9VwF8VdZrdVyc
  • Aug 10, 2019, 12:40 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post

    He is AG and not Trump's personal attorney .



    I guess you have not been watching the TV news or reading the papers for the last few months.
  • Aug 10, 2019, 03:01 PM
    tomder55
    lets put it this way . He's as much Trump's personal lawyer is as Loretta ;secret meetings on the tarmac ,Lynch was for the emperor ,or Eric ,contempt of Congress Holder , was for the emperor .
  • Aug 10, 2019, 03:18 PM
    tomder55
    https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...e2&oe=5DD12880
  • Aug 10, 2019, 03:58 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    lets put it this way . He's as much Trump's personal lawyer is as Loretta ;secret meetings on the tarmac ,Lynch was for the emperor ,or Eric ,contempt of Congress Holder , was for the emperor .


    None of that changes the fact that Barr is a failure at representing the American people as AG. His letter of application where he misstates the basic law re Kings and Emperors and presidents is an embarrassment to anyone who respects the law.
  • Aug 10, 2019, 04:29 PM
    talaniman
    Conservatives and right wing loonies love to spin and exaggerate the Obama administration, but cannot bring themselves to admit this is the most corrupt, incompetent, chaotic administration in our history. Doesn't come close to Nixon and he got caught. I know tax cuts for the rich, and tough cruel talk, and actions keeps you enthralled, but I would wait on that sigh of relief for a while as more documents and revelations about Epstein are sure to surface, and no telling whose name gets spit out. The guy spent a lifetime building wealth and doing all kinds of stuff, and I suspect we have barely scratched the surface of it.
  • Aug 10, 2019, 05:48 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    I would wait on that sigh of relief for a while
    I hope all the slugs who traveled to Epstein's pedophile Island get caught . All I'm saying is that it is very likely that they made the call that 'dead men tell no tales' . I have no political dog in that fight . Republican ;Democrat ,if they went there to abuse Epstein's sex slaves then castration is the most lenient punishment I would prescribe.
  • Aug 11, 2019, 06:45 AM
    talaniman
    I can only agree with that sentiment, and hope the victims of this peodiphile predator and his enablers get their justice.

    They had a big roundup of migrants in Mississippi last week and I know that will be cheered by many and the absolute cruelty and poor planning will be ignored. Of course the employers will face no consequences, other than they need more workers to replace the detained ones.

    While I can get with enforcing the law, I have always advocated for the most human efficient implementation of that enforcement. Again the dufus administration deeply disappoints in that regard, but no surprise there. O'Rourke just unloaded on the dufus visit claiming none of the shooting victims in El Paso agreed to see the prez, so he settled for a photo with the orphaned baby whose parents were massacred. Consoler in chief he ain't. He adds to the general depression as I realize for all the lofty words and intent, we as a nation fall far short of the goal, and the dufus is but the face of that failure, not the cause.
  • Aug 11, 2019, 09:18 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Of course the employers will face no consequences

    They should unless they can prove that 100s of illegals passed E-Verify.
    Quote:

    While I can get with enforcing the law, I have always advocated for the most human efficient implementation of that enforcement

    What do you do ? Advertise ahead of time and announce that illegals at these plants should have accommodations for their children if they get detained ? If we break the law we get detained and they are not going to delay that to be more humane about it .

    Beto's cheap shots from the cheap seats is disgusting I think it is deplorable that Trump ,acting in his role as President would be condemned for going to El Paso to attempt to give comfort . If he didn't he would've been condemned worse .
  • Aug 11, 2019, 09:29 AM
    Athos
    Taking a photo op with that baby, Trump all smiles and thumb up, was in breathtakingly poor bad taste. One story had him asking/ordering for the baby to be brought to the hospital for that purpose when none - ZERO - of the victims agreed to see him.

    Not a day goes by when this evil goon fails to surpass the previous day's evil.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I think it is deplorable that Trump ,acting in his role as President would be condemned for going to El Paso to attempt to give comfort ..

    "To give comfort"??????????? Are you crazy? These are the people he encouraged the shooter to kill. The killer followed Trump's twitter to the tune of dozens dead and injured.
  • Aug 11, 2019, 10:03 AM
    tomder55
    yeah and Bernie Sanders encouraged a shooter to take shots at Republican Reps .And Elizabeth Warren encouraged the Dayton shooter . Do you know how crazy you sound ?
  • Aug 11, 2019, 10:06 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    yeah and Bernie Sanders encouraged a shooter to take shots at Republican Reps .And Elizabeth Warren encouraged the Dayton shooter . Do you know how crazy you sound ?


    Your post (again) reveals how out of touch you are with Trump's actions. Did you see the rally where Trump encouraged the "Shoot them" comment from his audience? That's only one among many. Who sounds crazy now?
  • Aug 11, 2019, 10:23 AM
    tomder55
    Trump "encouraged " a chant of shoot them ? Not true .
    But I do recall a rally where Trump specifically said that he could not order people crossing the border shot . Then ONE rally goer shouted 'shoot them' and Trump made a flippant joke that could happen "only in the pan handle ". Is that the one you are referring to ? Because that is hardly encouraging shooting
  • Aug 11, 2019, 10:36 AM
    Athos
    Yes, that's the one. We disagree on how that was received.

    His smile, his flippant attitude, his momentary silence - all are kinds of encouragement, especially to the shooters who are frequently quoting Trump in their farewell notes.

    I don't think this is even debatable. Instead of clearly and forcefully CONDEMNING these crazies, he uses the killings as a political chance to promote himself.
  • Aug 11, 2019, 10:55 AM
    Wondergirl
    tomder -- "only in the panhandle"

    The Texas Panhandle is 'way up north.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Panhandle

    https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/ryp01
  • Aug 11, 2019, 11:31 AM
    tomder55
    unless he was refering to the Florida pan handle .

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...le_Florida.png

    Quote:

    His smile, his flippant attitude, his momentary silence - all are kinds of encouragement, especially to the shooters who are frequently quoting Trump in their farewell notes.

    must be like those mysterious dog whistles .
  • Aug 11, 2019, 11:32 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Trump "encouraged " a chant of shoot them ? Not true .
    But I do recall a rally where Trump specifically said that he could not order people crossing the border shot . Then ONE rally goer shouted 'shoot them' and Trump made a flippant joke that could happen "only in the pan handle ". Is that the one you are referring to ? Because that is hardly encouraging shooting

    That may be very true but in half way sane reasonable minds, but we are talking crazy racist psychopathic homicidal sociopaths here. I believe a reasonable person would be mindful of that when he is in a public forum with an audience. Is that too much to expect from a leader?

    There is nothing mysterious about dog whistles! Why is that so hard for non minorities to understand?
  • Aug 11, 2019, 11:45 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    we are talking crazy racist psychopathic homicidal sociopaths here.

    and he was there at the rally yelling 'shoot them' ? No of course not . Again ;if his words inspired a "
    crazy racist psychopathic homicidal sociopaths " then Sanders and Warren did the same .

    Quote:

    There is nothing mysterious about dog whistles! Why is that so hard for non minorities to understand?

    because if we were using secret coded " dog whistles "to communicate then it would be designed so minorities wouldn't understand it .The truth is that the left assigns the label "dog whistles" to words to shape the language to mean what they want it to mean. In other words you don't hear the phrase labelling anything that progressives say . But it is used constantly to smear the language and intent of conservatives .

    But maybe we should start assigning them ..How about the words
    "Inclusiveness" "Diversity" really are dog whistles for 'no whites allowed ? ' hmmmm now the shoe is on the other foot.
  • Aug 11, 2019, 11:53 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    and he was there at the rally yelling 'shoot them' ? No of course not .


    That rally scene has been played thousands of times on TV. Of course, he saw it, just as you did and you weren't there, were you?
  • Aug 11, 2019, 12:36 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    because if we were using secret coded " dog whistles "to communicate then it would be designed so minorities wouldn't understand it .The truth is that the left assigns the label "dog whistles" to words to shape the language to mean what they want it to mean. In other words you don't hear the phrase labelling anything that progressives say . But it is used constantly to smear the language and intent of conservatives .

    In the racists world Tom, they use dog whistles to communicate with each other and that's a very important distinction to make. That you can't hear it speaks well for you and other non minorities, but trust me minorities always must be cautious and aware of such language for their own protection. I ask you not to dismiss the notion of prejudiced, bigoted, so you can better understand what we are really talking about and it's not the white race being criticized, just the segment consumed by hate because of race. The core base the dufus intentionally appeals to with his dog whistles that only racial haters can hear.

    Quote:

    But maybe we should start assigning them ..How about the words "Inclusiveness" "Diversity" really are dog whistles for 'no whites allowed ? ' hmmmm now the shoe is on the other foot.

    I'll let my other statement stand for your consideration.
  • Aug 11, 2019, 01:01 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    I ask you not to dismiss the notion of prejudiced, bigoted
    , That I understand does exist .
  • Aug 11, 2019, 01:31 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    In the racists world Tom, they use dog whistles to communicate with each other and that's a very important distinction to make.
    How do you know that? I know a lot of white people. I can't think of one that knows some sinister, secret "dog whistle" language of racism.

    Now I have heard, "Pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon." Nothing secretive about that one. Truth is, there is hatred in all segments of society. No one has it as their exclusive domain.
  • Aug 11, 2019, 02:30 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    How do you know that? I know a lot of white people. I can't think of one that knows some sinister, secret "dog whistle" language of racism.

    I can understand if you don't know those types of people, but they do exist and there are more than you know. I know that as fact, and encountered and have had to deal with them all my life. Not all of them are skin heads or wear hoods either, but you can't tell by looking.

    I am glad my friend you don't know such haters, but you cannot tell them apart just by looking. Personally I have found they don't represent all white people but a small percentage. One or maybe two of ten.
  • Aug 11, 2019, 02:41 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    but they do exist and there are more than you know. I know that as fact, and encountered and have had to deal with them all my life.
    They are out there for sure. I've encountered them, and have also encountered anti-white racism from black people, so it is not limited to one group. In all forms it is unpleasant.
  • Aug 11, 2019, 05:31 PM
    talaniman
    racist

    [ˈrāsəst]




    ADJECTIVE


    • prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
      "we are investigating complaints about racist abuse"




    NOUN


    • a person who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
      "he has been targeted by vicious racists online"




  • Aug 11, 2019, 07:02 PM
    paraclete
    What a load of crap, the minorities are prejudiced against the majority in the same way majorities can be prejudiced, do you really think the minorities wouldn't wage the same wars if they could? get it through your head black people can be racist, and when you throw religion in the mix like Islam or Hinduism you get militant racism
  • Aug 12, 2019, 05:23 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    What a load of crap, the minorities are prejudiced against the majority in the same way majorities can be prejudiced, do you really think the minorities wouldn't wage the same wars if they could? get it through your head black people can be racist, and when you throw religion in the mix like Islam or Hinduism you get militant racism

    You can make the case for the majority and minority feeling the same about each other, fear, hatred mistrust, but would point out that any major religion would result in the same militant racism as well wouldn't it, we know that it has. Fact is Clete we humans have a history of the majority whatever it is, having and holding power over the minority, often cruelly and in oppressive ways. Illogical to think the minority would like it, but that has seldom been considered before, since nothing but abject assimilation and capitulation seems to be the goal of the majority.

    By definition the minority cannot be racist, only react to racism. They cannot make or effect or enforce any policy without the agreement of the majority. So being well aware of your bias's and prejudices over the years as well as your many flashes of rationality I'm sure you can grasp the simple concept of the majority reaping what it sows when it has suppressed and dominated the minority against it's will.

    What? You think the spoils go to the victor? For a while they do, but it comes with a price for keeping those spoils. The load of crap is in your illogical assumption that the majority and the minority are on equal footing. They are not. Not even close and of course the majority has the motivation to keep it that way. Their idea of survival based on weak perception and very human ego.

    Silly humans, you are all alike even though you invent a bunch of crap to prove you are NOT!
  • Aug 12, 2019, 06:29 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You can make the case for the majority and minority feeling the same about each other, fear, hatred mistrust, but would point out that any major religion would result in the same militant racism as well wouldn't it, we know that it has. Fact is Clete we humans have a history of the majority whatever it is, having and holding power over the minority, often cruelly and in oppressive ways. Illogical to think the minority would like it, but that has seldom been considered before, since nothing but abject assimilation and capitulation seems to be the goal of the majority.

    By definition the minority cannot be racist, only react to racism. They cannot make or effect or enforce any policy without the agreement of the majority. So being well aware of your bias's and prejudices over the years as well as your many flashes of rationality I'm sure you can grasp the simple concept of the majority reaping what it sows when it has suppressed and dominated the minority against it's will.

    What? You think the spoils go to the victor? For a while they do, but it comes with a price for keeping those spoils. The load of crap is in your illogical assumption that the majority and the minority are on equal footing. They are not. Not even close and of course the majority has the motivation to keep it that way. Their idea of survival based on weak perception and very human ego.

    Silly humans, you are all alike even though you invent a bunch of crap to prove you are NOT!

    Look long ago what happened when a war is won is the defeated became slaves or they were just wiped out, we are too nice now to even think that , but we have no problem enslaving people with poverty and low wages, so now we have minorities and a social conscience because it is politically expedient, wake up and smell the roses, it helps to keep the stink out
  • Aug 12, 2019, 07:05 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    By definition the minority cannot be racist, only react to racism. They cannot make or effect or enforce any policy without the agreement of the majority
    You are mixing definitions. There is a difference between racism by law, such as the Jim Crow laws, versus personal racism. There is very little racism mixed with law. What people encounter now is racism by individuals or groups of individuals. Whether it is skinheads or BLM, that kind of racism most definitely cuts across racial lines.

    Besides, you act as though minority groups such as blacks or Hispanics are standing alone. That is very much not true. Democrats count on the votes of millions of white liberals who see things about the same that black liberals see them. When you look at that, then your entire "majority/minority" argument falls to pieces.
  • Aug 12, 2019, 07:48 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post

    By definition the minority cannot be racist, only react to racism. They cannot make or effect or enforce any policy without the agreement of the majority. So being well aware of your bias's and prejudices over the years as well as your many flashes of rationality I'm sure you can grasp the simple concept of the majority reaping what it sows when it has suppressed and dominated the minority against it's will.

    What? You think the spoils go to the victor? For a while they do, but it comes with a price for keeping those spoils. The load of crap is in your illogical assumption that the majority and the minority are on equal footing. They are not. Not even close and of course the majority has the motivation to keep it that way. Their idea of survival based on weak perception and very human ego.


    Excellent points!!
  • Aug 12, 2019, 08:03 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You are mixing definitions. There is a difference between racism by law, such as the Jim Crow laws, versus personal racism. There is very little racism mixed with law. What people encounter now is racism by individuals or groups of individuals. Whether it is skinheads or BLM, that kind of racism most definitely cuts across racial lines.

    Besides, you act as though minority groups such as blacks or Hispanics are standing alone. That is very much not true. Democrats count on the votes of millions of white liberals who see things about the same that black liberals see them. When you look at that, then your entire "majority/minority" argument falls to pieces.


    The majority whatever is seldom in control, you think they are. The real minority that has the money has the control, and if you ever wake up to it that would change in a hurry. You're just to willing to buy into the distraction which is highlighting difference and making it the conflict while you get led by the nose to protect what you think is yours from the others.

    Who makes the law, and why? Who enforces the law? Why was there reconstruction and Jim Crow and why did there have to be a Civil Rights Act? Come on guy you can't make up history or the effects of it. When this country declared independence, and wrote the constitution it left many people out of such grand ideas, and to this day many minority groups are still fighting to be part of those big words and ideas centuries later. So please don't tell me what you have done while at the same time telling me how hard you worked to get yours.

    I've told you many times to look up stuff that explains why there is, and has always been racism, but you obviously did NOT, so it's no wonder you flail about with little or no understanding of it, or dismiss it as trivial or not important enough to address. You aren't alone, your fellow conservatives are just as clueless as you are, but the struggle continues. They too are distracted chasing whatever your elites shine in front of you.
  • Aug 12, 2019, 09:13 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    The majority whatever is seldom in control, you think they are. The real minority that has the money has the control, and if you ever wake up to it that would change in a hurry
    There might be some truth to that, but it does not support your contentions about racism.

    Quote:

    Who makes the law, and why? Who enforces the law? Why was there reconstruction and Jim Crow and why did there have to be a Civil Rights Act? Come on guy you can't make up history or the effects of it. When this country declared independence, and wrote the constitution it left many people out of such grand ideas, and to this day many minority groups are still fighting to be part of those big words and ideas centuries later. So please don't tell me what you have done while at the same time telling me how hard you worked to get yours.
    And again, there is some truth to what you are saying, but what was true 100 years ago does not support your contention of racism now. If any group of people really want to make progress in a hurry, they can find leaders who will call for a love of the two parent family, an embracing of lawful behavior, and an insistence on a high quality education system.

    Quote:

    I've told you many times to look up stuff that explains why there is, and has always been racism, but you obviously did NOT, so it's no wonder you flail about with little or no understanding of it, or dismiss it as trivial or not important enough to address.
    You are the one contending that racism is rampant. You should find the material to back up your claim and stop whining about what I will or won't do.

    Quote:

    You aren't alone, your fellow conservatives are just as clueless as you are, but the struggle continues. They too are distracted chasing whatever your elites shine in front of you.
    A completely meaningless statement. They only elite I am following after is Christ.
  • Aug 12, 2019, 10:25 AM
    talaniman
    All due respect but bad enough you claim there is no racism, when the simple thing to do is Google institutional racism or gentrification, and follow the links at your own leisure, but to hide behind your religion is a lousy excuse.

    It's quite extensive and a lesson into reality and history. Like studying the bible.

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