This is only the latest in a long series.

Yesterday, Trump could no longer place any trust in his National Security Advisor, so he fired him - Michael Flynn. This is Flynn's second dismissal by a sitting president.

Today, Trump said Flynn is a "wonderful man" and blamed his dismissal by being treated unfairly, by the criminal leaking of documents, by the "fake" media, and (unbelievably !!) by the Democrats of Hillary Clinton.

After Trump's comments, Flynn's security clearance was pulled by the Defense Intelligence Agency. There's a little matter of possible collusion with Russia that he needs to clear up.

One wonders what Trump's reasons will be tomorrow for firing Flynn.

The people with the REAL mental Confusion, are those lefties suffering from TARD - Trump Acceptance Reluctance Disorder.

Since they went out of their way to apologize or justify every single action the brown bozo made the last 8 years, nothing they rant about can be taken serious.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

The people with the REAL mental Confusion, are those lefties suffering from TARD - Trump Acceptance Reluctance Disorder.

Since they went out of their way to apologize or justify every single action the brown bozo made the last 8 years, nothing they rant about can be taken serious.

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You really don't see problems?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You really don't see problems?

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You are too decent and your time is too precious to waste it on smoothy - he's beyond redemption. His reference to "brown bozo" unwittingly reveals the dark pit where smoothy dwells and from where he emerges from time to time.

He is best ignored.

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Originally Posted by Athos

This is only the latest in a long series.

Yesterday, Trump could no longer place any trust in his National Security Advisor, so he fired him - Michael Flynn. This is Flynn's second dismissal by a sitting president.

Today, Trump said Flynn is a "wonderful man" and blamed his dismissal by being treated unfairly, by the criminal leaking of documents, by the "fake" media, and (unbelievably !!) by the Democrats of Hillary Clinton.

After Trump's comments, Flynn's security clearance was pulled by the Defense Intelligence Agency. There's a little matter of possible collusion with Russia that he needs to clear up.

One wonders what Trump's reasons will be tomorrow for firing Flynn.

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So let me get this straight; is Dump saying he Dumped Flynn unfairly? Or is he saying Pence dumped Flynn unfairly? I just want to be clear on who is being unfair

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Originally Posted by paraclete

So let me get this straight; is Dump saying he Dumped Flynn unfairly? Or is he saying Pence dumped Flynn unfairly? I just want to be clear on who is being unfair

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Trump fired Flynn because he was no longer trustworthy because Flynn lied to Pence about his (Flynn's) dealings with Russia during Trump's election campaign AND after the election.

The very next day Trump blamed the media for Flynn's firing because they (the "fake" media) treated Flynn "unfairly". In this second explanation, there was no mention of Trump saying Flynn was "untrustworthy" as he did the previous day. Also, Trump now blamed the criminal "leakage" of documents (the intercepted proofs of Flynn's transgressions contacting the Russians), and, as a kind of throwaway line, he added the Democrats were to blame since Hillary lost the election.

Confusing? Trying to pin down Trump's behavior is difficult for two reasons: he is so mentally muddled that whatever he says often changes from day to day AND, he is a congenital pathological liar. This last characteristic can be traced back to long before he decided to run for president.

Confusing? Yes, I remain confused

A little off topic, and hoping this video posts because I've been having issues with posting things lately, but I'm curious how Trumpy supporters will spin this pack of lies.

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/10156091689726509/

He claims loyalty as one of his strengths ,but the 1st hint of scandal he threw Flynn,a great man ,under the bus. Someone please tell me what Flynn did that was illegal or unethical ? The answer is nothing .

What Trump should've done instead was to immediately order an investigation into who in the emperor's administration made the FISA court request to surveille their political opponents during an election campaign . If there was no FISA request then he should order his Justice Dept ,Intelligence agencies to identify and charge the leaker .

This whole thing could have been avoided with Flynn if Trump had kept Pence in the loop about the facts of the matter. He obviously didn't know, or understand the facts, nor told Pence a darn thing, so what else has he dropped the ball on?

Trumps press conference was a red meat feast for his base but a disgrace for the rest of the country.

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so what else has he dropped the ball on?

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Who knows ? Bubba was an experienced politician and still his White House was a zoo until he hired David Gergen a year into his term .

NY Slimes Jan 12 ,2017

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In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more-latitude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html?_r=0

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Originally Posted by Athos

You are too decent and your time is too precious to waste it on smoothy - he's beyond redemption. His reference to "brown bozo" unwittingly reveals the dark pit where smoothy dwells and from where he emerges from time to time.

He is best ignored.

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Really now... you left wing TARDS have the gaul to rant like a bunch of lunatics casting aspersions on a man who unlike his predecessor is actually doing stuff to HELP the productive portion of Amercians... and you get your panties in a knot about the very appropriate brown Bozo quote which is far nicer than almost everything you losers have said about Trump. Sorry, its YOU who are beyond redemption and best ignored. But then Athos... YOU aren't even a US Citizen.. and you never had to suffer from the brown bozos constant follies. Or the Hildebeast who thought she was ENTITLED to be president and would stoop to any crime needed to get there... and the other losers who supported her criminal actions...

Well, YOU have Trudeau (bwaaahahaha). And among the multitude of problems Canada has they can't seem to fix... I'm make a comment get your own house in order before you start harping on others.

You really aren't half as intelligent as you fancy yourself since you hug socialism and communism... People that think those are great are people who are below average in their abilities to function in life... and feel entitled to a big part of those who are better than they are.

Face it... and beware of the glare of a northward facing moon.



But it all really boils down to left wing jealousy. You all just can't stand when someone is actually a great success in their own right because none have managed to be. Thats a personal problem...not a Trump problem.

Liberals are such losers... waaa waa waaa... http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/wp-con...aby-Crying.jpg

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Originally Posted by tomder55

He claims loyalty as one of his strengths ,but the 1st hint of scandal he threw Flynn,a great man ,under the bus. Someone please tell me what Flynn did that was illegal or unethical ? The answer is nothing .

What Trump should've done instead was to immediately order an investigation into who in the emperor's administration made the FISA court request to surveille their political opponents during an election campaign . If there was no FISA request then he should order his Justice Dept ,Intelligence agencies to identify and charge the leaker .

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The way I understand it, Intelligence services were doing routine surveillance of foreign agents. They were NOT surveilling Flynn. But he was caught in that. Also as I understand it was illegal for him to discuss lifting or easing of the sanctions before Trump took office. But his greatest offense was not telling Pence about it.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

casting aspersions on a man who ... is actually doing stuff to HELP the productive portion of Amercians...
You all just can't stand when someone is actually a great success in their own right because none have managed to be.

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You mean a great success n his own MIND!

But I'll bite, enlighten us as to some of the things he has done to "help the productive portion of Americans".

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

The way I understand it, Intelligence services were doing routine surveillance of foreign agents. They were NOT surveilling Flynn. But he was caught in that. Also as I understand it was illegal for him to discuss lifting or easing of the sanctions before Trump took office. But his greatest offense was not telling Pence about it.



You mean a great success n his own MIND!

But I'll bite, enlighten us as to some of the things he has done to "help the productive portion of Americans".

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Getting rid of Obama's Imperial edicts for starters... The fact unlike the brown bozo.. Trump knows how to run a business... and the stock market shows that... in liberal speak... "Historical and unprecedented". Not only past 20K for the first time.. but has been hovering 20600 range.

PRODUCTIVE members of this country ACTUALLY pay Federal income tax... they actually have 401k's and IRA's, they actually have personal investments for their own retirement...

They don't leach off the 52% that actually pay nearly 100% of the costs of everything... collect welfare or food stamps.

And for the first time in over 8 years... progress is being made in the right direction for those who DO actually work and pay taxes... meaning not those who get it all back and then some.

But then, some misguided people think everything was so perfect under their false demigod the last 8 years they refuse to acknowledge much of anything. Or are just incapable of doing so.

What exactly did Obama actually do to help the people who do actually pay taxes (and not pretend they do)?

The only people Obama helped were illegals and the welfare class...the average working person saw their household income go DOWN during Obama's reign.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

The only people Obama helped were illegals and the welfare class...the average working person saw their household income go DOWN during Obama's reign.

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Do you think this is a local phenomenon? Real wages have been eroded all over, the lists of those on welfare increase and are bolstered by migrants and refugees, but who do we have to thank for this? Don't think this is the result of the policies of only one bozo, the brown bozo was only the last in a long list of white bozos, and now we have to endure the yellow peril

Smoothy. Sorry that doesn't answer me. That is just more of your ranting. I want specifics with facts. What edict(s) specifically?

As for the Stock Market, I admit that's a big plus for Trump. But there are a lot of market forces involved in the Stock Market and I don't think Trump can take full claim for it. When Obama took office the Dow was at 7949. When he left it was at 19732. So tell me again how the stock market shows it.

As for the people who actually work and pay taxes, do you mean like Trump? Who is hiding his returns probably, because he hasn't paid taxes. Oh and this person who "knows how to run a business" has had several business failures and bankruptcies.

And where do you get your figures about the alleged leaching. You don't really expect us to take your figures as fact when your veracity hasn't been that great in the past.

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1. The way I understand it, Intelligence services were doing routine surveillance of foreign agents. They were NOT surveilling Flynn. But he was caught in that. Also as I understand it was illegal for him to discuss lifting or easing of the sanctions before Trump took office. But his greatest offense was not telling Pence about it.

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There are specific protocols when an American conversation becomes part of a "routine surveillance of foreign agents" . Specifically they have to take all measures necessary to mute out the American's part of the conversation unless there is a FISA court order to listen in to that part of the conversation.
It is yet to be determined if that court order was granted .


The EO the Slimes article speaks of was given in the last days of the emperor's reign . It fundamentally changed the number of agencies that NSA intercepts are disseminated to .He changed a law that had been in effect since Reagan's years . That makes it that much harder to find out who illegally leaked the information to the press . It is easy to speculate that the reason for this was to assist the deep government in undermining the new administration .

Trump was made aware of the details of the conversation that Flynn had with the Russian ambassador in January ,long before Flynn's conversation with VP Pence. If Pence's ego was bruised then frankly that is too bad . Flynn could very well be the victim of infighting inside the administration . But ;Trump made the call to dump Flynn. As Truman famously said ;the buck stops at the President's desk. It was a weak move ;and all it did was put blood in water for the circling Democrat sharks .

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

Smoothy. Sorry that doesn't answer me. That is just more of your ranting. I want specifics with facts. What edict(s) specifically?

As for the Stock Market, I admit that's a big plus for Trump. But there are a lot of market forces involved in the Stock Market and I don't think Trump can take full claim for it. When Obama took office the Dow was at 7949. When he left it was at 19732. So tell me again how the stock market shows it.

As for the people who actually work and pay taxes, do you mean like Trump? Who is hiding his returns probably, because he hasn't paid taxes. Oh and this person who "knows how to run a business" has had several business failures and bankruptcies.

And where do you get your figures about the alleged leaching. You don't really expect us to take your figures as fact when your veracity hasn't been that great in the past.

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Facts are facts.. they've been posted on THIS site dozens of times in the past in numerous threads... and quite honestly, I'm no twasting my time looking for them because some people think the brown one is some demigod who made everything perfect and fantastic and refuse to face reality, or the fact the labor participation rates, and the average WORKING persons household income have been in a decline the last 8 years. I find it absolutely comical how gullible some people are to everything they see on TV, read in the paper or hear on the radio, even when those same sources have been proven over and over again to distort facts to outright lie about everything. And how these same people who not a single one is independently wealthy from their own success running numerous businesses and yet feel qualified to disparage someone who has since before he even got elected... Oh yeah.. and supported a world class loser even after she was caught in the middle of rigging primary she didn't even legitimately win... and even went so far as justifying EVERY SINGE scandal and crime she was caught in, year after year. And act like deranged children when they lost like tossing a tantrum is going to change anything... and also.. when such a high percentage of the tantrum throwers managed somehow to graduate high school wihtout the basic knowledge of how the electoral system actually works, and has since 1804. Those are the people we are supposed to believe? Really now.

Anyone here made several millions clear cash in their own business yet (not personal investments or assets over 40+ years? How about Billions? Then what makes them experts in anything to claim they know more than someone who actually has? Hell, how many here even have a net worth over a Million? I bet most can't even say that as low as that bar is.

Smoothy, I'm sick and tired of your racist rhetoric. And I'm not going to put up with it anymore. I don't believe Obama was a demigod or that his administration was perfect. I am perfectly willing to face reality if there are facts that show things. If you can't produce those facts then I can't accept that reality.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Hell, how many here even have a net worth over a Million? I bet most can't even say that as low as that bar is.

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Hello smoothy:

My worth is NYOB, but suffice to say, if I started with a $ million loan from my father like Trump did, I'd be worth a 100 times what he is today. You know I'm in business, right? Trump even had a head start.. I handicapped myself with a criminal record.

excon

Hi smoothy, I haven't replied more to your message because the editor doesn't recognise the space bar, but there is no use in making any of this personal. I don't get your comment about a northward facing moon, all moons where I come from are northward facing and we all come out and bay at them once a month, Ahroow!

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello smoothy:

My worth is NYOB, but suffice to say, if I started with a $ million loan from my father like Trump did, I'd be worth a 100 times what he is today. You know I'm in business, right? Trump even had a head start.. I handicapped myself with a criminal record.

excon

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I didn't ask you for your net worth... read what I said. But someone who is barely able to live paycheck to paycheck... and hasn't made themselves a BUNCH of money in their adult lives... really is in no position to cast aspirations on others, particularly others who have. If you have... good for you... then you aren't one of them.

Nothing like coulda woulda shoulda....fact is you didn't and why I picked a number thats not that hard to reach...than many people have.

As far as your record..as far as I know it was a one time thing and you did your time.....I have issues with those who keep getting busted over and over and over.

Cast aspersions or aspirations? Big difference....

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I didn't ask you for your net worth... read what I said. But someone who is barely able to live paycheck to paycheck... and hasn't made themselves a BUNCH of money in their adult lives... really is in no position to cast aspirations on others, particularly others who have. If you have... good for you... then you aren't one of them.

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What about an ordinary everyday blue collar worker like myself? Is it okay to blast a lying bloviated ego maniac like your hero Trump? No need to respond since I will anyway!

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Hi smoothy, I haven't replied more to your message because the editor doesn't recognise the space bar, but there is no use in making any of this personal. I don't get your comment about a northward facing moon, all moons where I come from are northward facing and we all come out and bay at them once a month, Ahroow!

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Well if your going to mention about making it personal... you're late to the game... someone else already did that... and it wasn't me.


BTW... northward facing moon.. wasn't directed at you... don't think it was an American thing... but giving the moon is dropping trou, and bending over... similar to the one finger salute, or "shooting the Bird" in meaning. Northward facing implied the direction it was given.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

What about an ordinary everyday blue collar worker like myself? Is it okay to blast a lying bloviated ego maniac like your hero Trump? No need to respond since I will anyway!

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I know a lot of "blue Collar workers" with net worths well into the 7 figures range. But then you have a choice... live abouve your means now... or live below your means for years and invest it... You think I'm self employed or some corporate executive... man you really don't know me then. SO who is really the out of touch ones here... better grab a mirror because I haven't ever been a paper pushing manager...

But then....like I've said..Trump won..get over it.

If you was a Saunders person..Trump didn't steal your primary....Hillary and her minions did that..... Saunders ( not my guy however) might have won...that's the Fault of the DNC.

If you were a Hillary person..then your standards are REALLY low and have no moral high ground to harp about anything Trump might do. Lots of Saunders people Voted Trump because they couldn't stomach Hillary either.

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But then....like I've said..Trump won..get over it.

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Why can't I cry, b1tch and moan like you did for the last 8 years? Matter of fact you're still crying b1tching and moaning about last years stuff.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Why can't I cry, b1tch and moan like you did for the last 8 years? Matter of fact you're still crying b1tching and moaning about last years stuff.

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Don't you have anything better to do, how about some constructive criticism.

You and Smoothy should stop your hate filled rants and present FACTS! How's that?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You and Smoothy should stop your hate filled rants and present FACTS! How's that?

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A rhetorical answer to a rhetorical question

Back to the theme, it would seem that Dump would be very confused about the McCain/Republican agenda. What part of being in power do they not understand? Where I come from we would call McCain's action Shytting in your own nest

Where I come from we call it truth to power, and it's a bedrock of the republic. You know that free speech thing?!

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Where I come from we call it truth to power, and it's a bedrock of the republic. You know that free speech thing?!

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I wasn't commenting on free speech, just stupidity, or in McCain's case dementia

I don't see McCains comments as stupid or demented. He often has broken from his party line on many issues.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You and Smoothy should stop your hate filled rants and present FACTS! How's that?

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How about the lefties present credible facts and stop the incessant ranting.

Look at the topic of this thread... ZERO proof what so ever... And could even legally be considered libelous if a lawsuit was ever brought by the accused party.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

How about the lefties present credible facts and stop the incessant ranting.

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Did you watch the press conference where he claimed he had the biggest electoral margin? He was clearly stunned and confused when his statement was debunked. So much for your "ZERO proof".

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

Did you watch the press conference where he claimed he had the biggest electoral margin? He was clearly stunned and confused when his statement was debunked. So much for your "ZERO proof".

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You get that from CNN? And his electoral margin was significant... it wasn't even close.

Directly from Reuters... a very left leaning source..

The Republican businessman, whose presidential campaign was his first bid for public office, garnered 304 electoral votes, compared with 227 won by his Democratic challenger, Hillary Clinton, according to the vote tally read by Vice President Joe Biden.

U.S. Congress certifies Trump's Electoral College victory | Reuters

That's NO small margin in anyone's book... care to disprove that and claim it was a close call? So Debunked? Far from it.

No I got that from watching the live press conference. And you are missing the point. Trump made the statement that he had the largest margin since Reagan. A reporter confronted him with the fact that there were greater margins. This got him nonplussed and confused. It was very clear to anyone watching. I'm not arguing about how many electoral votes he got or how significant it was. I'm talking only about how he reacted when he was caught in an untruth.