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I have seen all over Facebook about bringing the two US citizens back to US to treat who contracted Ebola. Is it as safe as they are claiming? I have been reading up on it and have seen news sources and posts claiming both sides.
I do get it for the family of the people who are ill they want the best treatment for their family members, I would too if it was my family.
What are people's thoughts on this?
The patients will be in isolation, and their families will be able to talk/visit them only through a window. My husband and I wondered about the medical people who will be caring for the patients -- plus housekeping and laundry. I would hope every caution is taken. J_9 might be able to give us good feedback on the possibilities.
Then there's the tinfoil hat crowd who think the two have discovered how to weaponize Ebola and are bringing it back.
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But to be honest Cats we really don't know 100% who is telling the truth and who is lying. That is what I struggle with at times as all news is slanted and can only report what they are told. I am sure government (and I believe this ) that governments hide lots from us. They are doing things behind closed doors we don't know about and probably never will.
Yes there are some people out there that go overboard with conspiracy theories but then others I think that could be possible.
I bet they can treat them a lot better here than where they were. I hope they survive. They went to help, now they need help.
It is very dangerous to bring them back at a time when the borders are being closed to avoid the spread of the disease
I can only give feedback as to the precautions taken. The patients will be placed in a special isolation unit that, from my reading, was developed 12 years ago and is rarely used. It is down the street from Emory University Hospital. These patients will not come into contact with any other patients or visitors. This unit also has special "air handling."
Nurses and doctors will wear protective gear. Masks, gowns, gloves. There are very strict protocols in place for the staff who will have to enter the rooms and visitors will not be allowed to enter rooms but will be able talk to the patients through a window.
Do I agree with them coming here? I don't know. Would I be willing to be part of their medical team? Heck yeah! It's ground breaking, and to be able to be part of something so big would be a boost to the CV.
Incidentally, I do have a friend who works at Emory. She is in administration, and won't be part of their medical team.
What about soiled laundry, human waste, etc.
Most likely, and I'm not certain as I don't work in environmental services, it will be destroyed/incinerated. But that I am uncertain of.
We have biohazard bags that are red bags placed in red trash containers. What they do with them once they are removed from the room I don't know.
Now, you can't get Ebola like you get the common cold, i.e. touching a shopping cart after an infected person did. It is transmitted via bodily fluids, much like HIV and Hepatitis.
I suspect the reason it is so rampant in Africa is because they don't take the same precautions there that we take here.
In addition...
Transmission | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC
Good luck with that, but I don't think the risk of having it on your CV is worth it. It you want a broader discussion beyound your local hospital see my thread Alocaplypse nowQuote:
I can only give feedback as to the precautions taken. The patients will be placed in a special isolation unit that, from my reading, was developed 12 years ago and is rarely used. It is down the street from Emory University Hospital. These patients will not come into contact with any other patients or visitors. This unit also has special "air handling."
Nurses and doctors will wear protective gear. Masks, gowns, gloves. There are very strict protocols in place for the staff who will have to enter the rooms and visitors will not be allowed to enter rooms but will be able talk to the patients through a window.
Do I agree with them coming here? I don't know. Would I be willing to be part of their medical team? Heck yeah! It's ground breaking, and to be able to be part of something so big would be a boost to the CV.
Incidentally, I do have a friend who works at Emory. She is in administration, and won't be part of their medical team.
The experience on the CV would be tremendous in the area of infectious disease. Anyone with that on their CV would be able to pick their employer as well as their salary. I suppose, with my understanding, that Ebola isn't as frightening to me ad it is the average person.
I think it is safe,and their treatment ,whatever the results ,will advance the knowledge of treating the disease. I know of one of our service men who is deployed to the region where the ebola outbreak has occurred. I joked with him and told him do not eat bush meat.
Our CDC is one of the best in the world (with caveat since they still don't get lyme).
Your CDC hasn't been up to speed in some areas recently Tom that's why it is a concern as to whether they can handle this properly
It's news right now, most people don't know about it, it's a mysterious disease from far away, so some news agencies will run with it... ie. CNN's "It could be catastrophic".
Remember necrotizing fasciitis, SARS, avian flu, and mad cow all had their time in the news. Now you don't hear about any of them.
Doulal that is because they are no longer killing people, we weren't hearing about ebola either before this outbreak but anything can make a comeback as staph keeks reminding us
Do you really think those infected whilst caring for the sick in Africa didn't take all possibe precautions? And yet medical staff were infected. Yes you will have a higher state of hygene possible but the risks are there because people become complacient and careless. Disposal of medical waste should have a very high standard applied to it and yet if it is destroyed offsite there are risks. The fact is a quarantine on travel should have been respected and not brushed aside because of the nationality of the person
This was mentioned in your thread on this subject, Clete, but when HIV blew up the only change in your quote was "sexual preference" instead of "nationality." How many millions of deaths did the gay mafia cause? We'll never know.Quote:
The fact is a quarantine on travel should have been respected and not brushed aside because of the nationality of the person
"For the children" seems to be the buzzword in the U.S. right now. It makes you wonder how soon some media whore will be crying that those poor infected children (they'll find some somewhere) NEED close personal contact to make their last few hours bearable. Thus the pandemic spreads to another continent.
People do still die from them. The difference is that people are more aware, precautions are often taken, treatment is rendered (in many cases), and the numbers are fewer. The media, while doing the job of making people aware, also caused more concern than was necessary by causing fear of a pandemic situation.
Cats, What, are you trying to put words in my mouth, Yes the spread of HIV does have a lot to do with sexual preference and also with drug use preference but that genie was out of the bottle before we understood the risks but ebola is still capable of being contained and should be.
As far as children are concerned we should care for them as we care for others and if their parents want to give that close personal contact and take the risk then they will need to be isolated, but we should keep the emotion out of this. SARS isn't a problem today because severe measures were taken to contain it, we should learn from that and treat this outbreak in the same way. Perhaps an embargo on hunting wild animals for food needs to be imposed in Africa and perhaps a cull of fruit bats should be contemplated in certain places, there seems to be a number of diseases harboured by the bat population
Yes, they took all possible precautions, however, since their supplies are low, gloves, gowns and masks are reused when they are even available. They don't have isolation units available. Medications and supplies are in very short supply.Quote:
Do you really think those infected whilst caring for the sick in Africa didn't take all possibe precautions? And yet medical staff were infected.
While I do believe there are risks involved, I also believe it's being totally blown out of proportion.
I'm glad I don't live in Atlanta or I'd be raising holy hell about them dragging them back here to treat. I'd personally make sure EVERYONE that made that decision had to be exposed with all the other professionals. Sorry, but there are several doctors who died KNOWING what they were dealing with wearing biosuits... and I don't think bringing something so dangerous closer to home where if anything goes wrong it can get significantly worse in a hurry.
Sure its bad enough they have it in that region... lets share the misery and spread it around to a lot more places. Maybe London, Paris, Bejing, Moscow Buenos Aries, and a few other places and be fair about it.
smoothy you know the bleeding hearts don't see the big picture
I completely agree clete...
Well, I'm not a bleeding heart. We have basically eradicated smallpox, polio, etc. It has to start somewhere.
I can't say that I am entirely comfortable with them coming here, but what a breakthrough this could be.
... or a disaster.
I've learned the worst that can happen is far more likely to happen than the most optimistic is.
Besides... thats the basic premise behind CYA... prepare for the worst... but hope for the best... rather than damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead, we deal with it after the boat sinks.
Particularly with what little they do know about this and the very, very high mortality rate. Study it where its endemic... rather than take the risks it can spread farther.
Didn't the NIH (National Institute of Health) just find 50+ year old live smallpox cultures and other dieseases forgotten in a closet recently?
And that IS in my back yard.
FDA found more than smallpox vials in storage room - The Washington Post
"Federal officials found more than just long-forgotten smallpox samples recently in a storage room on the National Institutes for Health campus in Bethesda, Md. The discovery included 12 boxes and 327 vials holding an array of pathogens, including the virus behind the tropical disease dengue and the bacteria that can cause spotted fever...."
I understand prepare for the worst and hope for the best more than the average person. I practice it every night when I hit the time clock.
I think this situation is more hype. Yes, it is dangerous and deadly, but we are not a third world country. There was the avian flu, mad cow, SARS, etc. They are no longer a fear.
Right. Neither is AIDS. Going to update my pandemic kit now.Quote:
There was the avian flu, mad cow, SARS, etc. They are no longer a fear.
Not with the right precautions. I've delivered babies to many of women who have HIV/AIDS, I've come into contact with their bodily fluids. I took the proper precautions and I'm still healthy as a horse.Quote:
Neither is AIDS
This is the same old debate whether it is pandemics, drugs or anything else, it becomes a emotive issue that we have the answers and we will overcome because we are smart, but we are not that smart. The drug companies aren't working on a cure because there is no money in it, but of course if it gets loose in the US population they will change their attitude and produce millions of doses of a vaccine and make billions even if it is well say 50% effective,
I do agree with J, I am a front line worker for the Canadian Red Cross, god, I have been exposed to all sorts of deadly viruses and we are warned and trained; we use standard and universal precautions for each one as it comes to us. I am still here, and cross fingers, healthy and still working and listening to what others have to say.
I am exposed every day and I know what I am getting into. But I do think we need to stop talking about something we know nothing about for now.
The Canadian press is not raising flags because there are non to raise right now
I view it this way... the same people in the government who were telling us there is nothing to fear are the same people that were swearing Obamacare would save everyone at least $2,500 a year over what they were paying and they could keep their old doctors.
That was a lie too despite whatever colorful euphamisms they use to avoid that three letter word.
Tick, they just don't understand that they can't get Ebola just from standing in a room with someone who has it.
And I've heard two epidemiologists on the radio say it's a lot easier then we are being told. And since its a virus thats always mutating... the possibility of it becoming airborne always exists in the future. One of them even stated its possible for someone that survived it to infect someone else two months later.
There isn't a lot of consensus on this which also speaks volumes.
Why does no consensus speak volumes smoothy. It just means they don't know all the facts yet. There is no subterfuge.
So they're going to bring 2 carriers that contracted the disease despite knowing what precautions to take and dropping them into an isolation ward in one of the biggest cities in the country. Don't get me wrong, Emory Hospital may possibly be the best in the world for studying infectious disease, but they don't know the vectors.Quote:
It just means they don't know all the facts yet.
It may already be too late.
Mount Sinai patient who traveled to West Africa tested for Ebola virus | 7online.com
Tickle... no consensus means they really don't know half of what they are trying to make us believe they do. And on something this deadly... thats dangerous. Because they are downplaying the severity of something they really know little about.
If nothing comes of this in a year or two...then I'll relax...I don't trust anyone from the government trying to tell us anything these days because they have lied about essentially everything for years now....why should I pick this one thing to believe they are being honest about?
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