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In the past few weeks, there have been outbreaks of measles and other preventable diseases in parts of the U.S. and Canada near Vancouver. They have all been linked to these anti-vaccination idiots like Jenny McCarthy. I think it is time to make vaccinations mandatory before there is a pandemic. I think that public health and safety would outweigh personal and religious freedom if there was a court challenge. What are everyone's thoughts about this?
I'm all for it... certain groups hide under the umbrealla by claiming one thing or anothers is for "the common good" when it doesn't apply. This actually does.
There may be an argument that "anti-vaccine idiots " are responsible for the outbreak. But you cannot deny the illegal immigrant connection. Among the 159 cases of measles from January 1–August 24, 2013,no case began in the United States.
Measles — United States, January 1–August 24, 2013
Diseases like tuberculosis, polio are also making their way into the country through the open border. Malaria was eradicated and is making a comeback . Dengue fever was unheard of .... Not anymore. Hansen’s disease(leprosy) has increased 10x since 1940 .
I favor mandatory vaccination . Where is the Ellis Island on the southern borders to screen potential entrants ?
Many were of domestic origin. Only 42 were importations -- "A total of 159 cases of measles were reported during this period. Most cases were in persons who were unvaccinated (131 [82%]) or had unknown vaccination status (15 [9%]). Forty-two importations were reported, and 21(50% [of those]) were importations from the World Health Organization (WHO) European Region."Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Living in a small town has drawbacks such as lousy service and product choice at stores, dumb, inbred people, lack of culture and awful weather where I live, but one major advantage is that there are fewer cases of drug-resistant bacteria in hospitals and other diseases so I'm glad to be in a small town most of the time.
Nice cherry picking ... From the sentence right before the one you quote :Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Among the 159 cases, 157 (99%) were import-associated, and two had an unknown source
That sentence comes LATER in the article and refutes the earlier data.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
So where do you live, earl, somewhere in Canada? Your description of your community, and I hate to say to say this because it isn't who I am, is it Inuit ? After you answer, I will chime in.
I'm not Inuit, I live in Eastern Canada, that's as specific as I'll get for privacy reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by tickle
That's OK I didn't need you to say the town!
Mandatory vaccinations in Canada are illegal. It isn't in our constitution.
I don't think earl, our constitution can be changed anymore then 'south of the border' can change there's.
As for Jenny McCarthy, after all the flack she received for mouthing off about something she had no understanding about, has dug herself a hole to hide in with her un-vaccinated kids, susceptible to any airborne or communicable disease the US has to offer.
Our native Canadians get as much help god knows that they can handle.
parents are still the front line to vaccinations for their children in Canada, and still cannot be enrolled in school without proof this has been done within the first four years of life.
Texas measles outbreak linked to church
That's my case for getting vaccinated,Quote:
The outbreak was started by a visitor to the church who had recently traveled to a country where measles remains common, according to Tarrant County Public Health spokesman Al Roy.
I say no to forcing vaccinations, and yes to not allowing kids into public schools without them. Since education is mandatory, the options become private school (where they can set their own rules) or home school.
I believe in options whenever possible. We don't send people around to test homes with children for cigarette smoke, or any number of 'policing' actions.
speaking from far away I don't understand the problem with vaccinations we had eliminated many diseases in the general population, tuberculosis, measles, polio, putussis to name a few until we started to have an intake from countries where these things are still endemic and now we are getting general alerts for them because these people don't vaccinate and carry the disease. Vaccination is a public health initiative which proved very effective and the good work has been undone by idiots
Before we dismiss the people who oppose it ,it should be revealed that 5,100 vaccine-related deaths were reported in the U.S between 1990 and August 2012. 60 percent of the deaths occurred in children under the age of three. 360 of the reported vaccine-associated deaths in the US have been related to any of the measles-containing vaccines (usually given in combination with other vaccines.). Less than 10 percent of vaccine side effects are ever reported, so the true side effects and deaths are easily higher than the reported statistics represent....possibly by a factor of 10.
Dr. Larry Palevskyis a board-certified pediatrician trained at the New York School of Medicine, and one of the leading physicians in the country . Here is what he says on the issue :
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I think that if you ask most of my colleagues where they get their information, they will say that they read it from the American Academy of Pediatrics, from the AMA, from the CDC, and in their journals. But I would like to challenge most of my colleagues to look through the studies themselves to actually see if the proper scientific studies were done using a proper study group and a proper control group.
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- Were the ingredients in vaccines properly studied?
- Is there a difference between being exposed to a virus, bacteria, heavy metal or toxin through the air, food, your intestines and your skin, versus when it's injected into your body?
- Have we really looked at what happens to vaccine materials once injected into a child? And is an antibody sufficient to provide protection for a child against disease?
More and more studies are coming out to show that:
- The proper studies haven't been done and antibodies are not the final way in which your body is protected
- There is a difference between how children process material through air and food versus through injection
- There are particles in vaccines that do accumulate in your body and cause impairments in your immune system
- There are particles in the vaccines that get into your brain and there are foreign DNA particles that get into your body
Expert Pediatrician Discusses Vaccines (Part 1/11) - YouTubeQuote:
Over the years, I kept practicing medicine and using vaccines and thinking that my approach to vaccines was completely onboard with everything else I was taught.
But more and more, I kept seeing that my experience of the world, my experience in using and reading about vaccines, and hearing what parents were saying about vaccines were very different from what I was taught in medical school and my residency training.
… and it became clearer to me as I read the research, listened to more and more parents, and found other practitioners who also shared the same concern that vaccines had not been completely proven safe or even completely effective, based on the literature that we have today.
… It didn’t appear that the scientific studies that we were given were actually appropriately designed to prove and test the safety and efficacy.
It also came to my attention that there were ingredients in there that were not properly tested, that the comparison groups were not appropriately set up, and that conclusions made about vaccine safety and efficacy just did not fit the scientific standards that I was trained to uphold in my medical school training.”
5,100 deaths in 22 years is minuscule. That is like saying you shouldn't go outside because you might get hit by lightning. Jonas Salk would be screaming in frustration if he were alive.
so take the commerce out of producing vaccines, that is where the problem lies
If EVERYONE was forced to be vaccinated... many diseases might be ended...How about holding the unvaccinated civily and criminially liable if they contract and spread a disease a vaccine esists for. Their choice ...but then they assume ALL the risk.
You can't FORCE someone to be vaccinated. There is a form called an AMA form (Against Medical Advice). They can simply sign that to opt out of the vaccination. To force someone to do something against their/their parents will is called assault.
Erythromycin ointment in the eyes of a baby during the first hour after birth is a law in many locations, yet many parents have refused that simply by signing the AMA form.
so is 158 cases reported .Quote:
Originally Posted by earl237
I support the right to refuse treatment if only their own health is at risk, but not when it becomes a risk for public safety. There are cases when the greater good outweighs individual freedoms. For example smoking is no longer allowed in public areas and workplaces when it was a generation ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
I was a child before there were vaccines, even before the polio vaccine was developed and put into popular use. I spent many weeks in bed and missing school because I got measles multiple times, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox. Thankfully, I never got whooping cough. No one knew yet what caused polio. Public pools were closed during the summers in hopes of avoiding contagion. People even suspected stray dogs (of which there were many) of being polio carriers. I was scared and didn't want to spend the rest my life in an iron lung (please Google Images for that). Thankfully, I was spared that too.
Years later when I had children during the '70s, I made sure they were inoculated against those diseases I had endured and those I had escaped.
Yes, Earl, smoking is prohibited, but you aren't forcing people to take a medication that they aren't willing to take.Quote:
Originally Posted by earl237
In the medical community, and I am a registered nurse, to force a person to take medication/vaccines against their will constitutes assault.
Clearly that is correct... I personally was just musing a "what if" type situation. I'm guessing some others were doing the same. Being this is the Current events forum....where the discussions aren't bound by the constraints of reality or the law most of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
People seem to be getting dumber every generation. I grew up during the 80s and I don't remember any of this anti-vaccination garbage back then. It was seen as something as routine as going to the dentist and no one questioned it. Watch the 2006 movie "Idiocracy". It was supposed to be a satire and science fiction, but it is becoming a reality.
Becoming Reality? There is more reality in that movie than most people are willing to accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by earl237
Yes a great deal of idiocy and we can put it down to getting our facts from video games
The search is for a reason for autism. During the 1950s, the psychologist Bruno Bettelheim (based on the theories of psychiatrist Leo Kanner) accused parents, in particular mothers, of being cold and unfeeling toward their children who had been diagnosed with autism or schizophrenia -- thus the term "refrigerator mothers" became popular and the accepted cause of autism. Once that theory was disproved, the witch hunt continued, and vaccinations became the culprit. That has now been disproved, but is still a worry among certain groups.
I remember migraines and homosexuality were actually considered mental illnesses as recently as the 1970s, hardly the dark ages.
Why did you negative me? This is an OPINION post.
It wasn't me, I know ratings are not supposed to be given for opinions. Check with the moderator, maybe they can undo it.Quote:
Originally Posted by joypulv
Wasn't me either...
wasn't me either what
Post #29 explains it.
Many of the more "recent" choices for foregoing vaccinations stem from the much publicized MMR/autism connection according to Dr. Wakefield and his co-researchers. It was later refuted, but the perceived connection had already been set in motion and, like most articles that get denounced, it didn't receive as much attention as the original claim. The MMR vaccine and autism: Sensation, refutation, retraction, and fraudQuote:
Originally Posted by earl237
You know, while we are forcing health care, over population, families on welfare with more kids than they can afford. America and Canada, should follow the example of China and only allow one child. After one child they force abortion or sterilization.
Since religious and personal rights have no meaning, we need to do this for the good of the nation.
You don't have to force abortion in America, just stop the religious ones against it, from try to ban it. My kids got vaccinated because it made common sense to protect them from the ones who don't believe in such things.
Chuck in case you hadn't noticed China is a godless society, so we won't be adopting any of their values any time soon. Just because they have to cope with a serious over population problem is no reason to use their methods. Look we all know the answer, a television in every room, every woman taking contraception and lots of food, obese women have less children. You want to solve society's problem give them chocolate and Mcdonalds. I'm surprised it hasn't solved all your problems but give it ten years. Now for India we need a different solution, perhaps they have found it for themselves, AIDS but again I recommend chocolate and curried mutton hamburgers
Australian Vaccination-skeptics Network loses its charity status for fundraising over misinformation claims - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Some of the antics of the anti-vaccination lobby can be misleading and one group got away with it for a while but, now the axe has fallen
no more free money, suggest you have your IRS take similiar steps or would that be too political?
Ah yes... him.Quote:
much publicized MMR/autism connection according to Dr. Wakefield
Andrew Wakefield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born 1957) is a British former surgeon and medical researcher, known for his fraudulent 1998 research paper in support of the now-discredited claimthat there is a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.[1][2][3][4]
Four years after the publication of the paper, other researchers' results had still failed to reproduce Wakefield's findings or confirm his hypothesis of an association between the MMR vaccine and autism[5] or autism and gastrointestinal disease.[6] A 2004 investigation by Sunday Times reporter Brian Deer identified undisclosed financial conflicts of intereston Wakefield's part,[7] and most of his co-authors then withdrew their support for the study's interpretations.
On 28 January 2010, a five-member statutory tribunal of the GMC found three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally challenged children.
Fr_Chuck raises a good point... if they can FORCE you to buy Obamacare... why shouldn't they be able to FORCE you to get vaccinated too.
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