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In a parody of a long forgotten movie NK has threatened the US

U.S. says U.N. sanctions 'will bite' after North Korea threatens nuclear attack - CNN.com

No if you really tried hard you wouldn't know they were there but North Korea continues decades of beligerent behavior and even threatens to tear up the armistice. If you believe the buzz NK even possesses a long rang rocket and nuclear device with which they could attack the US. Sanctions haven't worked, talks haven't worked and the last time it was tried, military action didn't work. This last bastion of Stalinist comunism must be dislodged, but how do you do it without starting WWWIV.

I have a plan, instead of cutting them off from aid, let's use NK as a dumping ground for all the surpluses we have in the west, flood them with stockpiles of food, and last years consumer goods so they are too busy picking over the goodies to make trouble, just think, you could get rid of Prius cars in an instant, or Volts and all those plasma TV's

But.. but.. I want a Prius or a Volt!
Obviously I am missing the point. I do remember declaring war on the US to lose and get foreign aid.
It's a sad country. The people are literally starving while right over the border SK is one of the best economies in the world.

Dennis Rodman told me the people love the fearless leader. . I guess his baskeball tour did not extend to the concentration camps.
Villages turned into CONCENTRATION CAMPS in North Korea as brutal regime struggles to house hundreds of thousands of political prisoners | Mail Online

As far as a preemptive attack on the US ? I think Berkeley has the perfect answer .The city is a “nuclear-free” zone. They're safe . For the rest of us ;aint Star Wars looking better every day ?

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Dennis Rodman told me the people love the fearless leader. .I guess his baskeball tour did not extend to the concentration camps.
Villages turned into CONCENTRATION CAMPS in North Korea as brutal regime struggles to house hundreds of thousands of political prisoners | Mail Online

As far as a preemptive attack on the US ? I think Berkeley has the perfect answer .The city is a “nuclear-free” zone. They're safe . For the rest of us ;aint Star Wars looking better every day ?

Yes there is a lot that is wrong in North Korea and they do resist being brought in the greater Asian sphere of cooperation and prosperity, perhaps they cannot see it through the smog that blows East fron China.

You and I both know they love "the fearless leader" because they are a godless society and have nothing else to worship. They cannot worship the holy dollar, as you do, because they don't have them. As to nuclear attack I expect that MAD still works and I think NK has signed on to your idea. What part of if you are a fearless leader you must appear fearless do you not understand?

Star Wars, yes whatever happened to that?

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Star Wars, yes whatever happened to that?

The latest manifestation of it is called 'Iron Dome'

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the latest manifestation of it is called 'Iron Dome'

Yes you needed the Israeli to help you perfect that, I though you would be much more advanced yourselves with satellites capable of intercepting missles

The opposite is true . WE helped the Israelis develop Iron Dome. Funny that you support the militarization of space. How do you know we don't have that capability ?

But all I can confirm is ground based interceptors.

Let's put it this way. Now that we have a confirmed threat ;why would we allow the NORKS to fire up a multi-staged rocket ,and not destroy it on the ground... even if they claim it's a test ?

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the opposite is true . WE helped the Israelis develop Iron Dome. funny that you support the militarization of space. How do you know we don't have that capability ?

But all I can confirm is ground based interceptors.

Let's put it this way. Now that we have a confirmed threat ;why would we allow the NORKS to fire up a multi-staged rocket ,and not destroy it on the ground ...even if they claim it's a test ?

So you will use HAARP and it will all be over, Did I say I was in favour of space based weapons, that would be in contravention of treaties, no I just asked what happened to that development? But you know as well as I do we will not venture far from this planet without weapons going along with us. Perhaps that si why we haven't gone anywhere yet, no weapons?

I know that certain nations are developing that capability that couldn't give a rat's @ss about 'treaties' . They've already littered lower earth orbit with the remains of their laser based anti-satellite experiments .

Exxpect a few of your own there Tom and what was that craft that kept disappearing for months

isn't that cool! It's the X-37B... hardly a secret . It's on it's 2nd mission.
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I think it very uncool you have a stealth vehicle in space, no wonder your enemies are paranoid and want to launch preemptive strikes, the idea of preemptive strikes they got from you...

How stealth is it ? It's orbit was picked up and tracked by kids with toy telescopes from their back yard.

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no wonder your enemies are paranoid and want to launch preemptive strikes

Let the NORKS try . I still say that his bombast gives us justification for blasting a test launch on it's pad. My biggest concern is that our feckless leader would not come to the defense of our allies. That by the way should be your big concern too.

Kim Jung Uncool can say what he likes, but I expect any strike by him on any nation will be retaliated

Oh the irony!! Emperor Zero's flunky Jay Carney said :
'I can tell you that the United States is fully capable of defending against any North Korean ballistic missile attack," ......"our recent success in returning to testing of the upgraded version of the so-called GBI (ground based interceptor), or the CE2 missile, will keep us on a good trajectory to improve our defense capability against limited ballistic missile threats such as those from North Korea. But let's be clear, we are fully capable of dealing with that threat."

What he fails to mention is that our fearless leader OPPOSED missile defense as a Senator and ran on a platform to gut the funding of missile defense research . During the 2008 campaign he said ;"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space."
And that was one campaign promise he kept .
His 2010 defense budget cut $1.4 billion from missile defense . The cuts reduced funding for the Airborne Laser boost-phase program . He ended the Multiple Kill Vehicle and Kinetic Energy Interceptor program. And he reneged on a deal to provide interceptors and radar sites to Poland and the Czech Republic.
At a 2012 Security Summit in Seoul South Korea He was caught on open mike telling Dmitry Medvedev that he would deal with the Russian issues with the US missile defense programs if Putin would give him some space.
Clearly the President is and has been opposed to the very programs his 'Baghdad Bob ' now touts as our answer to the NORK challenge. He counts on the American sheeple to forget such inconvenient truths .

Ah so Star Wars no more but don't worry that NK missile will probably not get to you the Japanese will shoot it down for you

I guess the prez was plotting the sequester before he proposed the sequester.

Yes that's leadership and strategy, he recognised the military is overblown and wasting money far beyond what is needed for defense, you should be thankfull that he has already made the cuts in the right place even if the republicans don't like them

Gee I thought the evil repubics forced the cuts on the President. The way General Odierno was crying you would have thought the military couldn't defend a sand castle .

No Clete ,the cuts on missile defense are short sighted .For him to tout the progress of the program as he guts it at the same time shows how much of a weasel he is .

Tom get used to it you have over reached and there are better things to do with the money, like pay the interest bill

So it's over reach to defend the nation against a nuclear strike ? OK then

When has there been a nuclear strike other then those you perpetrated? You are paranoid, now I understand why this might be but paranoid nevertheless

You are free to disregard the threats of dictators History has taught me to take what they say seriously .

Tom NK is a freckless little country more trouble than it is worth, even it's ally China has had enough, they don't want the possibility of a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula or to be drawn into a war with the US again. My nation is not the target of NK rhetoric, they have no reason to attack us, but as we take our seat on the security council that might change but there is no target their rockets might reach of real concern. If there is a concern it is that they will polarise the nations of the region and disrupt economic activity

You live on the edge of a tinderbox about the explode and you don't even know it.

What we would hope is you don't throw oil on the fire

The New York Slimes says that South Korea is talking about developing its own nuclear arsenal.

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Opinions like Mr. Kwon's appear to be spreading. Two opinion polls conducted after the third test, one by Gallup Korea and the other by the Asan Institute for Policy Studies, found that 64 to 66.5 percent of the respondents supported the idea that South Korea should develop its own nuclear weapons, similar to polls after the Yeonpyeong attack in 2010.

“Having a nuclear North Korea is like facing a person holding a gun with just your bare hands,” said Mr. Kwon, the engineer. South Koreans should have “our own nuclear capabilities, in case the U.S. pulls out like it did in Vietnam.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/11/wo...pagewanted=all

Why after more than 50 years does South Korea suddenly have these doubts? Why after more than half a century, despite a Peace Constitution, is Japan de facto re-arming? What has changed?
That type of proliferation will happen if the US isn't seen as a credible deterent to the NORKS and China .

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The New York Slimes says that South Korea is talking about developing its own nuclear arsenal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/11/wo...pagewanted=all

Why after more than 50 years does South Korea suddenly have these doubts? Why after more than half a century, despite a Peace Constitution, is Japan de facto re-arming? What has changed?
That type of proliferation will happen if the US isn't seen as a credible deterent to the NORKS and China .

Never fear, Susan Rice may be coming to the rescue...

Susan Rice as national security adviser? U.N. ambassador said to be front-runner

She's on Youtube now looking for anti-Nork videos .

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She's on Youtube now looking for anti-Nork videos .

Preparation.

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Why after more than 50 years does South Korea suddenly have these doubts? Why after more than half a century, despite a Peace Constitution, is Japan de facto re-arming? What has changed?
That type of proliferation will happen if the US isn't seen as a credible deterent to the NORKS and China .

China has had a nuclear deterent for years it hasn't proven to be a problem, but the equation has changed for South Korea, with the north nuclear capable, the south feels threatened at a higher level and wants added assurance. There is obviously something nuts in the hermit kingdom and it has been there for a very long time

It's not China's nukes... it's their growing naval capability ,and aggressive use of it in so called disputed territories. They are a threat to almost all their immediate neighbors from Tibet and India in the West ,to Japan and Taiwan in the East , AND every bordering nation in between

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it's not China's nukes ... it's their growing naval capability ,and aggressive use of it in so called disputed territories. They are a threat to almost all their immediate neighbors from Tibet and India in the West ,to Japan and Taiwan in the East , AND every bordering nation in between

Yes one aircraft carrier is a threat, Tibet doesn't exist tom and they have made no aggressive moves against India or any other nation in the west, Taiwan is an internal issue for the chinese and Japan are ancient enemies reinforced by their despicable actions before and during WWII. I am not really cocerned about some asian nations having at it Tom other than we have all put too much manufacturing capacity in the hands of China. The US needs to be very afraid of an asian war, not because they might attack you but because it will devistate your economy

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Tibet doesn't exist tom

I see what side you're on in their brutal suppression of Tibet.. They don't exist ?Tell that to the hundred+ monks who have self immolated in protest. Hmm maybe that news is being suppressed in the Aussie press like here. Yeah I know . The Chi-coms think they can wait out the Dalai Lama ,and all will be forgotten .

Tom Tibet was annexed sixty years ago and I didn't see the US stepping in to stop it, the way it works in China is if you don't stir up the nationalist and separatist thing then you don't have trouble, yes it was unfortunate China annexed Tibet I expect you would like them to give back parts of sichan and quinhi accuired centuries ago at the same time you might ask the Israeli to give back Golan. The problem is that the Tibetians lost the fight because they didn't have the military muscle to keep China out, and the world could care less, being otherwise occupied with korea, etc and no doubt there were lots of ancient claims. What I don't like is the hyprocracy of crying foul about the Tibetian people now because it is politically expedient to do so

Just because they were annexed doesn't mean they don't exist . The Dalai Lama had a gun held to his hand when he signed to country over to China. During the Great Leap Forward between 200,000 and 1,000,000 Tibetans died. So no I do not recognize Chinese sovereignty .

Stop rewriting history Tom, in any case this thread is not about Tibet but North Korea and the latest is they are going to rein bullets, not nukes. The whole country is off their face with propaganda and there are people who actually want to revive the Korean War. You would think a couple of wars recently would have taught them something, but then, I expect they have been too busy building bombs and holding parades to impress the dear leader to learn lessons in military strategy

New York Slimes noted that 2/3 of South Koreans now support developing their own nuclear deterrent.

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Beyond the immediate fear of a military provocation, analysts say deeper anxieties are also at work in the South. One of the biggest is the creeping resurgence of old fears about the reliability of this nation's longtime protector, the United States. Experts say the talk of South Korea's acquiring nuclear weapons is an oblique way to voice the concerns of a small but growing number of South Koreans that the United States, either because of budget cuts or a lack of will, may one day no longer act as the South's ultimate insurance policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/11/wo...anted=all&_r=0

They join current allies Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan, who are beginning to realize that the under Emperor Zero ,they are on their own. In the Middle East ,they confront a similar problem as the 12ers continue to develop their nuke program virtually undeterred .
Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, who could easily go nuclear if they choose. So the only thing that is preventing proliferation beyond everyone's imagination is what's left of the promise of an American defense umbrella.

Oh did you hear that Obama is unilaterally dismantling the American nuclear capability ?
The David Sanger of the Slimes reported the day before the SOTU that the administration is looking to cut the current nuclear force down 30 percent.

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The nuclear reduction plan has been debated inside the administration for two years, and the options have been on Mr. Obama's desk for months. But the document was left untouched through the presidential election. The president wanted to avoid making the reductions a campaign issue with Mitt Romney...

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So at a time where our allies are questioning our commitment to their defense ;where Zero has demonstrated a preference to retreat ,or at best lead from behind ;a time where he has proven his desire to gut the US military ,including the nuclear deterrence ;does it surprise anyone that the forces of evil are emboldened ?

Wouldn't worry Tom you have more than enough nuclear capability to kill us all

With Obama depleting existing stock and not even upgrading what's left ;we will have about 1000 aged and deteriorating nukes for our umbrella .