Hello:

During Obama's first term, he made plenty of overtures toward the Republicans.. They always said NO.. He included tax cuts in the stimulus bill to attract Republicans. They said NO. He designed his health care bill after a successful Republican plan. They said NO. He offered to cut Medicare and Social Security to make a grand bargain. They said NO.

Turns out, the Republicans were following a PLAN. On the very day Obama was being sworn in, top Republicans were meeting to formulate a plan.. It was a simple plan. They'd just say NO to EVERYTHING Obama proposed. And, that's exactly what they did.

Now, before you right wingers chime in with your tired old spin where Obama is the intransigent (I won), the Republicans ADMITTED their miserable plot.

Now comes Obama 2.0. Looks like he paid attention during his first term He's NOT going for the okee doak any more. He's NOT going to be played for a sucker any more... He's going to adopt the Republican strategy of take no prisoners, and DESTROY them with it.

Last week, he KILLED 'em over the fiscal cliff. Today, he ANNIHILATED 'em over the debt ceiling.. And, he's only just begun.

I kind of LIKE Obama 2.0. You?

excon

Ex negative tactics are a part of politics, yes its nasty and we saw the same tactics adopted across the pond here. Sometimes it is done to get the other side to listen and sometimes it is just pure bloodymindedness as it appears it was this time. Anyone can be a spoiler but it isn't a way to get people to vote for you, after all what can you say you achieved. You blocked this bill, you blocked that bill, you achieved nothing for your constituency.

Republicans will reap the result of their negative tactics, they will snatch defeat from THE JAWS OF VICTORY

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Today, he ANNIHILATED 'em over the debt ceiling

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They self destructed due to the poor leadership of Speaker Bonehead (The Weeper of the House ) . The Repubics had the chance to oust him when this Congress assembled . The inside the Beltway RINOs still control the party.Yesterday they demonstrated again that they are a bunch of metrosexual momma's boys who will roll over and play dead when things get tough.

Here's the plan announced ;"We'll Raise Debt Limit for 3 Months if Senate Agrees to Produce a Budget". They know that Reid will not pass a budget ,and in the end ,they will cave and increase the debt ceiling with no concessions from the Dems.

Conservatives have a choice to make ;attempt to become the dominant faction of the party, accept that the Repubics will always be Democrat-lite ,or blow the party up .

Were they annihilated or just showing a little bit of responsibility for a change. Perhaps some of the hot heads got blown away in the election and the rest took it under advisement, they saw the outcome of negative politics and faceless men pulling strings

Remember when Emperor Zero said he's 'laser focused on jobs ? And he appointed a Jobs Czar (Jeff Immelt )to head up a Jobs Council ? Well as of this week ;it's been a year since his Job Council has met.
President Barack Obama's Jobs Council hits 1 year without official meeting - POLITICO.com

The Council is set to expire soon unless the President re-commissions it . But the President has moved on to more society transforming plans. Why should he care that in 4 years ,new job growth has been at best disappointingly modest ? Obama 2.0 don't have to worry about that .Heck; if he's using the Roosevelt model as a template ,then we will still be in a sluggish recession/depression after 8 years in office .Proof again that the model being executed by the Dems is fundamentally flawed and doomed to failure.

Tom what will not solve a jobs crisis is pubic servants and well meaning others holding a talk fest. If they haven't met it is probably that they realised that the traditional measures weren't working and weren't going to work. Obama cannot be blamed for that, although I hear you blaming him often. No one really has the solution because as I have told you before the industries you need have conveniently been moved to China by your money grubbing job creators, who are laughing all the way to the bank. You say the model is flawed, but what model, the only model they have tried is the traditional model, because a new model hasn't been invented yet. Not even QE has done anything. You have oversupply in housing, courtesy of another bubble, so a traditional staple of economic activity just isn't happening. Who is going to invest with only a guarantee of poor or none existent returns. Obviously not those cashed up job creators. I say use a good ole socialist remedy, freeze bank deposits if they are not spent in three months

There is nothing else for it but some good ole restructuring, and the best place to start would be agriculture, that bastion of right wing subsidy

A true "right winger " doesn't like subsidies of any kind. If they do ,then they have indeed succumbed to the flawed statist models of the past

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Were they annihilated or just showing a little bit of responsibility for a change. Perhaps some of the hot heads got blown away in the election and the rest took it under advisement, they saw the outcome of negative politics and faceless men pulling strings

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No ;Bonehead and the Republic leadership have had their jewels turned into Rocky Mountain oysters.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

a true "right winger " doesn't like subsidies of any kind. If they do ,then they have indeed succumbed to the flawed statist models of the past

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Tom, they vote Republican with their hand out, you know this. So now you have a way of identifying "true Republicans", they are the dirt poor farmers who don't take subsidies, I expect they are thin on the ground

I have been very careful differentiating between what I called a true "right winger " ,or conservative from "true Republicans" . I have seen no evidence that Repubics are conservative. Sometimes conservatives influence their platforms... but when it comes down to it , inside the beltway Repubics are at heart in favor of the same nanny state the Dems favor. The difference is in managing style.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...ut-message.htm

He's still the same arrogant prick as before.

I love the new guy, the comunnity organizer who is actually organizing the community.

Democratic officials: Obama team creating new nonprofit to promote president's 2nd-term agenda - 1/18/2013 2:57:36 AM | Newser

Move over TParty, see how its done.

Hello again,

That RINO Krauthammer is making war on Republicans too.

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The party establishment is coming around to the view that if you try to govern from one house — e.g. force spending cuts with cliffhanging brinkmanship — you lose. You not only don't get the cuts. You get the blame for rattled markets and economic uncertainty. You get humiliated by having to cave in the end. And you get opinion polls ranking you below head lice and colonoscopies in popularity.

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Bwa, ha ha ha..

Excon

Yeah because the libs have never had an independent 'nonprofit" political action committee before. (Moveon.org ,Freedomworks ,Sierra Club,Planned Parenthood ,NOW ,ACLU... etc etc )... the only difference is that this one will be blatantly be run by White House apparatchik.
Planned Parenthood made about $85 million as a non-profit last year. This non-profit should be worth at least as much to the Prez.

This will pave the way to perpetrate Emperor Zero past his 2nd term . Jimmy Carter built houses ,Bill Clintoon jet set around the world hosting One world global initiatives .This will be the golden calf tribute to the One . No doubt they will lead a push to have his face carved on Mt Rushmore.

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Hello again,

That RINO Krauthammer is making war on Republicans too.



Bwa, ha ha ha..

excon

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Krauthammer has joined the echo chamber that thinks that since the Repubics have no spine.. the best they can do is kick the can down the road until 2014. I think that is a terrible mistake. There are already too many things the country won't recover from as a result of electing this clown to a 2nd term.

You mean things that you guys won't recover from because of his re election. Unless you mean the big celebration we are having.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I love the new guy, the comunnity organizer who is actually organizing the community.

Democratic officials: Obama team creating new nonprofit to promote president's 2nd-term agenda - 1/18/2013 2:57:36 AM | Newser

Move over TParty, see how its done.

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"Funded in part by corporate money."

I thought you hated that sort of thing.

I think the Repubics have become Zero's puppies. They can't even win battles on spending restraints related to Hurricane Sandy even though there is more pork in the bill than actual aid to the victims. If you don't think so ,then watch the panting by Chris Christie over Obama . Disgusting ! And all I hear is about him being the possible standard bearer in 2016.. It makes my skin crawl that they would consider another Northeast big government Republic .

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"Funded in part by corporate money."

I thought you hated that sort of thing.

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That's the libs loving 'Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission'

NO.
He spent 6 trillion dollars, with nothing to show for it.
He has told more lies that any other President in history, and continues with them.
No new taxes in the Middle Class he said, while the ObamaCare has 3.8% new taxes, started Jan. 1, 2013, on all investments, savings, etc, that hardly anyone knows about. cause the average voter NEVER watches any national news!
He jammed through the ObamaCare behind closed doors, with NO Republican votes.
Other private laws behind closed doors, with none.
He promised to be "open" with his Presidency, but you can see he is the most "closed" President in our history.
He is playing the Republicans as "fools" simply because they don't have the nerve to say "NO", and mean it. They agree to the Fiscal Cliff stuff, and wouldn't say no.
Obama lied about the US going into default if it didn't happen. The US draws in enough money to pay off the interest on the National Debt, and Obama says it doesn't... another lie.
He is destroying America, and "die-hard" Democrats can't see it, won't believe it, and it will be too late when they actually admit what's going on.
No one can continue spending more money that they take in; neither you nor I cause we will be out in the cold; just like America is planning on doing under Obama.
The average voter in the US likes being on Gov't welfare, whether they deserve it or not. And with 1 out of 5 now in food stamps, more than in History, the voters are NOT going to throw away their breadwinner, giving stuff to them. Unemployment benefits will be extended for another year, costing no telling how much. Why would the voter want to go back to work when they get it for free, under Obama?
When is enough going to be enough. I know, when Hillary is elected President!

Hello again, tom:

Yup. You're a true believer. Everybody but the Tea Party are RINO'S now.

Essentially, you're agreeing with my premise, though. Obama 2.0 is kicking a$$ and taking names. He's DESTROYING the GOP as we know it. Or, they're self destructing, I can't tell.

Of course, that IS what you tried to do to him. Didn't work, and you soooooo believed it would.

excon

1 . Perhaps the Repubics need to be broken up and dissolved like the Whigs of the past.
2. The Dems factions will not hold together much longer ;and this assault on the 2nd amendment will create the beginning fissures in the Zero coalition. By the time of the primaries you will see the discernible cracks with people like VP Biden ,Evita ,and Governor Cuomo claiming the mantle of 'true Democrat'.There will be others as the various special interest groups realize he played them for chumps.

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NO.
He spent 6 trillion dollars, with nothing to show for it.
He has told more lies that any other President in history, and continues with them.
No new taxes in the Middle Class he said, while the ObamaCare has 3.8% new taxes, started Jan. 1, 2013, on all investments, savings, etc, that hardly anyone knows about., cause the average voter NEVER watches any national news!
He jammed through the ObamaCare behind closed doors, with NO Republican votes.
Other private laws behind closed doors, with none.
He promised to be "open" with his Presidency, but you can see he is the most "closed" President in our history.
He is playing the Republicans as "fools" simply because they don't have the nerve to say "NO", and mean it. They agree to the Fiscal Cliff stuff, and wouldn't say no.
Obama lied about the US going into default if it didn't happen. The US draws in enough money to pay off the interest on the National Debt, and Obama says it doesn't....another lie.
He is destroying America, and "die-hard" Democrats can't see it, won't believe it, and it will be too late when they actually admit what's going on.
No one can continue spending more money that they take in; neither you nor I cause we will be out in the cold; just like America is planning on doing under Obama.
The average voter in the US likes being on Gov't welfare, whether they deserve it or not. and with 1 out of 5 now in food stamps, more than in History, the voters are NOT going to throw away their breadwinner, giving stuff to them. Unemployment benefits will be extended for another year, costing no telling how much. Why would the voter want to go back to work when they get it for free, under Obama?
When is enough going to be enough. I know, when Hillary is elected President!

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Hey that's what the repubs and Mitt have been saying and they lost. Guess not enough people bought your Kool Aid to stay in business.

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1 . Perhaps the Repubics need to be broken up and dissolved like the Whigs of the past.

Thats what the TParty is doing all right. Darn good job too!

2. The Dems factions will not hold together much longer ;and this assault on the 2nd amendment will create the beginning fissures in the Zero coalition.

And of course you think those new Independents will run far right don't you? I don't think so.

By the time of the primaries you will see the discernible cracks with people like VP Biden ,Evita ,and Governor Cuomo claiming the mantle of 'true Democrat'.

Makes for a great primary with great candidates, but the real show will be the repubs, Ryan, Rubio, Bush, and Christie.

There will be others as the various special interest groups realize he played them for chumps.

I doubt any of them run far right either. Do you? Lets face it, its the real repubs against the RINO's, Let us know who wins.Never mind,we willknow when Newt make his comeback.

So Tal it's Newt V Hilary, that's going to hand the country to eight more years of Democrats, Newt couldn't even get there in a primary against weak candidates, he is yesterday's man. You had better get used to big deficits and business as usual

Who care who they nominate. The last primary was a hoot, and I expect the next to be even better. I give Christie and Bush the long odds though.

So Tal what are you saying? It doesn't matter who they nominate, they are going down as the democrat dynasty continues or are you saying the Republicans will wise up and run a whole new batch of candidates. Four Years is a long time and even though they have to start planning now you might see another young senator emerge

That young senator had better start emerging soon!

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So Tal what are you saying? it doesn't matter who they nominate, they are going down as the democrat dynasty continues or are you saying the Republicans will wise up and run a whole new batch of candidates. Four Years is a long time and even though they have to start planning now you might see another young senator emerge

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The Repubics thought they had a permanent majority after 2004 . Now am I hearing the same arrogance from the Dems ? Lol

I am not so naïve to think one election cycle victory will be repeated again, let alone forever, but I am confident cooler reasonable people will vote their own interests, and not the interest of the party. Any party.

I am confident because Americans want their country back, and want it to work for them. Not just the few. And reasonable republicans will run from the crazy far right extremist as a matter of survival.

You aligned yourself with the most extreme elements of the Dems and I don't hear a peep from you except for unconditional loyalty . Reasonable Dems are already recognizing they've been sold a bill of goods. See Ed Koch on Obama's abandonment of Israel . See all the Dem Senators up for reelection in 2014 who are from swing states who will have to answer to their states if they support a radical gun ban. (Mark Begich of Alaska, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Mark Udall of Colorado, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Tim Johnson of South Dakota and Mark Warner of Virginia). They will have to break with the President or the Dems will lose their Senate majority .

I think you are reading the electorate wrongly, Tom, you see it through traditional eyes, but the groundswell of public opinion is for gun reform and there just may be a plus in it. BO is smart enough to have read public opinion on this issue and he will ride the groundswell and it may even enable him to do something about this fiscal cliff nonsense.

I think your electorate has had enough of stalemate and negativity and progress can be made.

It's the game of politics Tom, and you don't change what's winning for you do you? We keep our extremists in check with a big tent, something for every one, even lost RINO's, and "blue dogs".

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Its the game of politics Tom, and you don't change whats winning for you do you? We keep our extremists in check with a big tent, something for every one, even lost RINO's, and "blue dogs".

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Do you think it is time for a new party to emerge, the ORADNA's, let's see could we find a better name. In old world parlance it would be liberal, note the small "l". They could have a symbol of a prancing Rino or to be neutral a Giraffe or an Ostrich

Not a new party just new leaders with new attitudes.

Nice sentiment but falorn hope

Hopes got nothing to do with it. You just keep working at it.

I think the fast track is revolution, the just keep working at it track is called evolution and we know that takes eons, generations, even millennia so borrow an R from the republicans and get on with it

Jon Huntsman and Joe Manchin are trying to re jig the No Labelers to try to give them some relevance. But they can rebrand all they want to and they would still be 'No Solutions'.
Yes ,I would like it if a Constitutional /classic liberal party would emerge to replace the Repubics in a two party system.

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I have been very careful differentiating between what I called a true "right winger " ,or conservative from "true Republicans" . I have seen no evidence that Repubics are conservative. Sometimes conservatives influence their platforms .... but when it comes down to it , inside the beltway Repubics are at heart in favor of the same nanny state the Dems favor. The difference is in managing style.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...ut-message.htm

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Yes, of course it's all about management style. Management is all about dealing with the problems that present themselves at the time and implementing solutions recommended by the prevailing methodology.

The "true conservatives" won't have a management style? If by some quirk of nature the "true conservatives" got into power what are they going to do? Take us back to the past to save the future?

In light of the world we actually live in, as opposed to some ideological construct of the past; what management strategies are going to be implemented to bridge this chasm?

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Jon Huntsman and Joe Manchin are trying to re jig the No Labelers to try to give them some relevance. But they can rebrand all they want to and they would still be 'No Solutions'.
Yes ,I would like it if a Constitutional /classic liberal party would emerge to replace the Repubics in a two party system.

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So Tom you are one of my people after all, but why can't you have more than two so you can get away from this polarisation. It makes them have to work harder