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Hello:
No candidate has ever won the presidency WITHOUT winning Ohio.
Did you know that 6% of Ohioans think Romney is MORE responsible for killing Ben Laden than Obama is? If Romney could work on THAT segment of the population he's got a chance.
Silly Republicans.Quote:
Q15 Who do you think deserves more credit for the
Killing of Osama bin Laden: Barack Obama or
Mitt Romney?
Barack Obama... 63%
Mitt Romney... 6%
Excon
Obumbo will win only with the DNC get out the vote program at all the cemeteries in the state... thats why they oppose ID requirements, because its too hard for dead people to get an ID.
Hello smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You know they DO require an ID to register. If dead people can get by the registrar, that ain't the Democrats fault.
excon
Do you remember Michael Dukakis? He was up 17 points at this time... did he win?
Silly Republicans? Silly Ohioans, the sample was mostly libs and moderates and 31% aren't sure who is responsible for killing bin Laden.
I grew up near Ohio... the entire state is an armpit. Always was, never changed either. In fact isn't their state mascot a hairy armpit?
I'd be concerned if the polling was the last week of October .
No candidate has ever won the presidency WITHOUT winning Ohio... since JFK.. Ohio has gone to every winner since ;and no REPUBLICAN has ever won without Ohio.
Here is JFK's electoral map:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ge1960.svg.png
Is the red in the middle of the map indicative of the rust belt
No Michigan,the heart of the rust belt is #20 . Illinois ,home of the crypt voters in 1960 is #27 also a blue state .This year as in years before the Democrat boats will cross the river Styx and summon their corpse constituency to do their duty .
Pennsylvania 32 West Virginia 8,and upstate NY 45 , all part of the rust belt , are all blue on the map.
Perhaps there is significance in that, the impact of an economic downturn falling more heavily on democratic voters. I expect jobs get created in other places by those republican business men investing their wealth in jobs
Or perhaps it's mismanagement of those states by the Democrat machines that drives business away.
Hello again,
Did you see the Sunday shows? Romney and Ryan were all tied up in knots... They looked, frankly, STUPID... The answers to the questions were OFF the wall.. Even Republicans want to know WHAT loopholes they're going to close, and they WON'T say...
That's a recipe for disaster...
Look.. I don't know WHY the Republicans wanted to run a guy they really don't like, but THIS is the cost... Obama in a landslide.
excon
I think Obama looks stupid every time he gets on camera and starts to lie... which is every time he opens his mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So now you tell me the choice is between dumb and dumber
And Obama and Biden are such sharp guys...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
That's four words, like Biden's 3 letter word "jobs."Quote:
At a campaign event in Kissimmee, Fla. Obama said if voters re-elect him over GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, he’ll push to see “three proud words” on products around the world: “Made in the USA.”
Um, that would be Paul Ryan, the House Budget Committee Chair and VP candidate.Quote:
President Obama told author Bob Woodward that he didn't know Rep. Paul Ryan was going to attend at a major speech he delivered last year on spending and debt, and says in retrospect that it was "a mistake" to dress down Ryan and his budget plans to his face in that setting.
In the interview conducted July 11 -- about a month before Ryan was tapped as Mitt Romney's running mate – the president also misstated the first name of the man who is now on the opposing presidential ticket.
"I'll say it – I think that I was not aware when I gave that speech that Jack Ryan was going to be sitting right there," the president told Woodward according to audio transcripts of their conversations, provided to ABC News.
Oh, and the WaPo/ABC poll shows the race about even among likely voters with Romney up 11 with independents.Quote:
On the campaign trail, President Obama is constantly talking about the importance of technology, but he met his match in an iPhone Sunday.
The president had stopped at a campaign office in Port St. Lucie, Fla. to thank volunteers. Then, for the cameras, Mr. Obama was supposed to call two campaign workers who were out working on his behalf.
But when White House trip director Marvin Nicholson handed the president his personal iPhone, Mr. Obama couldn't get it to work. A reporter who witnessed the scene said the president looked "befuddled."
"It's not clear he knows how to dial on an iPhone," the reporter wrote in a pool report.
Hello again, Steve:
This isn't about stupidity.. It's about a strategy. The Romney/Ryan STRATEGY is stupid. Oh, if it WORKED, it wouldn't be stupid, but it's NOT working.
Look.. What EVERYBODY thought when Ryan was picked, and that includes MOST Republicans, is that we were going to get some DETAIL... That is, after all, what Paul Ryan was known for. He was a straight shooting wonky guy who walked the conserve walk..
Then in his FIRST interview, he got tongue tied, and looked ANYTHING but like the guy he WAS.
excon
Personally I think the ticket is backwards, but there's a long way to go yet.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Nahhh... It's OVER.. And you said why. Romney is NOT the guy Republicans WANT. That's WHY you're not going to get him.
Obama in a landslide.
excon
Not going to happen... there isn't that many stupid and uneducated people to make that mistake a second time.
Hello smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
IF you'da run a WINNER, that would be so.. And, you're right... Obama is EMINENTLY beatable - but by a WINNER - NOT by Romney... You HAVE winners too... Mitch Daniels, Rob Portman, Jeb Bush, Chris Christy, and others... But, NOOOOO... You decided to run a LOSER instead. I don't know why.
Obama in a landslide.
excon
Romney is being groomed for the debates. Wonder if they will become his saving grace.
Romeny is a smart man... he doesn't need a speech writer to program a teleprompter to tell him what to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Obama doesn't do well without a teleprompter... and has been known to put his foot in his mouth in such cases... The Joe the Plumber incident being just one.
I don't know the outcome... but I'm sure there won't be a landslide one way or the other . The pollsters are trying to say that the modest bump the President got after the convention will be enough to cover the Prez because there are not that many undecided . But if the Prez gets a couple more economic reports like he got Friday..?
Tom
What is the matter with you guys, you got a report on employment that says there is growth and that Obama is doing as well coming out of a recession as others have done and you still whine about how it isn't enough. Tell that to your job creators who are hanging on to their money.
This is the worse 'recovery ' in the post-WWII era . The employment numbers are a deceptive joke . 4 times as many people left the work force than found jobs last month. The unemployment rate does not count people who have given up looking for work. If the same # of people were in the work force as were in when the recession started ,the unemployment rate would be over 11% . That is what we get for 31/2 years and over a $ trillion in wasted stimulus spending .
Your populace would not call that a good job .Why do you call it a good job here ? NOBODY here thinks the employment report was positive . The only thing in his favor is no matter what he does. it's Bush's fault in the minds of the Obots .
No we didn't... the numbers of people needing work as they graduate and reach adulthood GREW many times that, plus it did not account for the number of actual people with a job DECREASING... so even without that contraction... its still really a negative number not a positive one... All those numbers can be Googled on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The number quoted by Obama is a statistically fudged number... it doesn't reflect the ACTUAL number of unemployed... only those who actually still qualify for unemployment benefits...
Recent grads without work... don't qualify... those who have exhausted their benefits don't qualify, Independent contractors and everyone else that self employed that don't have jobs don't count... that's why the number Obama used is essentially a worthless number.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Nahhh... The Friday job numbers SUCKED and Obama's popularity went UP... The economy has already been discounted by the electorate.. It's about OTHER stuff right now... I don't know what.
Ok, yes I do. It's about the competence of the Romney/Ryan ticket... He's really blowing it.. On Sunday he said he LIKED the good parts of Obamacare and is going to KEEP them... On Sunday night, the campaign said Romney didn't know what he was talking about... On Friday, Ryan said he believed the states had the right to make medical marijuana LEGAL. On Saturday, the campaign said Ryan didn't know what he was talking about...
So, I'll bet Republicans, along with the rest of us, wonder exactly what the Romney/Ryan ticket believes... In my view, THAT, and that alone is what's making Obama's numbers go UP, and it's getting WORSE every day.
Obama in a landslide...
excon
Tom there are some fundamentals here you are in deniel about, growth in employment has nothing to do with unemployment persee, two different things. Your employers exported the jobs to China, therefore recovery will be slow because lots of that stimulus money actually goes to pay for imports so what you have been saying is that there are less people employed now than there used to be.That might be so for a number of reasons but unlikely that the OBama policies caused it.The statistics show that the number of discouraged workers has decreased in the past year. They also show your manufacturing industries are letting the side down, so the tax cuts as an incentive to increasing employment hasn't worked, however employment in fast food has increased so you can look forward to a junk food led recoveryQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You want to say that the US performance wouldn't be acceptable here, but we went through this twenty years ago and are now on the other side. We have continual reports of layoffs and companies folding, but no one has got up the government and said you are lying about the statistics. We acknowledge that recovery takes time and things change, we adapt and we don't take away unemployment benefits while we do it
Well Clete we have half the government sitting on the sidelines throwing rocks so they can make the other half look bad, so they can take over government again and give the new president and all their donors trillions more cash.
Our recession was over a few years ago actually. Its big business holding down the economy waiting for the rest of the loot dragging down the economy.
Don't worry its almost over.
What is almost over Tal? You drill down in your statistics and you find, surprise, surprise, unemployment is highest among the lesser educated, the blacks, and the hispanics. What does this tell us? The cannon fodder industries that used to employ these people are no longer there. Whatever recovery is to be made has been made, now you need new industries to employ those who haven't got a job and you need them spread all over the country, fat chance. You might as well reinstitute conscription and put the army to work on community projects, that would clean up the unemployment statistics, because what's going to happen when those troops come home from Afghanistan, you will get a bounce in unemployment
Yeah ! Why doesn't the Senate do it's job ?Quote:
Well Clete we have half the government sitting on the sidelines
True and we should've had a V recovery instead of the flat recovery we are seeing (threatening to go into double dip ala FDR's failed policies ) .Quote:
Our recession was over a few years ago actually.
Now yesterday ,foreign policy enters the arena with our Ambassador to Libya being butchered by the people we helped liberate ;our embassy in Cairo attacked ,the flag shredded ,and the State Dept apologizing to the murderous jihadists on the anniversary of 9-11 . This President's conversion to Jimmy Carter redux complete.
Ok now you have an excuse for a war on islam or arabs or something, will it start in Syria or be confined to those misguided people in Libya or Egypt who just want to think what they think and do what they do, not freedom by american standards. But then we can't all be perfect can we? OH ! We love shock an awe let's reduce Cairo to rubble, Tripoli to rubble, oh I forgot you have already done that, never mind there is always Bengazi, Demascus will be next, Because they have WMD don't you know
I suppose Red Julia would also adopt an appeaser policy too if your ambassador was murdered .
No I don't expect she would, however I can't see us razing a city or two, gunboat diplomacy isn't our sTyle. What has happened is regretable, deplorable, despicable, however when you sup with the devil, and make no mistake, I consider islam the devil, you are apt to get burned
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Obstructionism, of course... The same kind of obstructionism that's happening in the House... I don't hear you complaining about that..
excon
You know even Democrats have complained about Obama's lack of leadership. Leading from behind isn't being a leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Not only did he fail on this collapse but as I've said many times lately he started the war...Quote:
"Gaps" in President Obama's leadership contributed to the collapse of a "grand bargain" on spending and debt last year, with the president failing to cultivate congressional relationships that may have helped him break through Republican opposition, author Bob Woodward told ABC News' Diane Sawyer.
Woodward's reporting in his new book, "The Price of Politics," reveals a president whom he said lacked the "stamina" in turning personal relationships with congressional leaders into action the way some of his predecessors have done.
"President Clinton, President Reagan. And if you look at them, you can criticize them for lots of things. They by and large worked their will," Woodward told Sawyer."On this, President Obama did not."
"Now, some people are going to say he was fighting a brick wall, the Republicans in the House and the Republicans in Congress. Others will say it's the president's job to figure out how to tear down that brick wall. In this case, he did not."
I say it's more than two sides to Obama, the man wants to be king.Quote:
Woodward places particular blame for the failure to reach a deal with Obama, writing that the seeds of discord were planted early in his administration. He displayed "two sides" of his personality in early meetings with congressional leaders, Woodward said.
"There's this divided-man quality to President Obama always. Initially he meets with the congressional leaders, he says you know, 'We're going to be accommodating, we're going to listen, we're going to talk, we're going to compromise," Woodward said.
"But then they -- Republicans ask some questions and challenge him a little bit and he says, 'Look I won. I'm in charge here,' " Woodward continued. "And the Republicans feel totally isolated and ostracized. And this was the beginning of a war."
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't disagree with you. I don't think he's shown leadership, and I've not been shy about saying that... However, there is one reason to vote for Obama. In my view, Roe v Wade is just one right wing Supreme Court Justice from being overturned...
A vote for Obama would PREVENT that, of course. The king in a landslide..
excon
Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So which one is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The righty's will complain no matter what he does so it just becomes background white noise after a while.
Harry Ried is the true obstructionist... thinking he is a Mini-Emporor and deciding what will and what won't get seen by anyone else in the Senate...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Face up to the reality... how did someone who's never had a real job and was poor when he first got elected get to be one of the richest men in Washington on the pay of a senator?
I'm not a one issue person like you and the Dems at their abortionpalooza in Charlotte. Personally I don't see a snowball's chance in hell that Roe will ever be overturned. It's a done deal so why worry about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I mean seriously ex, Germany is telling the US our debt levels are too high. The Senate (noted over and over) hasn't even BOTHERED with coming up with a budget in over three years. We just topped a trillion dollar deficit for the fourth time. Unemployment has been over 8 percent forever and the religionists of perpetual outrage are in a fury again.
Why are all your marbles on abortion? Are you kidding me?
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