In response to a very un-Christian idiot in Florida, the Mullahs in Afghanistan have advised turning the other cheek... er, stirring the masses to violence.
Thus far, only 20 killed.
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In response to a very un-Christian idiot in Florida, the Mullahs in Afghanistan have advised turning the other cheek... er, stirring the masses to violence.
Thus far, only 20 killed.
Is this suppose to be surprising? When the people act like drones and are so uneducated that they can't see the nose on their face what do you expect. Maybe they should light up korans all around the city and as they come to protest shoot them and put them out of their misery.
At the risk of being politically incorrect, dad... LOL.
Do you think it is posible someone over there can take that idiot preacher out behind the church and teach him some manners, you don't throw petrol on a fire. We all know the quoran is crap but it does no good to stir up the Muslims
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Again?? AGAIN?? Actually we invaded THEIR country. But, you bring up an interesting dichotomy. We say we're not at war with Islam, but if you were them, as uneducated as dad says they are, when this jerk off burns a Koran, wouldn't YOU think they are making war on your religion?? You WOULD, and you WOULD respond.
Then you have the temerity to slam them for their religion of "peace". What the Afghans did, SHOULD have been, and WAS expected. In my view, the jerk off pastor should be arrested for the deaths HE caused in Afghanistan. You CAN'T yell fire in a crowded theater. That's what he did. ARREST THE BASTARD!
excon
That will never happen so long as we have all the other crap to deal with like this :Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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I know it's strange to you, Clete, but he has the right to be an idiot. What's the mullah's excuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Hello again, clete:Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete/2760128
No, WE don't! It's no more crap than the stupid book YOU worship. In fact, your book is FULL of killing and maiming... I haven't read it for a while, but doesn't it say stuff like someone who doesn't honor their mother and father SHOULD BE KILLED?? I think it DOES.
excon
Dude, people have been burning bibles and making war against my religion for a long time. Thus far I haven't incited any violence or killed anyone over it... which along with the fact that Christians aren't making human bombs of 12 year olds, flying planes into skyscrapers or chanting "death to Iran" in the name of Jesus, is why I have the temerity to slam them for their "religion of peace."Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No, he provoked unnecessarily and he's an idiot, but our constitution gives him and those Phelps folks the right to be idiots. Yelling fire in a crowded theater would be burning the koran in Afghanistan, which if he really had any convictions is what he'd do.Quote:
You CAN'T yell fire in a crowded theater. That's what he did.
While I agree in part with your statement. Lets look at the fact here. The book burning took place 2 weeks ago. And just now they are getting around to responding to it? Its nothing like a crowded theater.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I don't agree with the inciteful nature of the book burning itself. But I do believe in calling a spade a spade. Nazism was at its heart a religion albeit an occult one in nature. So keeping quiet about a situation doesn't always aide in its eradication. That being said I believe we should point out the shortcomings when it comes to the mixed statement of Islam. In today's times there is no reason for religions not to live in coexistance and to fight out the ideoligy through peaceful means of education. But that is not the islamic way. In times of old that area of the world was a great wonder and education. Many roots in science and astronomy have ties directly to that area and those of writing. Its not that we are dealing with dumb people we are dealing with a society of peoples that have been dumbed down through the ages by a certain religion. Its high time for a wake up and I believe that is why we are seeing such an upsurge at this time. But in reality they did attatck a school for women during the protest. They need to figure out how to raise the bar and everyone will benefit from it. This may only be a spark that starts a huge fire.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So, you AGREE that burning your religious book IS an act of war on your religion. I figured as much.
Besides, your legal analysis is faulty. You cannot yell FIRE in a crowded theater, because doing so WILL cause unnecessary death. The physical distance between the deaths that occurred, and the speech that caused it, is irrelevant.
Arrest that BASTARD!
excon
Ex, your analogy is faulty. He didn't yell fire, he provoked, there was no incitement of panic. Muslims had a choice with a long to think about it before deciding on their response. They chose violence and death against others that had nothing to do with Jones.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
My friend, you should stick to politics and baseball, and leave the law to me. The term "yelling fire" is a metaphor. In this country it's illegal to utter ANY speech that causes death. Panic and incitement are NOT required.
excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't know if you edited or I missed it, but in any case, what you say above would be an EXCELLENT defense in his murder trial - OK, his manslaughter trial.
excon
I understand metaphors, ex, why do you guys keep trying to tell I don't understand? I don't understand fantasy baseball yet, and I made that clear, but I understand metaphors.
From Holmes' opinion: The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.
As far as I know, Jones, moron that he may be, did not incite panic or create an unconstitutional clear and present danger. And trust me, I don't condone what he did and don't like the fact that he'll be here campaigning for our own moron that wants to be mayor... our mayoral race is right out of an SNL skit but that's another story. But, there is only one religion responding to every perceived insult with violence, murder and mayhem, you want to excuse them still?
Hello again, Steve:
In MY opinion, you can't say to a crowd that X needs to be killed - even if X's eventual killer had lots of time to consider his actions. Plus, speaking those words didn't create a present danger, yet if those words are acted upon, the speaker WILL be guilty of a crime.
Was O'Reilly guilty because he called Dr. Tiller a baby killer? No. If he said Tiller should be SHOT, you betcha.
Who is this Holmes guy, anyway?
excon
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. the man that wrote the majority opinion where that phrase was made famous.
I didn't know Jones called for X to be killed, did he?
I find it strange Ex if someone attacks you you go ape and try to bomb them out of existence but let one of you give offence to a large part of the world's population you say he has a right to do so. What you are telling me is you all think you have a right to behave like idiots. Only an idiot thinks they have a right to behave like an idiot. Burning the Quoran wasn't free speech, your constitution doesn't give him the right to defile someoneelse's religion, to be deliberately provocative. That is an idiot's view of what it says.
Hello clete:Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I'm not quite sure what you're smoking, but I didn't say any of that.
excon
We have a really good line of Sifton Bush over here ex highly aromatic
so Ex ;would burning the American flag be the equivalent of the incitement provocation if someone went in wild rampage over the burning ?
As I recall ,that was a legitimate expression of 1st amendment rights.
Would the artist who soaked the Christian cross in urine get arrested for inciting me to rage ? As I recall I was forced to become that artist's patron with my tax dollars.
Don't ask ex complex questions he just knows he has rights or is that wrongs
This LA Art exhibit has paintings in the theme 'Jesus is coming'. I'll piont out that one of them has a depiction of Sarah Palin being crucified .Another one has Jesus as a chimp. Another one has Jesus dressed in a women's bathing suit .
If Christians went into an uncontrollable killing rage ,should the artists be arrested ? How about if some artists drew cartoons of Mohammed ,and Muslims across the ummah went into a murderous rage. Should those artists get arrested ?
http://therandr.org/content/jesus-coming
Tom you know for the most part Muslims are uneducated rabble, so they are easily maniplated by fanatics. Muslims riot over depictions of Mudhutmad because they know they have been insulted. In The west Jesus long ago gave us a sanction to say whatever we wanted to about him, but mudhutmad did not give us the same dispensation. God does not need to be defended and nor do his true prophets
Hello clete:
Your bigotry is showing, and it AIN'T purty. Our wars over there LOOK like we ARE at war with Islam... Your posts confirm it.
excon
Lets be honest here. Its not really a war it has turned into a police action. You and I both know the difference. The large part to overcome is the inbrededness of ideoligy that has existed. It's a sad state of affairs. We saw the same thing in the soviet union with the oppression of its politics. The world is in flux. Information and choices are the key to our future.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, dad:
If you were refuting my post about clete's bigotry, and what it LOOKS like, I couldn't tell.
excon
No, not refuting your post to him. Just the wording that keeps being thrown around. When I think of war I think of a military that goes in and breaks things with a plan to win. If your being shot at you get to shoot back. But in this case our guys and gals have their hands tied and can't do what they have been trained to do. Im getting tired of that part. Its not a war. It's a police action that is taking place and Im not happy with what the idiots in Washington are trying to do to our respected military personel.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Ex Stating the facts is not bigotary. Bigotary is that dill in Florida who burnt the Quoran because he disagreed with it. I disagree with it too but I'm not holding a burning anytime soon. Seems to me Ex you should look closer to home for your bigots
Bigotry is that 'Jesus is coming' exhibit.
We should make it very clear to " Rev " Jones that he is a complete un-Christian scum bag . Not only has he incited these murderous protests ,but he has put our bravest in additional needless harms way. Just because I think he has the right to burn the Koran doesn't mean in any way I support his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Personally... burning a pile of paper has done more to prove Islam is the religion of hate and intolerance than every word that has tried to claim otherwise up to this point.
And nobody has proven that more effectively until now.
And it shows how many in Afghanistan aren't deserving of freedom. Wonder how many of them have burned bibles and/or Christians in the recent past?
The Koran is no more deserving of protection than the Bible or the American Flag. PERIOD. End of story.
Personally I'm not a huge fan of the guy. But he has a set of balls that nobody in the PC movement has.
If I was president... I would publicly announce the killing of Christians, Destruction of Churches or desecration of Bibles will be met with the very same reaction...
Respect is earned... not given out freely. When Tolerance is shown to Christians and Jews by Muslims universally in all Muslim majority nations... THEN, and only then would would I condemn that Reverend.
I'm NOT a bible thumper... but I'm sick and tired of Muslims through threats and violence demanding respect they do not show others.
What do you expect from people that allow this and want to bring it to the world.
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The real question here is why would Krazy Karzai bring attention to the Koran burning ?
This burning happened weeks ago. Thurs. Karzai made a speech echoing Excon's thought that Jones should be arrested .The mullahs picked up the theme during Friday's prayers ,and that is when the rioting commenced.
It all seems very staged to me ;nothing like this spontaneous outrage that it is being depicted as.
Jones is an idiot who was rightfully being ignored . But it is not he who is responsible for the deaths.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
As always, you ask the RIGHT questions. First off, I don't think Karzai is our friend, and I think we should sh*t can him now, rather than later...
It's becoming clear what Jones did. (By the way, I don't think he ought to be arrested anymore. What? You think you're the only ones whose leg jerks?) He palled up with Al Jazera, and the burning was broadcast LIVE in Afghanistan.
From the Afghani's standpoint, this was a MAJOR American church that CONFIRMED America's war on Islam.. From that perspective, it's a little more understandable. Yeah, they take their book pretty seriously. Do I think they're NUTS for doing so?? I DO... But, I think you guys are NUTS for taking YOUR book so seriously too.
excon
Perhaps ,but I would have to be mideval to go into an uncontrollable rage over the many provocations here against Christianity .
Any comic who needs a cheap laugh invokes nuns or Catholic priests. We pay our artists with tax dollars to mock Christianity in the most grotesque and disgusting ways.
Your attempt at moral equivalence doesn't work.
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
If you want EQUIVALENCE, let's get EQUIVALENT. Using IT's excellent logic, if YOUR country had been invaded, and YOUR country was occupied, and YOUR civilians are getting killed, and you are SOOO uneducated that you have no idea WHY they're there, other than your Imam telling you that America is at war with Islam.
Certainly, there's PLENTY of video evidence PROVING their point, from Abu Grahib, to rendition, to Gitmo, to the RECENT stryker killers, to torture, and finally, to this Jones turkey.
So, given that you're a good Christian man, I believe you WOULD rage against an enemy that DID to you, what we are doing to them.
excon
Put the blame where it belongs :to the leaders like Karzai,the clerics ,the politicians in the greater AfPakia who see Afghanistan as a pawn in the greater game of who dominates the Indus and Hindu Kush .Those are ones manipulating them. Certainly they know why the US is there .
Exactly, this was exactly as you said, staged. I said in the OP the Mullahs stirred this up... they know exactly what they're doing.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Well then... If we can't arrest Jones for his SPEECH, maybe we can arrest him for terrorism. Not only did he act in consort with terrorists, HE was the guy who DID the STAGING you refer to.
The last few posts appear to direct the blame to where it SHOULD be directed. I'll take that as a backhanded apology for wrongly blaming the religion.
excon
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