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Hello:
Yup, the new Republican leadership thinks jobs are their priority. They LISTENED to the public. They're going to make jobs number one...
But FIRST, they needed to repeal health care... Ok, they did that. Now, you'd think they'd work on jobs, wouldn't you? But, no. They had something else they had to do. So, for their SECOND official act, they passed a bill to limit abortion.
Surly, the THIRD attempt will be about jobs, no? Let's see. Somehow I doubt it.
excon
Do you think it's possible they don't know how to do it? In politics it is easier to dismantle than to build. Tell you what Ex, we have a large number of reconstruction jobs over here, and you know what? It won't cost your government anything
What bill would that be?
Hello Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Uhhhh, THIS one. I could have linked you to a left wing site, but I brought you Michelle Malkin instead.
excon
So when Obama took office the right gave him about a month before they called him a failure for not creating jobs. On February 1st are we allowed to call the right a failure for not creating millions of jobs?
Oh that one, To prohibit taxpayer funded abortions and to provide for conscience protections...
It was introduced, I didn't see where it was passed. Just holding Obama to his word that Obamacare wouldn't make taxpayers pay for abortions. That was in the works for some time and not very labor intensive I'm sure. It'll take a lot more effort to undo the damage Obama has done, he didn't get us in this mess overnight and they can't get us out overnight... unless we drill, drill, drill.
The President suckered the Stupak group to sign onto Obamacare .He used an executive order to prevent the use of taxpayer funding for abortions.Quote:
Just holding Obama to his word that Obamacare wouldn't make taxpayers pay for abortions.
This bill would just assure that what the President decree becomes part of the law ;not subject to his whims .
Since the President signed the executive order he should have no issue signing the law when passed .
Hello again, Steve and Tom:
I see that you AGREE about the importance of passing abortion legislation BEFORE you tackle jobs. I just wonder if the voters will.
What's next? Repeal of DADT??
excon
I do believe they can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. I certainly think it imperitive to prevent our tax payer money from being used in assisting in the slaughter of our children.
On the other hand.. I have doubts that the government can do anything to create jobs beyond repealing some of the sillier regulations and edicts that created road blocks to the creation of jobs in the 1st place .
If the President says tonight he's lifting the ban on drilling, I'll be the first to stand up and cheer. But he won't do that .
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Like the Dems before you, they too had imperatives BEFORE they tackled the hard stuff. You're starting just like them... I suspect it'll continue, and for the same reasons. Nobody wants to make the HARD choices...
They're holding Paul Ryan up as a target tonight. Everybody else refused to do it. You can't blame 'em. If he survives, the onslaught... But, he won't, and it'll be Republicans who do him in. Why? Because talk is cheap and NOBODY wants to make the hard choices.
excon
And no taxpayer money will be used to assist in their upbringing?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
There is plenty of taxpayer money supporting the upraising of children as you know.
But social services assistance is being cut left and right. Apparently, too much money is being used.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Show me the Federal cuts .Even if there were ,is it your opinion that it is OK to use taxpayer money to kill children ?
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
For being free market right wingers, you certainly don't understand the markets too much... Restricting taxpayer funded abortion, only restricts POOR people from getting abortions. But, POOR women want to have abortions just like rich women do, and try as you might to LIMIT their choices, they'll find somebody to do it anyway.. And, he just might be a butcher like the one on the other thread.
When abortions are universally available, there won't be any butchers... That's just so.
That's not to say I think abortion is good. I don't. But there are a LOT of things that are available in the free marketplace that I don't think are good. That doesn't mean I want to outlaw them. That's how a FREE society works..
excon
Well said sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Ex, as I said on the other OP ,I don't make a distinction between the Philly doc and the doc at any clinic in this country killing kids the lawful way. Both are murder in my book.
There is a lawfull way to kill kids in your country? I agree with you Tom abortion is murder, legalised murder, a complete disrespect of human rightsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again:
This discussion only reaffirms the notion that the Republicans have a great many imperatives to deal with before they tackle jobs.
Who wants to bet me that the THIRD bill entertained by the Republicans won't be about jobs either? They'll find something about guns, gays or god to occupy their time.
excon
[QUOTE=excon;2682874]Personally I think it's deplorable that there is a 'market' for abortions, but that's why I prefer to try and change hearts and minds more than the law. The mindset that not only rationalizes the killing of the most innocent among us for the sake of convenience, but fights tooth and nail to make it more available is a complete mystery to me. How can someone fight for an industry that has killed 52 million children? That my friend is sickening.Quote:
For being free market right wingers, you certainly don't understand the markets too much... Restricting taxpayer funded abortion, only restricts POOR people from getting abortions. But, POOR women want to have abortions just like rich women do, and try as you might to LIMIT their choices, they'll find somebody to do it anyway.. And, he just might be a butcher like the one on the other thread.
Hello again, fellows:
Left out of ALL of your discussions, is ANY mention of the mother.. But for the mother, your arguments make sense.. Because it was HER rights that were recognized by the Supreme Court, after all. So, you don't mention her by design. Her rights are an "inconvenient truth" you'd rather ignore.
excon
Personally, I believe the 'mother' has been deceived by the pro-abortionists. You keep forgetting how personal this is with me, ex. My only grandchild isn't because of abortion, and the mother regrets it daily. I have no sympathy for any 'mother' that can abort her child without regret.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I forget NOTHING. Abortion touches all of us.Me too. But, I doubt there's any to be found. I can't imagine that you think there is.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
excon
So we're pushing an industry that leads to regret in every instance. Sounds like an industry with no value.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Pushing it? I don't think that's what's happening. That "industry" has always been there, but not as visible. And stats say that most young single women tend to keep their babies.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Teen pregnancies are supposed to be down now, but if you read some of the boards on this site, you wouldn't believe that.
The real "industry" should be teaching kids that sex before marriage, or at least a stable relationship, is not a good idea biologically, morally, socially, psychologically, financially, etc. -- not a good idea at all.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Indeed, Steve. There are NO winners in abortion - only losers..
But, we're not "pushing an industry" any more than throwing out trash "pushes" the garbage industry, or outlawing pot "pushes" the prison industry... The thought that we PUSH abortion, rather than allow it, or that women get them with NO regrets is macabre. You still seem to harbor those notions... It's bizarre stuff.
I don't know where you where, but if you recall, before Roe, there were regrets... It wasn't all leave it to beaver, like you'd have us believe... In fact, that's why the law was changed - BECAUSE there were regrets.. Since there are only losers in abortion, we decided the law based on who loses the least. I don't know if we came down on the right side.
What I DO know, is that if I ignored HALF the issue, like you do, I could be as CERTAIN, and self righteous as you are.. But, I'm not.
excon
So why would anyone back a losing proposition when there can be winners?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I find it macabre that abortionists would "bend the rules" to provide abortions to minors without parental consent. I find it macabre that Planned Parenthood would sell gift certificates at Christmas good for any of their services including abortions.Quote:
The thought that we PUSH abortion, rather than allow it, or that women get them with NO regrets is macabre. You still seem to harbor those notions... It's bizarre stuff.
I thought it was about "choice" and a "right to privacy," not who loses the least. Here's a thought, if we're going to err, why not err on the side of life?Quote:
Since there are only losers in abortion, we decided the law based on who loses the least. I don't know if we came down on the right side.
You know better than to pretend I am unsympathetic or self-righteous, but I am CERTAIN it is a choice between life and death. Aren't you?Quote:
What I DO know, is that if I ignored HALF the issue, like you do, I could be as CERTAIN, and self righteous as you are.. But, I'm not.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Ignoring the losers again, won't help your argument with me. I don't know WHY you insist on doing that... Ok, yes I do. If you had empathy for the mother, your stance would go into the trash where it belongs... So, it's easier if you IGNORE her entirely...
Here's another thing that you ignore.. I ain't going to let you get away with it.
excon
That's priceless, Orwellian, but priceless.
My grandchild, dead, and he/she isn't a loser?
My daughter, my best friend's wife - and who knows how many other women in my life suffer in silence - after choosing abortion and my speaking out on their behalf means I have no empathy for the mother? Only in your world, ex. You can repeat that lie all you want and it will still just be a lie.
Hello again, Steve:
Ok, let's end the abortion thing. We ain't going to agree and we don't seem to be able to read each others posts properly...
Let's go back to the incompetent right wing majority in the House.
excon
Or the guy looking for his "Sputnik moment?"
Hello again:Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Nahhh. It's not. Number FOUR is another right wing imperative about campaign finance reform.
Jobs'll just have to wait...
excon
Actually, number ONE was "repeal and replace," not repeal.
You're just trying to control the message, which you credited as the reason they won so handily.Quote:
By a vote of 253 to 175, the GOP directed key House committees to report on ways to lower health care premiums, allow patients to keep their current health plans, increase access to coverage for those with pre-existing conditions, and decrease the price of medical liability lawsuits.
Meanwhile, Democrats' number one priority was filibuster reform, which they failed to accomplish during their '22-day "first day."'
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Well, that's what your right wing rag says... I say it was jobs. Boehner does too... Nonetheless, even if I accept what it said, I'm still waiting for the "replace" part. But, that ain't happening, is it??
excon
It takes time to undo the damage Obamacare inflicted. We're still learning what was in the monstrosity, you think they can fix it overnight?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I misunderstood... I thought repealing it, got RID of it altogether. That way, they don't have to FIX anything. They just have to "replace" it with THEIR ideas from scratch. They HAVE had a year or so to think about it, no?
I'm waiting...
excon
I say they begin with the 1st part of repeal and replace.
If anyone thinks the Republicans have not offered alternatives ,they haven't been listening . Congressman Ryan made a number of proposals that more or less sums up the Republican position on health care reform and other issues .
I'll post it again because evidently it hasn't been read .
A Roadmap for America's Future | The Budget Committee Republicans
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Proposals?? PROPOSALS?? Talk is cheap. Where's the BILL?
excon
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Let's cut to the chase.. There isn't going to BE a bill, is there? Oh, the Republicans will come up SOME bill or other slight of hand. But, at the very least, Ryans proposal is to replace Medicare with a voucher system. Whether that's a GOOD idea or not, ISN'T the issue. The issue is WHO will put their political career on the line to actually attempt to write a bill like that? Because it will NEVER be approved by the electorate, and the congressman who tries it, will be toast.
So, the Republicans will DO exactly what the Democrats did - fiddle, while Rome burns.
Buy gold.
excon
The Republicans have bills on the table and have had them on the table since 2009 .
http://rules-republicans.house.gov/M...tive3962_9.pdf
And of course I would not have posted Ryan's plan if it wasn't being introduced as legislation
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