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  • Oct 19, 2008, 07:08 AM
    excon
    Obama Lovefest at Meet The Press
    Hello:

    Did you see that left wing Colin Powell endorse Obama?? Didn't he pal around with terrorists too?

    What's that you say? Colin Powell is a Republican? He served both Bush presidents? He was Secretary of State?? He's a GENERAL?? He FOUGHT terrorists?? Do you mean to tell me that Colin Powell is NOT a liberal left winger??

    OMG, this is BIG!

    In all seriousness, Powell is a revered being - at least to me he is.

    excon
  • Oct 20, 2008, 04:50 AM
    tomder55
    Go Google Powell +warmonger and see how many hits you get from Democrat cites. Here's an example of what they thought of him before he became their favorite Republican.
    disinformation | colin powell: don't ask about my lai, don't tell about iran-contra


    While Powell was serving honorably in Vietnam and his friend John McCain was being beaten in a Hanoi cell . Obama ally William Ayes was bombing the Pentagon and attempting to kill soldiers at Fort Dix New Jersey.

    Colin Powell is part of “Strategic Limited Partner” at Kleiner Perkins Caulfield and Byers, one of the best performing venture capital firms in history, having sponsored Google, and Apple, among others. Kleiner has made huge pushes into 'clean technology' over the past 3-4 years. They have even raised an all clean-tech fund. Al Gore is also a special partner. An Obama victory would put Kleiner in a strong commercial position.
    http://www.kpcb.com/team/index.php?Colin%20Powell

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1224...googlenews_wsj

    KPCB has publicized its plan to put 50,000 electric cars on U.S. roads by late next year The venture will be called Think North America and be based in Menlo Park, California.
    http://www.think.no/think/Press-Pict...-company-Think
    Obama has promised to provide tax cuts for people purchasing new electric cars. This would encourage people to purchase these cars. Also Obama has promised to cut to zero capitol gains tax made by companies in this kind of business for two years. Obama has offered other tax cuts for new start up companies like this one.



    I like the way the MSM says this is devastating to McCain but they brushed off an ex Democrat VP candidate in Leiberman backing McCain .
  • Oct 20, 2008, 05:34 AM
    tomder55

    Here are some endorsements that did not make it onto the NBC Obama-lovefest :

    Former Sec. States... Henry Kissinger, retired Gen. Alexander Haig, Lawrence Eagleburger and George Shultz all said they would support McCain.


    McCain has been endorsed by over 100 generals and admirals from the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps among them:

    General H. Norman Schwarzkopf, USA (Ret.) - former Commander-in-Chief, Central Command
    Admiral Leighton W. Smith, Jr. USN (Ret.) - former Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Naval Forces, Europe
    Lieutenant General John B. Conaway, USAF (Ret.) - former Chief of the National Guard Bureau
    General James B. Davis, USAF (Ret.) - former Chief of Staff, Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers, Europe (NATO)
    Colonel George "Bud" Day, USAF (Ret.) - Medal of Honor recipient
    Rear Admiral Jeremiah Denton, USN (Ret.) - Navy Cross recipient
    Admiral S. Robert Foley, USN (Ret.) - former Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet
    Admiral Ronald J. Hays, USN (Ret.) - former Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command
    Admiral James L. Holloway III, USN (Ret.) - former Chief of Naval Operations
    Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.) - former Director of the NSA
    Admiral Jerome L. Johnson, USN (Ret.) - former Vice Chief of Naval Operations
    General P.X. Kelley, USMC (Ret.) - former Commandant of the Marine Corps
    Admiral Robert J. "Barney" Kelly, USN (Ret.) - former Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet
    Admiral Frank Kelso, USN (Ret.) - former Chief of Naval Operations
    Admiral George "Gus" Kinnear, USN (Ret.) - former Commander of Air Force, Atlantic Fleet
    Admiral Charles R. "Chuck" Larson, USN (Ret.) - former Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command
    Admiral Joseph Lopez, USN (Ret.) - former Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Naval Forces, Europe
    Captain Jim Lovell, USN (Ret.) - former NASA astronaut, commander of Apollo 13
    Admiral James "Ace" Lyons, USN (Ret.) - former Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet
    Admiral Paul David Miller, USN (Ret.) - former Commander-in-Chief, Atlantic Fleet
    Rear Admiral Benjamin F. Montoya, USN (Ret.) - former Chief of Naval Civil Engineer Corps
    General Carl E. Mundy, Jr. USMC (Ret.) - former Commandant of the Marine Corps
    Vice Admiral John R. Ryan, USN (Ret.) - former Superintendent of the Naval Academy
    Colonel Leo K. Thorsness, USAF (Ret.) - Medal of Honor recipient
    Lieutenant General James A. Williams, USA (Ret.) - former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency
    Admiral Ronald J. Zlatoper, USN (Ret.) - former Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet
  • Oct 20, 2008, 05:45 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Here are some endorsements that did not make it onto the NBC Obama-lovefest

    Hello tom:

    Come on, Dude. Get a grip. If ANY of those people had ANY of the gravitas the Powell has, they would have been on Meet the Press too...

    excon
  • Oct 20, 2008, 06:00 AM
    tomder55
    Everyone who is anyone who has endorsed Obama has gotten air time at NBC or it's looney cable sidekick station.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 06:17 AM
    NeedKarma
    Ah yes, the left wing media conspiracy. LOL!
  • Oct 20, 2008, 06:28 AM
    Merris
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post

    While Powell was serving honorably in Vietnam and his friend John McCain was being beaten in a Hanoi cell . Obama ally William Ayes was bombing the Pentagon and attempting to kill soldiers at Fort Dix New Jersey.

    Obama ally? They worked on a committee together with other republicans, democrats and independent politicians. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

    You know... People just love bringing up that Vietnam war protester Ayers.. Hmmm... Looks like YOU can't vote for either candidate if you are so concerned with a person's friendships with people who are or have been criminals. Do you just want to discount the fact that McCain's good buddy is J. Gordon Liddy? the guy that helped plan the Watergate break-in that got Nixon impeached? What about all the family vacations he took with Charles Keating the same man who was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion? How do you pick?

    I'm not going to vote for McCain because he is no different than George Bush with his isolationist views and his anti-environmental stance and his LUDICROUS choice of VP Sarah Palin whose fakeness is only surpassed by McCain's own stepford-esque wife who looks like batteries may pop out of her back at any moment along with her hidden stash of valium. You have got to be absolutely crazy to vote for McCain even if only for his VP choice, which, not surprisingly, is also the way Powell feels. I didn't feel very much anxiety about the election or the possibility of McCain winning until I've gotten to know that divisive Alaskan moron from hell. Screw taxes... do you want a far right wing religious nut with her college diploma in journalism hanging next to the Miss Alaska beauty pageant trophy on her mantel guiding us through a war in Iran? Do you honestly?? The woman can't speak in a complete sentence unless it's from her memorized stumping material. Is there only one word to describe this scenario? You Betcha! That word is: HORRIFYING.

    Obama on the other hand is inspiring. He is an absolute inspiration to me, our nation, and millions of at-risk students. His ideas of community work in exchange for college tuition for our young people is what I want to hear from a candidate. I think it's wise to help each other for the strength of the nation but from everything Obama has said he isn't for just throwing money at the problem. No one appreciates a free handout. Education is so important right now because our country needs higher skilled workers if we want to compete with China and India. You teach a man to fish, he can fish for life. Or I guess you can not teach him and not give him anything and just let him starve. That option sound good to you?
  • Oct 20, 2008, 06:36 AM
    tomder55
    McCain is isolationist ? Lol

    Let's see Liddy v. McCain

    Liddy former FBI agent broke into DNC Hqs .was convicted served his time.

    Ayers domestic admitted terrorist .Bombed the Pentagon and other places .Was part of the group of Weather Underground terrorist who were constructing a bomb with nails to plant at a Fort Dix party with the intent to kill the soldiers and their dates .

    Liddy ,a friend of McCain who has had no impact on his political career.

    Ayers ; political patron of Obama since the beginning of his Chicago days . Served on boards together like the Woods Foundation and was Obama's boss at Annenberg Project . Hosted Obama's political coming out party in his home.
    Not quite the casual acquaintance Obama says in his lies.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 07:14 AM
    Merris
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Hosted Obama's political coming out party in his home.
    Not quite the casual acquaintance Obama says in his lies.


    This is a lie.

    From USA today fact check after the third debate...

    McCain on Obama's ties to '60s radical Bill Ayers: "You launched your political campaign in Mr. Ayers' living room." Ayers was one of many who sponsored coffees for Obama in 1995 when he declared for the Illinois Senate. The official campaign launch occurred at the Hyde Park Ramada. Their relationship barely goes beyond serving together on an education foundation board in Chicago.

    Edited to add: You can laugh but the republicans are doing nothing for our relationship with countries abroad and many of our international ties have become quite cold. John McCain will only widen the gulf which threatens the security of our country.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 07:27 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    I don't know... Our former Republican Secretary of State, a five star general, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was TAKEN IN by terrorists??

    Bwa, ha ha ha ha. That, my friend, is one of the silliest things you righty's have EVER said.

    There's only ONE side who's been taken in here, and it AIN'T the side that's going to obliterate the other side.

    excon
  • Oct 20, 2008, 07:44 AM
    tomder55

    Powell's reasoning :

    1. The economy . McCain unsure but does not mention that Obama has been pretty much absent from the solutions end of the debate. All he does is cry about deregulation. He took no opinion on the AIG bailout or the rescue plan .He sat on the sidelines ;phoned it in and voted with the majority . He says he will tax more and create free trade barriers .

    From Powell's 1996 Republican convention speech:

    We Republicans believe that the good jobs needed to sustain families come from a faster-growing economy where the free enterprise system is unleashed to create wealth -- wealth which produces more good jobs.
    In this richest nation on earth, we still have not solved the problems of poverty, of hunger, of poor health care, of inadequate housing, all of which tear away at the roots of strong families. And for which government assistance is a poor substitute for good jobs. So that's why we are the pro-growth party.
    We are the party committed to lessening the burden of taxes, cutting government regulations and reducing government spending, all for the purpose of generating the higher economic growth that will bring better jobs, wages and living standards to all our people. ......


    I have been asked many times why I became a Republican. I became a Republican because like you, I believe our party best represents the principles of freedom, opportunity, and limited government upon which our nation was founded.

    I became a Republican because I believe the policies of our party will lead to greater economic growth which is the only real solution to the problems of poverty that keep too many Americans from sharing in the wealth of this nation.

    I became a Republican because I believe, like you that the federal government has become too large and too intrusive in our lives. We can no longer afford solutions to our problems that result in more entitlements, higher taxes to pay for them, more bureaucracy to run them and fewer results to show for it.


    2. Palin He says the ususal stuff about inexperience while ignoring Obama's inexperience.It is impossible to comment on the experience of Sarah Palin without looking at the experience of Barak Obama. When one looks, it is also impossible not to see the total lack of executive experience in the resume of Barak Obama. In the selection of VP it matters but not for POTUS I guess.

    3. Powell says he doesn't want any more conservatives on SCOTUS. Fine I can buy that a liberal would object to more conservatives on the court .What he is saying in effect is that he wants a liberal supermajority in SCOTUS.

    The rest of his comments about the way McCain has conducted the campaign is disjointed . The McCain camp has not promoted the notion that Obama is Muslim as Powell claims . McCain in fact took the mike away from a women who claimed it as his rally.

    Honestly if all the smears (true or not )of Obama can be pinned to the McCain campaign then Obama is guilty of the same. Charging one side over the other of getting in the mud is silly .Both have been willing participants .

    His talk about Obama's "transformative campaign " is code speak itself. .
  • Oct 20, 2008, 07:45 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    I don't know... Our former Republican Secretary of State, a five star general, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was TAKEN IN by terrorists??
    I never said that .
  • Oct 20, 2008, 08:15 AM
    tomder55

    Merris you are playing games with words . You talk about the "official launch " and I am talking about a well researched and verified event in Ayers home ;a " meet and greet "fund raiser that was attended by among others Ayers ;Obama ,and Alice Palmer who was introducing her heir apparent to her Senate seat. ( she later lost her contest against Jesse Jackson Jr for US Congress and decided to instead try to get her seat back . However Obama refused to step away for her .He instead challenged her petitions and got her thrown off the ballot).
  • Oct 20, 2008, 08:20 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Hmmm. Just what ARE you saying when you accuse Obama of palling around with terrorists? Just what ARE you insuating when you ask the question "who is Barack Obama?". Just WHAT message are you trying to get across when you mention his middle name?

    I don't know about you, but I get the message. It's actually clear as a bell.

    But, it's interesting... The message is delivered in right wing code. The righty's get the message, but are oblivious to the code. The lefties, of course, get the code, AND the message. How do you guys miss it?

    excon
  • Oct 20, 2008, 08:43 AM
    tomder55

    When talk show host Bill Cunningham used Obama's middle name when introducing McCain ,McCain gave him a verbal smack down and apologized immediately to Obama. As I mentioned ;when a women talked about Obama being Muslim McCain took the mike from her.

    So tell me ;how is McCain fostering that ?

    Ayers is an unrepentant domestic terrorist (as his NY Slimes 2001 interview and his book more than confirms. ) . That makes his alliance with Obama a legitimate campaign issue . If McCain was allied with an abortion clinic bomber you know damn well it would be... and should be.

    Too bad if Powell doesn't approve. I frankly question why he would vote for someone who allies themselves with someone who attempted to kill Powell's fellow soldiers .
  • Oct 20, 2008, 09:04 AM
    Merris
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Merris you are playing games with words . You talk about the "official launch " and I am talking about a well researched and verified event in Ayers home ;a " meet and greet "fund raiser that was attended by among others Ayers ;Obama ,and Alice Palmer who was introducing her heir apparent to her Senate seat. ( she later lost her contest against Jesse Jackson Jr for US Congress and decided to instead try to get her seat back . However Obama refused to step away for her .He instead challenged her petitions and got her thrown off of the ballot).

    My point is that it doesn't matter how you are wording it. McCain is wording it this way in the debates, Palin is inciting rage and fear at the rallies and YOU, Tom, are perpetuating this stupidity and making something out of it that it isn't.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 10:11 AM
    speechlesstx
    The Ayers/Obama association is still unveiling by the way. Ayers mentioned his neighbor, "writer Barack Obama" in his book A Kind and Just Parent while his "neighbor" reviewed Ayers' book. The more we hear the cozier they appear.

    http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/m...ighlighted.png

    http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/m...1abamayers.jpg

    And I like how Ayers mentions their other neighbor Farrakhan's "Fruit of Islam" security force keeping things safe and tidy for them all.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 10:13 AM
    NeedKarma
    Nothing wrong there. What are you trying to make of it?
    Is this the final issue that will save the Republican campaign?
  • Oct 20, 2008, 10:22 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Nothing wrong there. What are you trying to make of it?
    Is this the final issue that will save the Republican campaign?

    After all these years of hearing "Bush lied" one would think you'd get it.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 10:24 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Ayers mentioned his neighbor, "writer Barack Obama" in his book

    Let's also talk about Obama's neighbors, Muhammad Ali and Gwendolyn Brooks. How have they influenced Obama? Didn't Ali used to be Christian and became Muslim? Didn't Brooks write R-rated poetry? I'll bet they invited Obama to coffee at their homes too.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 10:27 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Merris View Post
    This is a lie.

    From USA today fact check after the third debate...

    From the wayback machine via Patterico's Pontifications via Politico:

    Quote:

    Get to know Barack Obama
    When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the livingroom of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. They were launching him--introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 10:29 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post

    When I first saw him and heard him, I immediately thought of him as the best thing since sliced bread. And he hasn't disappointed.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 11:23 AM
    Merris
    This thread has gotten way off topic. ;) Just like McCain's campaign, not surprisingly. The more republicans harp about a perceived negative it shows that they are out of touch with the needs of the people and what really matters... finding solutions to the problems at hand. McCain doesn't have any solutions, thus he focuses on Ayers. What's funny is that I can bet none of the republicans harping about Ayer's anti-Vietnam activities actually served in Veitnam. Colin Powell... did. He doesn't seem to have a problem with Ayers... who for all intents and purposes is a reformed person and accepted in the Chicago community of educators as such and has worked with MANY politicians of all backgrounds. So Liddy can reform... but Ayers can't. Is that what you are implying?

    Pretty low tactics, there.

    And since the Woods fund was mentioned... let's just read their mission statement...

    The fund describes itself as "a grantmaking foundation whose goal is to increase opportunities for less advantaged people and communities in the metropolitan area, including the opportunity to shape decisions affecting them. The foundation works primarily as a funding partner with nonprofit organizations. Woods supports nonprofits in their important roles of engaging people in civic life, addressing the causes of poverty and other challenges facing the region, promoting more effective public policies, reducing racism and other barriers to equal opportunity, and building a sense of community and common ground."

    This is the foundation where both Obama and Ayers served on the same board. Wow... this sounds like a... scary den of terrorism! LOL.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 11:48 AM
    ZoeMarie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Merris View Post
    This thread has gotten way off topic. ;) Just like McCain's campaign, not surprisingly. The more republicans harp about a perceived negative it shows that they are out of touch with the needs of the people and what really matters... finding solutions to the problems at hand. McCain doesn't have any solutions, thus he focuses on Ayers. What's funny is that I can bet none of the republicans harping about Ayer's anti-Vietnam activities actually served in Veitnam. Colin Powell... did. He doesn't seem to have a problem with Ayers... who for all intents and purposes is a reformed person and accepted in the Chicago community of educators as such and has worked with MANY politicians of all backgrounds. So Liddy can reform... but Ayers can't. Is that what you are implying?

    Pretty low tactics, there.

    And since the Woods fund was mentioned... let's just read their mission statement...

    The fund describes itself as "a grantmaking foundation whose goal is to increase opportunities for less advantaged people and communities in the metropolitan area, including the opportunity to shape decisions affecting them. The foundation works primarily as a funding partner with nonprofit organizations. Woods supports nonprofits in their important roles of engaging people in civic life, addressing the causes of poverty and other challenges facing the region, promoting more effective public policies, reducing racism and other barriers to equal opportunity, and building a sense of community and common ground."

    This is the foundation where both Obama and Ayers served on the same board. Wow... this sounds like a.... scary den of terrorism! LOL.

    I couldn't agree with everything you've been saying throughout this thread more.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 11:49 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Merris View Post
    This thread has gotten way off topic. ;) Just like McCain's campaign, not surprisingly. The more republicans harp about a perceived negative it shows that they are out of touch with the needs of the people and what really matters... finding solutions to the problems at hand. McCain doesn't have any solutions, thus he focuses on Ayers.

    I didn't change the subject, nor did I claim that the Obama launched his political career in Ayers' home was refuted... I believe you made that claim. Well, USA Today's fact checker is wrong. It does matter.

    Quote:

    What's funny is that I can bet none of the republicans harping about Ayer's anti-Vietnam activities actually served in Veitnam. Colin Powell... did. He doesn't seem to have a problem with Ayers... who for all intents and purposes is a reformed person and accepted in the Chicago community of educators as such and has worked with MANY politicians of all backgrounds. So Liddy can reform... but Ayers can't. Is that what you are implying?
    As tom and I have both pointed out Liddy served his time. As I pointed out elsewhere, Liddy's sentence was commuted by Jimmy Carter, he was accepted into the Hollywood club even appearing in an Al Franken comedy. It's just like Powell, to the left they're OK as long is they're serving their purpose. Ayers, as has been repeatedly noted here, is UNREPENTANT, he wishes he would have bombed more and won't say that he wouldn't do it again. Why can't Obama bring himself to tell us the truth about his relationship and distance himself from an UNREPENTANT terrorist? Reform demands repentance. McCain was forthcoming about his relationship with Liddy, why can't Obama do the same?

    Quote:

    This is the foundation where both Obama and Ayers served on the same board. Wow... this sounds like a... scary den of terrorism! LOL.
    It's well known that Ayers wants our kids to taught in public schools to be a bunch of radicals for their cause. I think they should learn reading, writing, math, science and how to think for themselves.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 12:03 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    It's well known that Ayers wants our kids to taught in public schools to be a bunch of radicals for their cause. I think they should learn reading, writing, math, science and how to think for themselves.

    You must not have been alive during the Viet Nam years. The anger against the government was palpable.

    It is not "well known" that Ayers wants students to be radicals. Who says this? Have you ever read any of his books since he has been in education?
  • Oct 20, 2008, 12:55 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    You must not have been alive during the Viet Nam years. The anger against the government was palpable.

    I was born in 1960, the war was on the evening news every night, but as an elementary school student I was more into riding bikes and playing football with my friends. Does palpable anger against our government justify terrorism? If that’s the case, what should all these alleged radical McCain supporters do with their palpable anger?

    Quote:

    It is not "well known" that Ayers wants students to be radicals. Who says this? Have you ever read any of his books since he has been in education?
    Those who excuse him as some sort of education reformer deny it but it is well know to anyone that’s paid attention or looked deeper into Ayers than the MSM has this year.

    Quote:

    Calling Bill Ayers a school reformer is a bit like calling Joseph Stalin an agricultural reformer. (If you find the metaphor strained, consider that Walter Duranty, the infamous New York Times reporter covering the Soviet Union in the 1930s, did, in fact, depict Stalin as a great land reformer who created happy, productive collective farms.) For instance, at a November 2006 education forum in Caracas, Venezuela, with President Hugo Chávez at his side, Ayers proclaimed his support for “the profound educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chávez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution. . . . I look forward to seeing how you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.” Ayers concluded his speech by declaring that “Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation,” and then, as in days of old, raised his fist and chanted: “Viva Presidente Chávez! Viva la Revolucion Bolivariana! Hasta la Victoria Siempre!”

    As I have shown in previous articles in City Journal, Ayers’s school reform agenda focuses almost exclusively on the idea of teaching for “social justice” in the classroom. This has nothing to do with the social-justice ideals of the Sermon on the Mount or Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech. Rather, Ayers and his education school comrades are explicit about the need to indoctrinate public school children with the belief that America is a racist, militarist country and that the capitalist system is inherently unfair and oppressive. As a leader of this growing “reform” movement, Ayers was recently elected vice president for curriculum of the American Education Research Association, the nation’s largest organization of ed school professors and researchers
    The Ed Schools’ Latest—and Worst—Humbug
    Obama’s Real Bill Ayers Problem
  • Oct 20, 2008, 01:40 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    palpable anger?

    Some of the guys I knew (friends, classmates, relatives) ran away into hiding, some found a way to become 4F, some managed to get into college or get some girl pregnant for an education or fatherhood deferment, but some got drafted. Few wanted to fight that "conflict" (war had never been declared). There was no honor in it, and returning soldiers were disrespected by the American people. The Weathermen were trying to make a point--"Stop this war!" Three of their own died from their bombing, and one policeman died. What would you have done had you had a low draft number?

    Quote:

    Those who excuse him as some sort of education reformer deny it but it is well know to anyone that's paid attention or looked deeper into Ayers than the MSM has this year.
    Yup. I figured you hadn't read any of his books on education.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 01:48 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Some of the guys I knew (friends, classmates, relatives) ran away into hiding, some found a way to become 4F, some managed to get into college or get some girl pregnant for an education or fatherhood deferment, but some got drafted. Few wanted to fight that "conflict" (war had never been declared). There was no honor in it, and returning soldiers were disrespected by the American people. The Weathermen were trying to make a point--"Stop this war!" Three of their own died from their bombing, and one policeman died. What would you have done had you had a low draft number?

    As to your last first, I would have served my country. My question is still how does any of the rest of it justify terrorism?

    Quote:

    Yup. I figured you hadn't read any of his books on education.
    And that means I don't know enough about the man and his philosophy to know I don't want our education system following his agenda?
  • Oct 20, 2008, 01:53 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    As to your last first, I would have served my country. My question is still how does any of the rest of it justify terrorism?

    It doesn't, but this country was in bad shape, and each of us took whatever road we could to survive and to try to make it better.

    Quote:

    And that means I don't know enough about the man and his philosophy to know I don't want our education system following his agenda?
    Yes, you don't know who he is and what his philosophy is as an educator.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 02:14 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    It doesn't, but this country was in bad shape, and each of us took whatever road we could to survive and to try to make it better.

    Quite frankly, my part of the country was just fine and I find it ludicrous to link Ayers' terrorism to surviving and trying to make the country "better."
    Quote:

    Yes, you don't know who he is and what his philosophy is as an educator.
    I've read enough Wondergirl, enough of his own words to know this is not a man I want teaching the teachers that teach our children. Why are you people defending this guy? Do you admire terrorists? As Ayers does, do you admire Chavez, Farrakhan, Che Guevara, Castro?
  • Oct 20, 2008, 02:40 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Quite frankly, my part of the country was just fine

    Sorry, but there was no part of the country that was "just fine."

    Quote:

    surviving and trying to make the country "better."
    The Weathermen wanted to get everyone's attention and they did. The people in charge finally noticed.
    Quote:

    I've read enough Wondergirl, enough of his own words to know this is not a man I want teaching the teachers that teach our children. Why are you people defending this guy? Do you admire terrorists? As Ayers does, do you admire Chavez, Farrakhan, Che Guevara, Castro?
    You've read only what you've been spoonfed--carefully selected prose. And, by the way, I am a Republican who is fed up big-time.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 02:59 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Sorry, but there was no part of the country that was "just fine."

    There isn't much more that I hate than people pretending to know my experience. Were you in Amarillo, TX from 1960 to 1975? It sure seemed pretty darn normal to me.

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    The Weathermen wanted to get everyone's attention and they did. The people in charge finally noticed.
    Ya think? When people go around bombing things people take notice. I think there's a much better way don't you?

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    You've read only what you've been spoonfed--carefully selected prose. And, by the way, I am a Republican who is fed up big-time.
    LOL, again, I love it when people tell me what I know. Is being a fed up Republican another excuse to defend terrorists?

    By the way, I find it interesting after watching the "Obama lovefest" here that I would be told I'm being "spoonfed." LOL
  • Oct 20, 2008, 04:15 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    There isn't much more that I hate than people pretending to know my experience. Were you in Amarillo, TX from 1960 to 1975? It sure seemed pretty darn normal to me.

    Remind me how old you were back then.

    I know a librarian in Fairview. I'll give him a call to find out if he rememebers how things were in that area.
  • Oct 20, 2008, 04:58 PM
    speechlesstx
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    Remind me how old you were back then.

    Depends on the year. But so what, I have an excellent memory... plus I was actually there.

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    I know a librarian in Fairview. I'll give him a call to find out if he rememebers how things were in that area.
    Uh, Which Fairview, TX?
  • Oct 20, 2008, 06:06 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Depends on the year. But so what, I have an excellent memory... plus I was actually there.

    You were riding your bike and eating Mom's chocolate chip cookies and mostly oblivious, I suspect.
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    Yup, that's the one -- right down the road from you. Or weren't you there in 1966?
  • Oct 20, 2008, 06:21 PM
    Merris
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    As tom and I have both pointed out Liddy served his time. As I pointed out elsewhere, Liddy's sentence was commuted by Jimmy Carter, he was accepted into the Hollywood club even appearing in an Al Franken comedy.

    It's well known that Ayers wants our kids to taught in public schools to be a bunch of radicals for their cause. I think they should learn reading, writing, math, science and how to think for themselves.

    You people kill me. So John McCain's friends consist of "reformed" Nazi sympathizers, convicted criminals and a swindler (Keating) who stole almost 4 BILLION DOLLARS from people's savings. But this doesn't matter at all. Liddy's okay, because John McCain says it and Hollywood welcomed him so it must be so, right?

    You know... a vote for McCain in the eyes of the world is a vote for America's decline. I don't know if the people here realize this. America is sinking right now. The world is waiting to see if we choose progress and something different than the status quo. This election is historic and I hate to tell you but you are on the wrong side of the fight, my friend.
  • Oct 21, 2008, 04:59 AM
    speechlesstx
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    You were riding your bike and eating Mom's chocolate chip cookies and mostly oblivious, I suspect.

    Let's see, it was on the evening news every night, I had relatives and friend's relatives serving and was getting closer to draft age while the war was still raging so yeah, I was fully aware of the war. Still, life was pretty normal around here.

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    Yup, that's the one -- right down the road from you. Or weren't you there in 1966?
    Uh, the map listed 10 different locations for Fairview, TX. The one right down the road from me is in the middle of nowhere 12 miles from the nearest highway and had population of 75 in the last census. I doubt seriously things were too out of control among a handful of farmers and ranchers.
  • Oct 21, 2008, 05:11 AM
    speechlesstx
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    You people kill me. So John McCain's friends consist of "reformed" Nazi sympathizers, convicted criminals and a swindler (Keating) who stole almost 4 BILLION DOLLARS from people's savings. But this doesn't matter at all. Liddy's okay, because John McCain says it and Hollywood welcomed him so it must be so, right?

    This on McCain has all been sufficiently dealt with elsewhere on this board, and you still can't see the difference. McCain has acknowledged his lapses, dealt with Liddy being a friend and was completely exonerated in Keating. Obama does no wrong, admits nothing and moves the goal post as he sees fit. McCain has been thoroughly scrutinized in the media and Obama gets a pass. The public deserves such a thorough scrutiny of Obama.

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    You know... a vote for McCain in the eyes of the world is a vote for America's decline. I don't know if the people here realize this. America is sinking right now. The world is waiting to see if we choose progress and something different than the status quo. This election is historic and I hate to tell you but you are on the wrong side of the fight, my friend.
    You know, I think being on the right side of the fight is voting for my country's and my best best interest, I don't care what the rest of world thinks... they can have their own elections.
  • Oct 21, 2008, 05:32 AM
    Merris
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    You know, I think being on the right side of the fight is voting for my country's and my best best interest, I don't care what the rest of world thinks...they can have their own elections.

    Like I said before. Isolationist.

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