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Obama to women ."get over it "

This is what Obama said when he met with the Congressional Black Caucus and was confronted by Congresswomen who were Hillary supporters.

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In what Representative Diane Watson, (D-CA.) found "dismissive" and "off putting" Barack Obama responded to that by agreeing that healing was needed and saying he hoped the members at the meeting would help with that healing and he went on to say, "However, I need to make a decision in the next few months as to how I manage that since I'm running against John McCain, which takes a lot of time. If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it."

Watson, who is also a longtime Clinton supporter did not appreciate the term "get over it" and told Obama, "Don't use that terminology."

ABC News: Obama-Clinton Sparks Fly at Key Meeting

The number of anit-Obama websites created by former Clinonistas has grown to 123 at "Just Say NO Deal"
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"we are a coalition of millions with one thing in common: NObama".

Many of these sites are actively campaigning against Barack Obama as well as campaigning for John McCain, donating money to the McCain campaign .

Does Obama need Evita's supporters to win in November ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Does Obama need Evita's supporters to win in November ?

No. Just common sense instead of this attitude that remind me of the aggression and intolerance that is so clearly displayed during election time in dark Africa, and to which almost every citizen shakes his or her head and say : "they still need to learn a lot there".

Well, so must be the conclusion for any outsider of the US election circus : "they still need to learn a lot there" !

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Does Obama need Evita's supporters to win in November ?

Yes, he needs them badly. Obama, in my view, has scuttled his own ship, which is what Democrats must do to win the far left vote, especially the caucuses. It will be an interesting election in that Obama needs Evita's, and McCain must figure out a way to energize the right wing. My guess is that when McCain, and the voters, see the magnitude of the challenge posed by the MSM and the far left, McCain and the general public will coalesce. This may be happening now in energy policy as well as foreign policy. Obama will offer his 'middle class tax cuts', but can he win over the moderates with the massive payoffs to left wing interest groups? McCain, therefore has at least three arrows in his quiver: budgetary control, foreign policy, and energy policy. Obama can't afford to loose Evita supporters, but can he keep his mouth shut 'til November? Naaa.

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Originally Posted by George_1950

Yes, he needs them badly. Obama, in my view, has scuttled his own ship, which is what Democrats must do to win the far left vote, especially the caucuses. It will be an interesting election in that Obama needs Evita's, and McCain must figure out a way to energize the right wing. My guess is that when McCain, and the voters, see the magnitude of the challenge posed by the MSM and the far left, McCain and the general public will coalesce. This may be happening now in energy policy as well as foreign policy. Obama will offer his 'middle class tax cuts', but can he win over the moderates with the massive payoffs to left wing interest groups? McCain, therefore has at least three arrows in his quiver: budgetary control, foreign policy, and energy policy. Obama can't afford to loose Evita supporters, but can he keep his mouth shut 'til November? Naaa.

And of course, he needs to appoint Hillary as his V.P. a.s.a.p. in order to keep at least some of her supporters! Should he default in doing that, he can surely kiss his presidential aspirations good-bye. He should seriously be thinking about doing that right now as each day that passes is one more day Hillary's supporters have to think that he does not seriously support her for his V.P. and will surely be turned off in November so that many will not even go to vote. They will either write-in Hillary on the ballot, some will end up voting for McCain (either way, V.P. appointment or not), or simply just stay home.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

This is what Obama said when he met with the Congressional Black Caucus and was confronted by Congresswomen who were Hillary supporters.

ABC News: Obama-Clinton Sparks Fly at Key Meeting

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Many of these sites are actively campaigning against Barack Obama as well as campaigning for John McCain, donating money to the McCain campaign .

Does Obama need Evita's supporters to win in November ?

And since you mentioned the Black Caucus, you might be interested in seeing the latest poll concerning matters dealing with race relations that voters were asked and are thinking about.

ABC News: Racial Views Among Whites Predict Vote

He was speaking in terms a small category of women (and men), not as Tom dreamt "Obama to women get over it." After repeatedly telling Gore supporters (that included a large contingent of women) to get over it after the 2000 election, the Republicans stand to look as hypocrtical as ever. Meanwhile Obama's lead is increasing. :)

RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 National Head-to-Head Polls

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excon

I hope, and wouldn't be surprised, to see Obama lead up to election day, unless he suffers a meltdown of some kind, which could happen. Two points: The "Bradley Effect" was much discussed during the Democrat primaries (Bradley effect); - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I would expect the MSM to point to abject racism for whites not to vote for Obama, but if there is any truth to the theory, it will be replayed. Also, recall that Bill Clinton didn't win either election, 1992 or 1996, without Ross Perot. In this regard, Obama needs Evita more than McCain. It is obvious that if Obama can't placate these women and their followers, his candidacy may be historical, but is dead in the water.

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Originally Posted by George_1950

I hope, and wouldn't be surprised, to see Obama lead up to election day, unless he suffers a meltdown of some kind, which could happen. Two points: The "Bradley Effect" was much discussed during the Democrat primaries (Bradley effect); - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I would expect the MSM to point to abject racism for whites not to vote for Obama, but if there is any truth to the theory, it will be replayed. Also, recall that Bill Clinton didn't win either election, 1992 or 1996, without Ross Perot. In this regard, Obama needs Evita more than McCain. It is obvious that if Obama can't placate these women and their followers, his candidacy may be historical, but is dead in the water.

Agreed! You are so right, George!

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Yup folks! That's the McCain bandwagon slowly riding on, tongues hanging, dried and parched, hopelessly wondering into that November dust storm.

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McCain is no friend to women since he is against a woman's right to choose. AND, how about the 100 years of War, women's children and grandchildren are up for serving in the Armed Forces. And, how about him flip flopping on most of the major issues. The most recent being he took a stand against drilling offshore, and CHANGE HIS MIND a couple of days ago!

Why a couple of days ago, he said that he could understand why it would be difficult to love America because of some of its polities. What? He is so confused.

A lot a deflecting instead of addressing a fundamental problem Obama has.

George is right about the fact that you cannot trust the polling numbers .The "Bradley effect " has confounded polsters for a long time now .
Of course Obama and his flunkies in the MSM will try to make a linkage between opposing him and racism. He has already proven that he will do and say anything while carrying the mantle of change and transcending politics.

SkyGem I am almost 100% certain that Evita will not be his veep choice.

Credendovidis... lol... When I see Americans hacking at each other with machete's and denying food to political opponents then I will take your comparison seriously .

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/wo...hp&oref=slogin

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how about him flip flopping

The reality is that in this cycle both candidates have shamelessly flipped on a number of issues . It is hard to determine what either of them truly believe. The big difference to me is that McCain has a track record to examine while Obama is a blank slate to fill in and erase as needed .

What's his position on NAFTA and campaign financing ? Those were among the flip flops by Obama last week and they are coming in as frequently as he throws advisors;confidants ,and grandmas under the bus.

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Also note that over the weekend he went from supporting the FISA compromise to opposing certain sections of it that the Moveon and Huffpo crowd objected to at the end of last week . They gave him a pretty hard time of it .
Art Levine: Is Obama Selling Out on FISA bill? - Politics on The Huffington Post

Skygem here is a copy of the ABC /Washinton Compost survey

Washington Post-ABC News (washingtonpost.com)

Please note that 70% of white Americans deny a racial bias when deciding on Obama. Also note that this was the 42nd Question out of 44 asked in the survey ,but ABC news and the Compost decided to distort the finding in a headline article .

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Meanwhile Obama's lead is increasing. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Bobby ;Only once in the last 20 years has the candidate who has been ahead in June polls ended up winning the election according to the TimesOnline

US Elections - Times Online - WBLG: June Polls Don't Hold Up

[QUOTE=BABRAM]He was speaking in terms a small category of women (and men), not as Tom dreamt "Obama to women get over it." After repeatedly telling Gore supporters (that included a large contingent of women) to get over it after the 2000 election, the Republicans stand to look as hypocrtical as ever. Meanwhile Obama's lead is increasing. :)

You don't think that by oh, the 2004 election, that Gore supporters should have gotten over it?

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

He was speaking in terms a small category of women (and men), not as Tom dreamt "Obama to women get over it." After repeatedly telling Gore supporters (that included a large contingent of women) to get over it after the 2000 election, the Republicans stand to look as hypocrtical as ever. Meanwhile Obama's lead is increasing. :)

You don't think that by oh, the 2004 election, that Gore supporters should have gotten over it?

I don't know what you misunderstood, but that was my point. So why would anybody or more specifically McCain supporters use a strategy with an issue that's a proven loser? So they can look like hypocrites?

Bottom line here is that Obama's fundraising fell flat and McCain has been keeping up . Meanwhile Obama spent a lot of money to secure the nomination and now he needs Evita's Democrat deep pocket donators who possibly will opt out of giving Obama a dime . So far Evita's minions are saying PUMA (Party Unity My A$$) and it doesn't help for Obama to flippantly tell them to get over it.

Meanwhile... how's this for arrogance

http://www.johnbatchelorshow.com/cus...rica190190.jpg

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Bobby ;Only once in the last 20 years has the candidate who has been ahead in June polls ended up winning the election according to the TimesOnline

US Elections - Times Online - WBLG: June Polls Don't Hold Up

And the Republicans and McCain supporters will get that dubious distinction of being the first losers to carry their flickering flame from June until November when it's snuffed out.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

bottom line here is that Obama's fundraising fell flat and McCain has been keeping up . Meanwhile Obama spent alot of money to secure the nomination and now he needs Evita's Democrat deep pocket donators who quite possibly will opt out of giving Obama a dime . So far Evita's minions are saying PUMA (Party Unity My A$$) and it doesn't help for Obama to flippantly tell them to get over it.

Meanwhile ...how's this for arrogance

http://www.johnbatchelorshow.com/cus...rica190190.jpg

LOL! I guess I'm arrogant for liking a campaign moniker. I love it! Vote Obama!

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

I don't know what you misunderstood, but that was my point. So why would anybody or more specifically McCain supporters use a strategy with an issue that's a proven loser?! So they can look like hypocrites?

It isn't misunderstood, the situations are entirely different. It's one thing to tell supporters of the candidate in the other party to "get over it" after whining about the outcome (in some cases almost 8 years later) to a case that Gore himself brought. It's something entirely different to tell women in your own party to "get over it" after a long, heated contest between these two "historic" candidates.

Let's see? Get over it or "get over it." Both occurrences are done, the president became "Dubya" and the Democrat nominee became"Obama." OK! So the Gore supporters should not get over it?

Or you could say "move on "

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or you could say "move on "

Tom- Good one! :)

I've got a full schedule today, I've got to go. Everyone have a great day.

I think this seal says it better

http://www.jeffhead.com/obama/obamaseal.jpg

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OK! So the Gore supporters should not get over it?!

What? What in God's name would make you think I suggested that? A bit early in the day for you still? Gore supporters are hopeless, I suggested they get over it for their own mental health's sake years ago. But, a democratic presidential nominee pi$$ing off democrat women? Hell hath no fury like a feminist scorned...

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What? What in God's name would make you think I suggested that? A bit early in the day for you still? Gore supporters are hopeless, I suggested they get over it for their own mental health's sake years ago. But, a democratic presidential nominee pi$$ing off democrat women? Hell hath no fury like a feminist scorned...

I already made my point. Were you partying all night? You said there was no comparison and was an entirely different situation. I disagreed. Were you not addressing me? If it was someone else, I'll be glad to step aside.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

SkyGem I am almost 100% certain that Evita will not be his veep choice.

So am I. Therefore, we will say and continue to say...

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Originally Posted by tomder55

bottom line here is that Obama's fundraising fell flat and McCain has been keeping up . Meanwhile Obama spent alot of money to secure the nomination and now he needs Evita's Democrat deep pocket donators who quite possibly will opt out of giving Obama a dime . So far Evita's minions are saying PUMA (Party Unity My A$$) and it doesn't help for Obama to flippantly tell them to get over it.

Meanwhile ...how's this for arrogance

http://www.johnbatchelorshow.com/cus...rica190190.jpg

Tom, are you trying to tell me something I don't already know? It's uncanny but I could've sworn I saw in the shield one finger sticking straight out from two hands, perhaps in sheer arrogance as you say. I had to do a double-take. It could be a pretty frightening premonition of things to come. Therefore, we will say and continue to say...

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Tomder55! I got to credit you for the routine of encouraging the Christi Adkin "no deal" sheeple. However anybody within a political mile of you knows darn well you're not supporting Hillary in this lifetime or the next. You did make Sky's day though.

http://www.ziopedia.org/images/new_sheeple_dees.jpg

Bobby you know me too well. This is just too much fun !

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Tomder55! I gotta credit you for the routine of encouraging the Christi Adkin "no deal" sheeple. However anybody within a political mile of you knows darn well you're not supporting Hillary in this lifetime or the next. You did make Sky's day though.

Didn't he though!! Bobby, you don't know how much, and I hear that so many in this country are now aware of these two urls since the sites went up that it's really got them thinking!! Thanks again Tom, you're a GEM!!!!!

http://www.ziopedia.org/images/new_sheeple_dees.jpg

By the way, isn't that your guy on the far right with a turban, Bobby? Thanks for including him in this shot! It's so apropos with the upcoming elections 'n all!;)

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Originally Posted by SkyGem

By the way, isn't that your guy on the far right with a turban, Bobby? Thanks for including him in this shot! It's so apropos with the upcoming elections 'n all!;)

That's what Fox wants you to believe but only the truly ignorant would swallow that.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

That's what Fox wants you to believe but only the truly ignorant would swallow that.

And trust me when I tell you that our little anonymous minister has the wool pulled over her eyes. Like many sheeple grazing the propaganda, they are more worried about everybody else's backyard, while our own homegrown US nutcases run amuck. Sky's so confused that she was supporting Hillary Clinton, a very adamant pro-choice candidate, yet the other day she got up on her soap box to give excon a pro-life speech.

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Well Bobby in Sky's defense it really is not that unusual for women who are proabortion to vote for candidates who are prolife and visa versa. Ronnie Reagan won 49 states with many crossover voters. I actually give the American people more credit than to think that most of them vote on single issues.So Excon's argument that Hillary supporters would be crazy to cross-over because of the abortion issue is not valid in my opinion.

Hello again, tom:

I left off the other 25 reasons because I thought the IDEA was clear.

Let me try this way. Obama and Clinton are 3 degrees away from each other on ALL the important issues of the day. Obama and McCain are 180 degrees away from each other on the important issues of the day.

Even though Sky would vote for a PRO abortion candidate (even though a ANTI abortion candidate is running), WHY would she vote to, let's say, stay in Iraq for a 100 years instead of leaving sooner??

Do you get my point yet?? It's that SkyGem, and her group of jilted lovers, are phony baloney.

excon

Yeah I see your point... sorta like a libertarian voting for Obama... or Bob Barr for that matter.

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And trust me when I tell you that our little anonymous minister has the wool pulled over her eyes. Like many sheeple grazing the propaganda, they are more worried about everybody else's backyard, while our own homegrown US nutcases run amuck.

Well you should know, Bobby, you're supporting one of them. In fact, he's so nutty (no real substance but a great guy) yet so effective that the pied piper has even gotten the support of the unsuspecting and that's the scary part. Boy are they in for a BIG surprise if he's elected, and we'll come back to tell them we told you so!

Sky's so confused that she was supporting Hillary Clinton, a very adamant pro-choice candidate, yet the other day she got up on her soap box to give Excon a pro-life speech.

Uh, uh, uh....don't try Obama's tactics of obfuscation of the real issues here and with me, Bobby, I would hope by now you would know better. And let's not forget what I also said under the thread "What's the Matter With Howard Dean and the DNC?"

"P.S. Since Hillary is no longer to be considered for President, though she too could have been pro-choice but with a more conservative slant, it is safe to assume that at least people will know there are so many others who still support her on other issues as well as her experience, a real PLUS in my book. And coupled with delegates proposed to be taken away from her by the Democratic Party (and it's the PRINCIPLE of doing this that is so wrong) I feel I can comfortably use the following ending line so others can know
what is truly going on. They really need to know as that is something I truly cannot support happening to anyone. It is unjust, unfair, and just plain WRONG!"
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So, let's be fair to the situation, Bobby. I know you and your guy do not believe in fairness one iota, what with throwing his White granny under the bus and all that, but force yourself, just to save face, instead of walking lock-step with him on everything he says or does without questioning anything or writing about the things he does wrong. Or are you his siamese twin? That says a lot about you and your own ethics, you know, to in effect say he's so perfect about anything and everything. The reality is that No One Is Or Could Ever Be and he who believes otherwise is a great FOOL! By the way, Bobby, thanks for continuing to bring up the subject of Hillary that makes me just respond more consistently with "Just Say No Deal" tags! You give me the real impetus to go even further and with great vigor. So, I do also owe it to you and will continue to inform others about it but at this time it's not for Tom, the real credit goes to YOU! So, you too are a GEM! Thanks again and do keep it up!

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what with throwing his White granny under the bus and all that,

Did you see in their "unity " rally that Obama compared Evita to his grandma?? Toooooooo funny .

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He talked to her frequently during the primary season, and obviously “she
Was rooting for her grandson,” Obama said. But she also complained that
Clinton wasn't getting a fair shake. “When I see that instinct of hers to
Fight on behalf of those who need a champion, she reminds me a little of
Me,” Obama's grandmother told him.

Lynn Sweet: Chicagoans at the Clinton-Obama D.C. unity meeting. Speech excerpts.

Evita will be walking with tire tracks on her back before November for sure !

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Evita will be walking with tire tracks on her back before November for sure !

The woman literally requested an assassination attempt on her opponent's life comparing him to Bobby Kennedy and we not out of June yet. I hope he not only runs her over, but then backs up over Bill while at it.

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Originally Posted by SkyGem

So, I do also owe it to you and will continue to inform others about it but at this time it's not for Tom, the real credit goes to YOU! So, you too are a GEM!! Thanks again and do keep it up!

Minister, that's because I own you. I just lease you out to Tom when I'm bored. ;)