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I hate politics! But recently there has been such a flood of it coming through
On TV, radio, and the internet that I can't escape from hearing things - all of which I do not like or condone.
Can someone please tell me anything good that president Bush has done for
His country. I'm struggling to be proud that I live hear.
Quite frankly, I'm down right embarrassed and worried about what he's doing to the US. Can this moron do anything right/good?
Has he done anything right/good?
Anyone?
NO he can't... The only good thing about bush is that his time in office is almost over... I might just throw a big party... yeah that is a really good reason to party...
He appointed some very good Supreme Court Justices.
What a great idea! I'm going to have an Inauguration Party regardless of who wins!Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
Myth, That time can't come soon enough for me.
Who ever takes his place has a lot of honor to restore and a lot of cleaning up to do.
I hope they're able to, Bush has ran this country into the ground.
What a shame.
Yea, I think a lot of us hate politics. But I think Bush has done a good job keeping the battle in Bahgdad rather than in Birmingham. If people don't believe me, look out your window and smell the coffee. There's a lot of other issues than Iraq and terrorism, neither of which is ever going away, and a lot of those other issues may be things we should have dealt with earlier. I wouldn't want his job. We need to step up as a nation. Like the nation we are. I'm proud and very happy to be American. This is a great and prosperious country! That's a fact! Bush kept a hard line. Because sometimes doing the right thing isn't the easiest.
When I said I hate politics, I also meant I know absolutely nothing other thanQuote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
What I hear. LOL. (everything bad)
Could you please explain...
Yes, he has nominated two supreme court judges, both are good strict constitional law, not looking to write new law but judge it by strict rules of law.
The economy is better than it has been in fifteen years, the unemployment rate is at its lowest in many years, the stock market is higher than it has ever been, and people have more money to invest than they have in many years.
George was elected while this country was in a down spiral, then the events of 9-11 was piled onto his shoulders and I think that he handled the after math of that better than anyone that I know could have. He has kept or country safe from another invasion from the terrorist that want to kill us all. He went to war with Iraq with the understand and the assurance from the former administration the Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and he did what the congress voted on him doing and that was to declare war against Iraq and to get rid of probably the worst dictator since Hitler.
And now is he not only trying to win the war against terrorist but he is having to fight a war against his own congress, and many of them were the ones that voted on entering the war. Just thank God that the inventor of the internet did not win the election in 2000 when our country had just gone through such a miserable 8 years before that.
God Bless America.
OK, thank you. This is a pretty positive outlook and point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRich
Different than what I've heard by accident on news, etc.
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by letmetellu
Another positive outlook.
Thanks for explaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Liberated Afghanistan: The country had been controlled by a Taliban government so repressive that they destroyed historical artifacts simply because they were deemed offensive. This country has a long and complicated history of interaction with America, and unfortunately we pretty much dumped them after the fall of the Soviet Union when they were of no immediate use to us. Hopefully, we can atone for that sin by continuing to help build a stable government and encouraging a more open society. Given the nature of American electoral cycles, I have no confidence of this whatsoever but I do have hope.
Ended the reign of Saddam Hussein: However history may judge the 16 words, the administration's analysis of intelligence, and the president's judgement in the conduct of this operation; one fact cannot be escaped. The world is a better place without Saddam Hussein in power. He was a destabilizing influence in a region that had no need of less stability. He supported our enemies and his military continued to wrestle with our forces in the course of enforcing the no fly zones which were left from the so-called 'good' Gulf War when Bush the elder put forth a tremendous coalition to oppose Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and did nothing. We were already there and had been there since 1992. The invasion of 2003 was not a new war as much as the proper resolution of the last one. For those of you jumping up and down with glee and talking about how it would be different if the Republicans hadn't stolen the election both times I have three words: Kosovo, Bosnia, and Somalia.
The courts: The nomination of Harriet Miers was a national embarrassment. Ms. Miers is undoubtedly a fine woman but she erred in accepting the nomination just as Bush erred in proferring it. Roberts and Alito were excellent choices, and a number of his apellate court nominees have also been outstanding.
When criminals in this world appear,
And break the laws that they should fear,
And frighten all who see or hear,
The cry goes up both far and near for
Underdog!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here. :p
It could be said that the economy and enployment levels are good simply because the war machine is at work. Weep for your children and the load they will carry with the runaway debt.
First I thought Nixon was the worst. Then came Reagan but the absolute worst we ever had is George W. Bush. As a combat vet I am ashamed of both Bush and Cheny for shirking their military duty. The "chicken hawks" up in Washington, who have never seen a shot fired in anger, are responsible for thousands of needless deaths of our young men in a religious war that we started behind a bunch of lies. How you right wingers can defend this mans actions is beyond me.
Defending the right wingers is easy when the only other option is the Ted Kennedy lead Left Wingers, with the Clintons right behind. And if you think George is bad just wait to see what happens if Hillary is elected.
And would you be defending the shrub?Quote:
Originally Posted by letmetellu
I am not necessarily defending George Bush (your so called the shrub) but he is what was elected by the people of this great country. Granted we are in a war that looks bad in every situation and maybe it should have never have happened but at the time the Right as well as the Left thought it was a necessary war one that when won would still give you the right to call the president of The United States of America (the shrub).Quote:
Originally Posted by speedball1
GOD BLESS AMERICA.
"he is what was elected by the people of this great country."
Oh No! Can't buy that. I'm a Floridian and we remember the shrub was given the election by Katherine Harris. Gore won the popular vote.
We remembered Harris the next time she ran for office. That's why she is now a private citizen living out on Longboat Key just across Sarasota Bay from my place.
Now you can stand up and wave a flag for a man that in World War Two we would have called a slacker and a draft dodger. Cheny slithered out from going to VietNam by collage deferments. The shrub escaped by joining the Texas National Guard and then slithered out of that to go work on a reelection campaign. Both are a disgrace to the boys they are sending over to that meat grinder and to those of us who fought for (as you call it) "This Great Country" to say nothing of our boys who come back home in body bags.
And don't you dare attempt to heavy up on me for my opinion of Bush.
I paid my dues in World War Two. USN, Amphibs, Beach Battalion. So. Pac. Motor Mac on a LCVP landing craft.
I lost my big brother and my best school chum in that war. Left them both back in the So. Pac. When I came home.
I have won the right to call any man that shirks his own military duty, while sending others out to fight, anything I want to.
I thank you for your service in the service during World War II and I am sorry for your losses in that war, and I respect your right to say anything about anyone you want to but that does not make me agree with you.
Your statement about Bush escaping by joining the National Guard, by the way I was a National Guard soldier in the Korean war, I hope you know that the guard is not a safe haven as so many of the boys in Iraq know.
You got that right!!Quote:
Originally Posted by letmetellu
As a Canadian I want to thank the American people and the army for the freedoms we take for granted. We as Canadians hide behind the protection of the Americans. Our once great military has systematically been rendered irrelevant as a result of Liberal underfunding over the past 30 years. The service of great people like Speedball and his sacrifices are underappreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by 123HelpPlzThx123
America and the world need leaders like President Bush who will take a stand for what is right regardless of the political consequences.
As Speedball will attest from his experiences in WW2, a tyrant left unchecked will continue to gain power until he is stopped.
You may be correct that many Canadians hate Bush but after years of brainwashing by a left leaning, government sponsored, national broadcasting corporation it is understandable.
I will give the Bush haters something though He is the worst president since Bill Clinton
Just to be clear the men and women in the Canadian military are doing a great job with what they have to work with. The work to help stabilize Afhganistan and other peacekeeping duties have gained them much respect around the world. The numbers and equipment are just not sufficient to all that is expected of them.
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Debt also due to the entitlement machine, earmarks, foreign aid, post katrina costs, the litigation machine, beureaucratic red tape etc...
At least Bush's administration [ despite Democrats playing the class envy/ income redistribution card] is letting hard working taxpayors keep a higher percentage of their hard earned dollars.
Grace and Peace
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Originally Posted by speedball1
How about all the congresspeople that voted on the resoultion? Were all of them veterans?
And Bill Clinton was a combat veteran? Or was he in England, and yet he ordered bombing in Kosovo. Not all war era veterans are in combat, some are stateside or stationed at other military bases.
I disagree with you, obviously, but I respect your service.
Grace and Peace
Here is a Socialist telling us our president is spoon Fed! Bwa Ha Ha HA HA HA!Quote:
Originally Posted by 123HelpPlzThx123
I know this is a touch subject... and I thank everyone for participating.
Actually, Fl was the deciding state.
Although I'm happy that I get to keep more of my hard earned money and don't have to pay higher taxes so that slackers can receive free benefits,
I didn't vote for bush because of his past.
I felt that his past with alcohol and drug abuse (among other things) was not honorable enough to be the leader of my country,
My children's country, our home...
I believe it was fixed. He only won the election after a "recount".
Give me a break...
The entire time this man has been in office, I have not met one person who says they voted for him (Florida)... so how is it that he got fl??
Anyway, this man has been in office for how long now and he has done a few good things. Unfortunately for me, there is more damage than good.
I get so pissed about this new thing happening with the illegal immigrant crap.
All the people who sneak over here (most criminals) get to stay and become a citizen, but the ones here legally with visa/greencards/work permits have to go back... what? Where is the moral there?? Please. He's a jack az!
Sorry I guess this is like a venting post for me...
I agree with letmetellu 100%, Maybe you people will be much happier when the whitehouse is back to doing nothing but having orgies and filling their pockets...
Do you not think that Bush is filling his pockets? Think again...
Maybe, but can you prove it? I really think this man walked into a he ll of a mess, and he had a lot of supporters when this thing started, but as soon as things didn't turn out the way they should have, the country turns their back on him. What would you do if you were in his shoes?? I'm sure you will come up with a great answer, but it's B/S, I couldn't imagine what it would be like to have this mess on my back, I think he has done the best that any man could do. Just wait, you'll get your way, maybe we'll get Hillary in office, Thing's will be great! I'll be the first one out of this d a m n country!!
Honestly, I don't know what I'd do.Quote:
Originally Posted by hvacservicetech_07
But one things for sure, Bush is an oil man, he pockets every time I fill up.
Again, Can you prove that? This may be true, but do you honestly think that he started this war, for money? Give me a break! That is crazy, That doesn't make sense, like I said before, this war was something this country wanted, we wanted revenge.
I see the point you're trying to make and I do appreciate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 123HelpPlzThx123
But for me personally, I still feel that if one cannot lead himself in the right direction, he has no business trying to lead a country in the right direction.
I'm all for someone else stepping in and giving it a shot, but what are our options? Do you really think that Hillary Clinton will help things? I don't want to argue with you, we all have a right to our opinion, but I just don't see things getting any better, I don't think we are going to get anyone in that office that can finish this thing the right way.
Oh I totally agree with you there - after 9/11.Quote:
Originally Posted by hvacservicetech_07
But I feel this war strayed off the original path and benefits him.
What do you think he does with his oil money?
Me either... I don't like any of the options...Quote:
Originally Posted by hvacservicetech_07
And Hillary... LOL... never...
I'm a little fearful of what is to come...
I'm not arguing my friend, just discussing opinions and taking in other point of views.Quote:
Originally Posted by hvacservicetech_07
This is probably the first discussion I've ever had about politics besides with my husband and that's just because the subject is unavoidable and disturbing to me.
Just discussing my thoughts and reading others somehow makes me feel better...
How does President Bush line his pockets with oil money?
Doesn't a reduced supply drive up the prices? With stability in the middle east supply will be more reliable.
The left left wing Bush haters that make it virtually impossible to search for more oil or build more refineries do more to cause a shortage of gas supplies allowing prices to rise at the pump which increases profits for oil companies.
I hope you sincere when you say you are just discussing options and not looking for arguments.
Comments such as Bush is lining his pockets and Bush stole the elections have no basis in fact but are just repeated distortions that if repeated often enough tend to be believed.
The Florida election count has been recounted more than any other count in history.
Counted by the media, universities as well as the official counts and they all came to the same conclusion.
Ask how many overseas military ballots where counted? The left went out of their way to make sure these votes where not included as members of the military who know the price of freedom better than others tend to be more right of center.
As for the claim that the ballots where fixed or confusing. First if you can't figure out how to vote in a voting both should you be the one to decide who should be elected to the most powerful position in the world.
The next point even though I can't remember all the details about how Fla elections are run but I do remember in the disputed Counties the ballots where set up by Democrats.
The chief electorial officers where Democrats.
This is a great string, always like to hear different points of views. One question though, why did you start the thread with Can this moron do anything right/good?
Doesn't sound like someone than is just looking for information. It sounds like you your opinion is made and you are looking for support for your conclusions.
Does your statement that President Bush is a moron come from his accent? Because he mispronounces a syllable or two once in a while? Just curious
Hello hv:Quote:
Originally Posted by hvacservicetech_07
I agree we wanted revenge. The problem is that Iraq didn't attack us, and we've been vengful on the wrong people. Bush finally admitted that they didn't, but Cheney won't even to this day. After all these years, you'd think the two of them would agree on what got us onto Iraq. But, nooooo.
I don't know how they think they can get away with that. Of course, they can't!! Given the above, I think Bush will go down in history as the WORST president ever.
excon
"I hope you know that the guard is not a safe haven as so many of the boys in Iraq know."Quote:
Originally Posted by letmetellu
You misunderstand. I support the troops and the service personal from all branches. What I don't support is the war itself. As a veteran, LetmetellU, I can not understand why you aren't right in there with us in our outrage. Look at both Bush and Chenys shameful record in the Vietnam war. I have nothing against the Guard, the Guard wasn't my point of focus. The fact that Bush bugged out of the Guard and never went back to complete his tour but instead elected to work on a politicians reelection campaign is the point I brought out.
The sight of Bush strutting down the deck of a aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit costume under a banner that read "Mission Accomplished" was a slap in the face to every veteran that ever went in harms way.
You can support this man if you choose, but in my view the American Public has spoke loud and clear or haven't you noticed the latest polls.
You say, " I thank you for your service in the service during World War II and I am sorry for your losses in that war"
And I salute you for your service in the Korean Conflict. Most American families lost a family member in World War Two so my loss was just one of many. We were attacked and went to war to fight the aggressors. This is the price we paid for freedom. In Iraq we are the aggressors, we started this conflict behind faulty and misleading intellence. And now, the chickenhawks in Washing have got us in the middle of a religious civil war from which there is no end and no victory.
They tout a "surge" but fail to mention the surge of body bags that are returning in ever greater numbers. But it's not us who's suffering the most.
If not us then who? Why it's the Iraq civilians! The very people we went in to save. Does anybody out there see a ending to this slaughter??
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Originally Posted by speedball1
Tom I just have one more thing to say on this subject, I am not trying to convert you to my way of thinking and I hate that we are in a war just as bad as you but we are in a war, a war that was started by the misleading information that had been gathered for years, not just since George Bush had been in office. We know that Sadam was a murderer from what he did to his own countrymen. Osama was born in Iraq and I can not help but believe he was supported by Sadam, either in weapons or money. How can we get out of this war? I don't know but I sure don't want to do another Vietnam. We have done some great things in Iraq and I would hate that all of those men died or were wounded for nothing and that is what it will be if we just set a date and drive away.
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