Is the hand of Clinton behind this?


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Patriotism questions for Obama
No flag pin, no hand over his heart: Is he exposed?
The Associated Press
Updated 5:26 a.m. ET, Sun. Feb. 24, 2008
WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.

Now Obama's wife, Michelle, has drawn their ire, too, for saying recently that she's really proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.

Conservative consultants say that combined, the cases could be an issue for Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination, especially as he runs against Vietnam war hero Sen. John McCain.

'Blame America first crowd'
"The reason it hasn't been an issue so far is that we're still in the microcosm of the Democratic primary," said Republican consultant Roger Stone. "Many Americans will find the three things offensive. Barack Obama is out of the McGovern wing of the party, and he is part of the blame America first crowd."

Opponents of Sen. John Kerry proved in the 2004 election that voters are sensitive to suggestions that a candidate is not sufficiently patriotic. The Democratic presidential nominee's campaign was torpedoed by critics of his Vietnam War record called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, even though he won multiple military honors and was lauded by his superiors.

The Swift Boat campaign started as a relatively small television ad buy that exploded into an issue that dogged Kerry for months. The Massachusetts senator has conceded since losing to President Bush that the campaign and his lackluster response to unsubstantiated allegations he considered unworthy of a reaction likely cost him the election. And the term even became part of the campaign lexicon -- swift boating.

Obama already is the subject of a shadowy smear campaign based on the Internet that falsely suggests he's a Muslim intent on destroying the United States. Obama is a Christian and has been fighting the e-mail hoax, which also claims he doesn't put his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance, and he's been trying to correct the misinformation.

"Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America," Obama frequently tells voters.

"I've been going to the same church for 20 years, praising Jesus," he adds.

Retired Major General Scott Gration, an Obama military adviser, said he expects the attacks will only increase if Obama wins the Democratic nomination.


"People are projecting things and taking things out of context," Gration said. "There's absolutely no question in my mind that Michelle and Barack are extremely patriotic, appreciate our freedoms and our values and everything else that the flag represents."

Officials with the McCain campaign and the Republican Party say they won't be suggesting Obama is less than patriotic, and instead plan to focus their criticisms on his record and inexperience if he wins the nomination. Well-funded outside groups, however, consider anything fair game.

Conservative Republican consultant Keith Appell, who worked with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, said Obama's opposition to the war will create a "striking contrast between McCain the war hero and Obama the poster child for the anti-war movement."

"If you are McCain, you want to play up the decorated war hero, loves his country, served his country," Appell said. "You want to play those themes up as much as possible, especially in comparison to Obama and his role in the anti-war movement."

Questions around Michelle
On Monday, Michelle Obama told an audience in Milwaukee, "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change."

Cindy McCain, McCain's wife, days later responded by saying, "I have, and always will be, proud of my country." Barack Obama has expressed frustration that his wife's remarks had been taken out of context and turned into political fodder -- both the Obamas say she was talking about politics in the United States, not the country itself.

Last summer, Obama was photographed by Time magazine at an event in Iowa standing with his hands folded during the national anthem. His primary rivals Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson appear beside him, with their hands on their hearts.

It has been repeatedly reported that the moment came during the Pledge of Allegiance, but that's not the case.

In October, Obama told Iowa television station KCRG that he decided to stop wearing a U.S. flag lapel pin during the run-up to the Iraq war because it had become "a substitute for, I think, true patriotism."

"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest. Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great and, hopefully, that will be a testimony to my patriotism," Obama said.

Obama's comments led conservatives and media commentators to question his patriotism.

Questioning his patriotism
"First he kicked his American flag pin to the curb. Now Barack Obama has a new round of patriotism problems. Wait until you hear what the White House hopeful didn't do during the singing of the national anthem," said Steve Doocy, co-host of "Fox and Friends" on the Fox News Channel.

"He felt it OK to come out of the closet as the domestic insurgent he is," former radio host Mark Williams said on Fox.

Gration said he had a copy of the national anthem photo e-mailed to him by a friend who didn't know the facts and questioned how a military man could support someone who doesn't honor the Pledge of Allegiance.

"I go to baseball games and football games and there's just a minority of us who put our hands over our heart. It's not an indication of patriotism," Gration said. Gration said he personally wears a flag pin, but "if I meet someone who doesn't have a lapel pin, it doesn't mean they are more or less patriotic than I am."

And, he added, "I don't think you can find Barack again not putting his hand over his heart at the national anthem."


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Oh, I think you can safely bet that someone from the Clinton campaign has their hand in this. I find the following from Macbeth to be appropriate:
"double, double toil and trouble; fire burn and cauldron bubble."

I most certainly do, and as it keeps going the dirt will get deeper and worst, as things are suggested and un-named persons will release varoius things.

He claimed he will AFTER he is the only Democrat candidate left running.
Savage says he was raised by a hippie anti-American type mom... I wonder

Obama has no interest in preserving America as we know it. He is a NWO globalist. I thought you knew and understood that. Why should he wear an American flag or pledge allegiance to a flag that he will be a part of doing away with?
This is what he is talking about when he says the word change but gives no clear explanation of what he is going to change.

Barack Obama's globalist, neoconservative foreign policy:

It's official. Barack Obama has declared his globalist candidacy.

Obama has offered his views on foreign policy to the journal Foreign Affairs, published by none other than the Council on Foreign Relations. In doing so, he has pledged his allegiance not to the United States of America, but to the New World Order.

The August Review writes,


Prior to the founding of the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) was the most significant body of global-minded elitists in the United States. As far back as 1959, the CFR was explicit about a need for world government.



This is the organization that published "Building a North American Community", the document notorious for announcing the establishment of a North American Union. The CFR's agenda is the elimination of America's borders, sovereignty and democracy. If they have their way, there will be one world government. No more U.S. Constitution. Global fascism.

To be President of the United States, one must be a member or at least have the approval of the CFR and/or it's "twin" or extension the Trilateral Commission. Presidents Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton, and Vice Presidents George H. W. Bush and Cheney were all members of the Trilateral Commission. President George W. Bush carried out the CFR's "North American Community" plan through the Security and Prosperity Partnership. Senator Obama intends to advance their agenda as well if he is elected to the Presidency.

"After thousands of lives lost and billions of dollars spent [by the Bush administration]," Obama writes, "many Americans may be tempted to turn inward and cede our leadership in world affairs. But this is a mistake we must not make. America cannot meet the threats of this century alone, and the world cannot meet them without America."

He puts it more clearly, "the security and well-being of each and every American depend on the security and well-being of those who live beyond our borders." This is the very idea that led us into Iraq, fighting the "War on Terror" over there, so that we don't have to fight it here. How has that policy worked out? We have created more terrorism and killed hundreds of thousands by invading Iraq. We have killed more civilians than terrorists in our operations in Afghanistan (Obama wants "to remove the limitations placed by some NATO allies on their forces").

For "America to lead the effort to build the road to a lasting peace [in the Middle East]," Obama writes, "Our starting point must always be a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel, our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy." Obama wants to continue arming Israel, as a means of reaching peace in the Middle East. His plan for peace is to arm the country in the region which has the most aggressive foreign policy.

For "America to lead the effort to build the road to a lasting peace [in the Middle East]," Obama writes, "Our starting point must always be a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel, our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy."

BTW, America is the real Israel, the Israel over in the Middle East is just our (Zionist) military base from which we will strike and invade to take the oil. Until all the bases are completed in Iraq that is. They would hate for the Gentiles in America to fully realize that fact but that is just the way it is. I know, I know, it sounds crazy. Sometimes, the truth is stranger than fiction though.

Politics, politics let me just say we all have our opinion and may I please state mine. I am not dem. Or rep. but I am an american and I vote for who in my heart I feel peace with yes we are at war and it sucks but a lot of people don't understand when you come from the south your backbone tends to be a little larger and the way I am ,is kind to all ,but don't mess with my family or you will pay so so so badly and that's what bush is saying , you messed with my people and it's on .I don't care who you are, if you are a threat to my people then we are all over you. Some people just can't understand that way of thinking and a lot of people are voting for whoever can bring our troops home the fastest and that's a scary thought ,they are going to wish like crap that someone with a backbone as big as bush was in there the next time we are attacked . Which is what's going to happen the second they get pulled out, sadly. As far as obamanation goes he will bring near the end of time this country is founded on god and how dare an american vote in someone who's not american what has this world come to? And a woman to lead this country, come on now what's going to happen when p.m.s. is kicked in there is a reason god made man to rule the things of this earth I hate to sound 50's but that's saying god didn't know what he was doing. I really hate what's up ahead for this country all because people have learned so well how to , by speaking, make you believe anything. At least I can say bush isn't trying to be a silver tongued devil if he was he'd bring the troops home today just to please people that don't know what they are talking about.

Barack Obama was born in the United States of America.

I'm guessing at 62, PMS isn't one of her problems any longer.

Obama is a man.

He doesn't even have to try. And his tongue isn't silver since he can't even speak with good grammar and pronunciation.

Trust me being born in America does not make you American, not when you have different traditions and belief's. This nation was founded on god not smoke or kod or whatever else has developed over the years. And if p.m.s has passed I guess menopause and emotional outburst will knock us right on our feet.and yes obama is man but correct me if I'm wrong didn't god divide man for a purpose when he brought down the tower of babel. Bush is a full blooded country man and it's about darn time we got one in there as for the so elequintly speaking people are apparently all for letting someone run all up and over there people with not one single consequence

Hilary is just as much in the NWO - according to the documentary, "Endgame" by Alex Jones.

A racist from the south. What a surprise.

I thought Hulk Hogan ran the NWO?

IS that what she was saying? I couldn't make heads or tails of WHO she is for and against.

Shy very true. Hillary and Obama are NWO all the way and Bush has his foot holding the NWO door open by some of the things he does or doesn't do.

She insinuated Obama wasn't an American because he didn't have "traditional beliefs". Whatever that may be. I can't make heads or tails of anything she says either.
See below for the post I was referring to!

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...tml#post900883

It isn't racism it's called patriotism. The thoughts that someone could have been brought up strickly to run for the presidency just for the purpose of destroying America is enough to make me see. And don't think that's not a possibility

How do you figure?

How are you getting all this misinformation?

Hey! I'm the resident lunatic on this site! What the hell are you talking about?!

trust me being born in America does not make you American, not when you have different traditions and belief's. this nation was founded on god

For someone so vehemently decided on what America stands for, it doesn't sound as though you have ever been taught any U.S. History. This country was created specifically for people with different traditions and beliefs, this country was created by those escaping from religious persecution. Freedom is the rallying cry of our constitution, not fear and hatred. By the way, Iraq did not pose a threat to us. This was not a war of vengeance for 9/11. Bush has not ever tried to go after the people that attacked us.

[QUOTE=jennyrena]it isn't racism it's called patriotism.

How can you possibly be patriotic when you have no understanding of the Constitution of the United States of America. I know I shouldn't even be sucked into posting to this, it is like banging my head on a brick wall.

Pull the money from your pocket and read it or say the pledge of allegeince, come on now. America is FREE country and it was founded on god and still is. The gentlemen who wrote our lovely constitution were christains. It's in the history books also. They have been after bin lauden since we were attacked.I know if I sent my children to school and they came back hurt by some child I would see that there is disiplinary actions and if he /she tells me that there are more that might hurt them I'm going as far as nessesary to stop it.