Ex if it's the cost of markups due to union contracts and their effect on our competitive advantage you are referring to then that is a separate issue . Nothing mandates that they get benefits far exceeding most of the rest of the American workforce .
You watch... now that GM is Government Motors I can almost guarantee the "employer " is going to go hardline when the negotiations for new contracts happen.

You get what you pay for... if they expect to have massive savings... its going to come from an even more massive reduction of benefits. Get cancer... you have to wait 18 months for treatment... have a heart attack... take a number and if you are still breathing in a few months we will get to you. THe Canadian Prime Minister flew to Florida for heart surgery rather than go to a Canadian hospital... what does THAT tell you.

Nobody who has actually seen socialized medicine overseas after knowing what we have here wants anything to do with it.

I've seen it first hand... I've been in European hospitals. I've had friends and family die in them when if they were here they most likely would have survived.

European hospitals scare the hell out of me... and for good reason.

SOME doctors might be fine... but they have a lot of idiots too, and the system is so screwed up Stephen King would have a hard time dreaming it up.

One can only hope a very aggressive form of crotch cancer afflicts everyone who voted for Socilized healthcare.

And yeah I do mean that... I didn't make the sacrificed to go to college, and no I got NO help from the government, and my family was too poor to help, so some Blowhard from Chicago can steal MY hard earned money to subsidize a inner city High School dropouts healthcare. Because heaven forbid... THEY make any sacrifices to get their own.

Such a sweet thing to say, let me guess, you count yourself as religious as well?

Hey do you remember your first thread here? https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/family...re-126597.html

I will never experience that in my life. Neat eh?

Had totally forgotten about that one... the problem wasn't the insurance company... but that medical practice, mostly the office manager there. I need to go back and make sure I completed that thread as to what happened in the end.

It got paid... without the help of the office manager idiot at the Doctors office. The physicians at the practice I use no longer refer ANY patients to them... my bad experience with them wasn't isolated at all it seems. Others had similar horror stories. Good Doctor... with a horrific support staff working out of an equally bad medical center. You know Karma... "what goes around comes around." THey got a bad rep in the local medical circles... going to be hard for them to get away from that since there are plenty of other places to get the same thing around here.

Nobody who praises the Canadian or UK health system... even the EEU ones... have actually ever experienced them, or been able to compare them to what we have here, now. I've seen it in Europe... I've grown up with it here. You don't want to be in a European Hospital if you could be in one here instad. I have a number of relatives, and friends who are no longer among the living as a direct result of Socialized medicine.

The politicians lie... profusely about everything... and there are a certain number of idiots that blindly believe weverything they are told... because all good socialists believe what they are told by the Party leaders. How else would that idiot have gotten elected... He's never had a real job his entire life. So how did he get his millions? And yeah... he has millions. Nothing he ever did paid that sort of money.

Yes, everyone lies, except your guys. :rolleyes:

You should help answer the questions in the Health and Wellness boards here. It might open up your eyes a bit. You might also see your physician re: paranoia.

Not hardly... you need to see what's really in that bill... no you won't here in on the mainstream media... they love socialism.

Ever wonder why it took place with such secrecy.. outside of public view...

Ever wonder why there was absolutely NO transparency since the Messiah was voted into office with the help of ACORN through fraud...

Ever wonder, why Nancy Pelosi was saying we have to vote for this bill so we can find out what's in it? You have heard her saying that in those words... haven't you?


You know about the Cornhusker kickback... the Lousiziana Purchase, and the buyouts to Fla. That in the that bill... HUGE ammounts of OUR money paid in bribes for a couple votes in that senate bill... and yeah they are still there...

Don't look to hear what's really in it on CNN...

Hell, its NOT paranoia that Obamas records are still sealed... his records from his time in Illinois... ALL his school records... everything, birth Certificate, everything. Sealed... why, what's he hiding... The FIRST president to hide everything... why? What's he afraid we might see? That he never attended those schools... that he fluncked out... that he barely passed IF he passed at all?

If he was so damn smart, if his grades were so good... you'd think he would be proud to show them... not hide them.


Personally... I think wefare bums should be forced to work... no free anything. The only people who should get anything are the seriouslty handicapped... and those poor soles of limited intelligence. However willful stupidity is a choice... and shouldn't be rewarded.

Drop out of school... tough, your choice, you live with it... no handouts of any type. Those are limited to people who completed high school.

Have 5 kids from 5 different fathers... tough... make them pay for them... not us. No free abortion... use a condom or live with your choices.

I have to work... so should they.

Hello Smoothy:

You're a birther. That explains it all.

excon

And if he produced them, you certainly wouldn't say, "Gee, it's so easy nowadays with computers and word processing. He printed them all out in the dark of night in the basement of the White House. They're fake."

Actually, thanks for reminding me of that one... I failed to do the final follow-up. Which I now did. Even if its WAYYYYYYY late. Better than leaving it hanging. Somehow I had totally forgotten to do this back then.

IF they were produced, before the election... there would be no taint to them... anything that's produced this late and after so much complaint... would be subject to increased critisim and distrust.


If he was such a consummate politician... he would have known every action a politician takes has a consequence.

If they had been produced early on during campaigning... then there would not have been an issue.

Look what John Kerry did... blowviating about how smart he was and how dumb Bush was... only to find out after the election he was hiding his records because his grades were even lower than Bushes were.


See where I am going there... if they were worthy of being proud of... why are they being hidden. After all his whoreshippers spout how infinately wise and smart he is... so lets see the proof? I haven't seen a single smart thing since he took office happen.

Nope... I'm just not convinced there isn't some small validity to it. Nobody I trust has actually seen it. Even if its not open to the public. I want someone I believe that's not a Obama whoreshiper to say... I've seen it and it exists... I'd be happy with that.

What I don't trust is anyone in the democratic party, they lie about everything... if we had a few prominent republicans (they lie less frequently) who aren't Rino's say they saw it and it exists... I'm happy with that. Birthers aren't... because you CAN artificially age a document to fool most people in the time that's elapsed. I'm not requiring proof of the documents age. They would.

So why didn't the republicans and McCain jump all over this to disqualify him? Are Republicans that stupid as to not grab the opportunity? Or are you just much more intelligent and have access to better information than they do?

Hmmm... you sound like a Communist - prove that you are not.

Simple... I believe in people getting a job and paying for their own stuff. Kids, Medical Insurance... and everything else included.


Communists think the lazy should share in the spoils the motivated EARN.

Sorry comrade, your words won't do it. Let's see some paperwork. And not something signed by Fidel please.

I'm not a McCain supporter... this election was between McCain and Beelzebub. McCain was the better choice of the two... even if I wasn't a big fan of his. And while the Democrat party is wholely populated with idiots and crooks... the Republican party isn't without a few of their own too.

Oh no - the devil!! 111eleven!!

LOL!

Proof you aren't... papers?


See, I'm not running for public office... nor do I plan to be. But if I was... mine would be out there. Because the public has the right to know who their officials really are.

Politicians are by definition, brown-nosers... I can't do that. Its against my nature to even try. That's WHY you won't see me running for office. Because no way am I kissing anyone's behind just to get a chance to run.

Hello again, smoothy:

So, you don't believe we should pool together to hire inspectors to check out our meat and stuff. You don't think we should pool (socialize), our fire and police protection?? You want to pay for it yourself, huh? You mentioned kids above. Do you pay for your kids education, or do you let the government do it?

Do you see where I'm going here? Nahhh, you don't.

excon