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  • Jul 12, 2021, 04:05 PM
    tomder55
    Let the children get back to normal lives .
    Since covid 49,000 Americans under the age of 18 have died of all causes . Of those 331 of those deaths can be traced to complications from getting covid .Less than half that from pneumonia.
    Over 600,000 Americans have lost their lives to covid over the course of the pandemic; just 0.05 % of those were under the age of 18, a population that represents more than 20 % of the country’s population

    Many more kids have died from Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) because they were wearing masks and being quarantined for 18 months preventing them from building up immunity . The mortality rate for kids was higher for the flu than covid ever was .

    The same numbers represent mortality rated for kids that have the Delta variant .

    And yet the kids have been treated the same as if they are geezers with pre-existing conditions . We go so far as expecting high school atheletes in an outdoor track meet to wear masks as they compete .
    Summit HS runner collapses across finish line - YouTube

    But you say .We put that burden on the kids not to protect the kids ,but to protect others from the kids . And you are good with that .
    But now over 90% of the highest risk groups have been vaccinated .Anyone who wants to be vaccinated has been already ;or it is available to them in the US .

    Open the schools and let the children get back to the business of learning .
  • Jul 12, 2021, 04:14 PM
    paraclete
    By all means but there are also teachers who may be vulnerable, kids are very good at spreading disease
  • Jul 12, 2021, 05:14 PM
    talaniman
    In Arkansas, Covid-19 cases surge as state combats vaccine skepticism (msn.com)

    Saying it's over doesn't mean it's over.
  • Jul 12, 2021, 06:32 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    teachers who may be vulnerable,
    read again Anyone who wants to be vaccinated has been already ;or it is available to them in the US .
  • Jul 12, 2021, 06:34 PM
    paraclete
    Sure, but you are not 100% vaccinated yet?
  • Jul 12, 2021, 06:34 PM
    tomder55
    tal I did not say it is over . What I did say was that there is no reason to punish the kids. They are not the high risk groups ;and everyone else has the ability to get vaccinated free of charge . .
  • Jul 12, 2021, 06:38 PM
    paraclete
    Tom, maybe but it has escaped you in the melee, vaccinated people also contract covid because it keeps mutating. reminds me of the book/movie the Andromeda strain or the scenario in Stargate SG1
  • Jul 12, 2021, 06:45 PM
    tomder55
    tell me one case of someone getting covid after vaccination . We are told that the vac prevents the Delta variant too.
  • Jul 12, 2021, 07:11 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    tell me one case of someone getting covid after vaccination . We are told that the vac prevents the Delta variant too.

    April 15, 2021
    "About 5,800 people who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tells CNN.

    Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization."
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/healt...cdc/index.html
  • Jul 12, 2021, 07:51 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    tell me one case of someone getting covid after vaccination . We are told that the vac prevents the Delta variant too.

    We have had cases here of vaccinated people here testing positive it is one of the reasons our health experts have gone ape on us

    cc
  • Jul 13, 2021, 02:59 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    April 15, 2021
    "About 5,800 people who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tells CNN.

    Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization."
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/healt...cdc/index.html

    To be clear ;that is 74 deaths against 159 million + vaccinated in the US


    ok no problem shut down society forever . If covid is endemic like the flu with new variants periodically ;now what ?

    It is insane to punish the least vulnerable when it comes to morbidity. Do what you can to protect the vulnerable and let the rest of the people live their lives .
  • Jul 13, 2021, 06:25 AM
    tomder55
    fact less than 1% of Americans under 24 who got Covid was hospitalized and less than 0.01 % died . That is a better rate than the flu .
    COVID-19 Trends Among Persons Aged 0–24 Years — United States, March 1–December 12, 2020 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

    But kids education was left behind .
    Covid is having a devastating impact on children — and the vaccine won't fix everything (nbcnews.com)

    And kid suicides increased .
    Child Suicides Rising During Lockdown (webmd.com)

    Time to stop punishing the kids for the pandemic
  • Jul 13, 2021, 06:58 AM
    paraclete
    B/S the kids are not being punished, their parents are being protected
  • Jul 13, 2021, 12:44 PM
    tomder55
    no the essential workers who should've showed up every day like other essential workers ,aka the teachers ,are the ones being protected at the expense of the children.
  • Jul 13, 2021, 12:53 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    the teachers are the ones being protected at the expense of the children.

    How would you have orchestrated this?
  • Jul 13, 2021, 01:46 PM
    tomder55
    By summer last year all the relevant information was available .
  • Jul 13, 2021, 03:07 PM
    paraclete
    so you would cure covid with data
  • Jul 13, 2021, 04:41 PM
    tomder55
    this isn't about "curing " .Like the flu and the common cold ,covid is with us . We have to deal with it .
  • Jul 13, 2021, 04:46 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    this isn't about "curing " .Like the flu and the common cold ,covid is with us . We have to deal with it .

    And so how do we deal with it, especially teachers with classrooms of 25-30 students?
  • Jul 13, 2021, 05:13 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...post-right.png
    this isn't about "curing " .Like the flu and the common cold ,covid is with us . We have to deal with it .



    And so how do we deal with it, especially teachers with classrooms of 25-30 students?


    How do line workers in factories all over the country deal with it ? How do grocery store workers deal with it ? How do hospital staff deal with it ? They put on their clothes and go do their job . If anything teachers are supposed to be more essential and yet they act as if their jobs are voluntary participation ;and the kids suffer as a result . I have no sympathy for them .Let them find work where the risks are more acceptable to them .

    Private schools thrived BECAUSE they did not shut down this school year . If there is data saying those teachers have had higher percentage of cases I have not seen them .

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