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    Nov 4, 2017, 08:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post


    I wonder what was going on every 600 years or so?

    The bottom line is we as humans are more connected and dependent on each other than we really care to let on Clete, and the history of man through war, peace, migration, immigration, segregation and integration is a fascinating thing. It is such a primitive trait to separate us into whose better, and who ain't. When truth is we are the SAME. Are brown eyes better than blue?

    Make a bit more sense?
    Ok, let's put it this way without embracing the Islamic view that all the prophets were muslims. God works to get our attention because we drift off after a generation or so, however God's work of redemption is perfect in Jesus Christ, and some , like Mudhutmad, have sought to deny this truth. As to the colour of your eyes or skin, it is all the same to God. He sees what we cannot see.

    God was known from ancient times, and he has unfolded his revelation to us. It seems we are slow learners and want to rely on our own interpretations and so we worshiped the creation rather than God and he had to bring us back from that. Just because all religions have a God focus doesn't mean all paths lead to the same place, and so there is one truth
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    Nov 4, 2017, 09:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    and so there is one truth

    ...and after several million years, hundreds of religions and about 7 billion people currently living on the planet, YOU have that "one truth". Am I right?
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    Nov 5, 2017, 03:09 AM
    I wouldn't say 'after several million years' if you are referring to humans. A few hundred thousand maybe.
    3' Lucy first walked awkwardly on 2 feet 3 million years ago. She had the cranium of a chimp, about a third the size of ours. Yes, brain size DOES matter at that magnitude. Just not within the narrow range of modern homo sapiens.
    Maybe you meant all mammals, or all animals, or all life.... dinosaurs went extinct 90 million years ago...
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    Nov 5, 2017, 08:01 AM
    Ok, let's put it this way without embracing the Islamic view that all the prophets were muslims.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim

    "Muslim" is an Arabic word meaning "one who submits (to God)".The beliefs of Muslims include: that God (Arabic: الله‎‎ Allāh) is eternal, transcendent and absolutely one (tawhid or monotheism); that God is incomparable, self-sustaining and neither begets nor was begotten; that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that has been revealed before through many prophets including Abraham, Moses, Ishmael and Jesus; that these previous messages and revelations have been partially changed or corrupted over time (tahrif) and that the Qur'an is the final unaltered revelation from God (The Final Testament).[SIZE=2][
    I know hard to grasp that the similarities between Muslims and Christian (and the rest of the "religions") is hard to grasp. Much easier to focus on the differences, and proselytize them. That's okay as I mark it up to being no closer to the truth than ancient man was.
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    Nov 5, 2017, 09:20 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by joypulv View Post
    I wouldn't say 'after several million years' if you are referring to humans.

    It was a metaphor; specifically, hyperbole. You are trying too hard.
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    Nov 5, 2017, 11:51 AM
    How does hyperbole help your argument here and how does a bit of science come off as trying too hard?
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    Nov 5, 2017, 04:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim



    I know hard to grasp that the similarities between Muslims and Christian (and the rest of the "religions") is hard to grasp. Much easier to focus on the differences, and proselytize them. That's okay as I mark it up to being no closer to the truth than ancient man was.

    Don't play with words Tal. Muslims and Christians are like clalk and cheese
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    Nov 5, 2017, 06:50 PM
    Originally Posted by paraclete and so there is one truth
    That would be playing with words. You are entitled to your beliefs though. I was just using historical facts to make my point.
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