Has anyone out there had success with them?
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Has anyone out there had success with them?
As a police officer who has helped and worked with city probation, I havve meet a lot of people who "trusted" them for passing the test, and basically they had the pleasure of failing them all. If it is in your system, it will show up, it is plain chemistry. Honestly the only way to pass them is just not to do the drugs.
As a nursing student and a nurse intern who has assisted with these tests. I can tell you that they are a waste of your money, just like the pot you are smoking.
Thank you for the help, I trusted them once, I was naïve, but I have given up smoking(for now), it really helps me relax, so I am waiting for the day that I can do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
I choose to call it "medical marijuana"
The only time it was a waste of money, is when it poor quality... :)
Let me ask you this...
Do you smoke cigarettes? If not, why not? If so, how many a day?
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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Thank you for your help, I sure will miss the relaxation and peace of mind from smoking, but I sure do not want to go to the county lockup. I cannot afford to mess up another one, I tried the drinks, but I cannot tell lies well and that would weigh too heavily on my already stressful life. Michelle
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Originally Posted by J_9
Yes, sometimes 15 a day
One joint is the same as smoking 20 cigarettes. And just as addictive.
So, if you smoke 2 joints a day plus your 15 cigarettes, you have just smoked 75 cigarettes.
Also, do you know about the physical sexual side-effects of marijuana? If you did, you would stay as far away from it as possible.
So, if you want to stay out of jail and rehab, stay off the illegal substances.
Thanks again, I currently have no libido(sex drive), so you think smoking does that?Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
I thought it was stress, I am currently researching some things like scullcap or valerian root. Do you have any input on that? Michelle
Yes, smoking any drug actually lessens your libido, and can do so permanently if smoked enough.
The only info I have on the "herbs" you are asking is that they are not always reliable. If you plan on buying over the internet there is no telling what you are actually getting.
What do you plan on using these for? I may have a better idea.
Hello Michelle:
With deference to my friend J_9, cigarettes are poison. Pot is not. Nicotine is addictive. THC is not. Cigarettes kill over 350,000 people every year in this country alone. Pot never killed anybody - not one person. If the comparison is to show how dangerous pot is, the comparison is faulty. The most dangerous thing about pot is the trouble you can get into for smoking it.
excon
PS> Should you smoke when you're subject to a drug test?? Nahh.
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Originally Posted by J_9
I had hoped that the natural remedies would help my stress levels, which smoking always did. I currently am the main caregiver to my aunt that is 92, and a chronic complainer. I love her completely, but all the negativity just gets me stressed. I currently have double vision and my equilibrium has been affected by an anneurism, that I had in 1983. Since that time, I usually drank excessive amounts of alcohol. That led to a DUI, hence probation until 2/2008. I am happy to say that I no longer drink, last time was in 5/2005.
I did graduate from W.V.U. in 1997, but I was not quite so eager to pursue a career on Wall Street. To sum it up... smoking made me happy and able to deal with all my past stressors and current ones. Maybe, I was adding fuel to the fire. I hope, I haven't confused you. Michelle
My first reply was erased, but I can quickly sum it up. I would like to find a legal natural remedy for stress. I had an annerism in 1983, which left me with double vision and a lack of a normal equilibrium. I used to drink alcohol excessively, which led to bigger problems. I'm happy to say, no alcohol since 5/2005! The smoking has always relaxed me and I viewed things with "rose colored" glasses. Now, on probation for a DUI, I can't do that. Thanks for your time, MichelleQuote:
Originally Posted by J_9
sorry, I just saw my first reply, I guess it didn't get erased... and no other drugs are used.
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Originally Posted by excon
Thank you for your input, I have made up my mind now, not to try to get away with it.
I am too nervous to try substitution, I don't think I could get away with it, and I would be in the county lockup. My 92 year old roommate depends on me being here. Michelle
I know your point Excon, I used to live in Alaska, if that means anything to you. Ever heard of Matanuska Thunder F*** ? I lived in the Mat-Su Valley, and I knew MTF very well, it is nice and sticky and WHITE!! I held on to your beliefs for a very long time. Another one you forgot to mention is that pot is natural, it is a gift from the heavens above. It does not have to be manufactured like tobacco does.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The comparison is that the smoke inhaled with pot is equal to 20 cigarettes to your lungs. Although there are additives in cigs and not in weed, they both are toxic to your lungs.
Here are some facts on Marijuana:
"Other effects associated with the use of marijuane include parmful pulmonary effects (bronchitis), weakening of heart contractions, immunosuppression, and reduction of the serum testosterone level and sperm count." Source, Keltner Fifth Edition.
These are the effects that relate to 1 joint equals 20 cigarettes.
Hello again, J:
No, I'm not familiar with that strain. But, it's clear you're reformed pothead. I say that because of your knee jerk reaction to what I said. Thanks for that, because you bring up a very important aspect to the discussion. Plus, your views are widespread, and my job here, is to poke holes in them.
This being the legal board, although it wouldn't matter, I try to be precise with my use of language. I try to cite fact, not rumor. And, I did. What I cited were facts – Undisputable facts. They weren't my “beliefs”.
Here are my beliefs, and let me be clear about them, if I haven't been already: Marijuana is a DRUG – a serious drug. It is NOT good for you. It should not be used by children. It SHOULD not be used by adults.
I did not, nor do I now, dispute your medical information. I do, however, dispute your unstated conclusion, if your conclusion is, that since cigarettes kill, and 1 joint equals 20 cigarettes, then pot must be 20 times as deadly. THAT conclusion is not supported by the facts. Indeed, I don't even believe your statement that 1 joint equals 20 cigarettes is supported by the facts. I daresay, it's a “belief”.
Nonetheless, let me say again; smoking pot is NOT good for you. But, it doesn't kill you. If it did, I'd think somebody would know about it – especially a medical person such as yourself.
You also suggest that, because I cite facts, that I am promoting drug use. Nothing could be further from the truth. As a medical person, you should see right through that argument. Do you think sex education PROMOTES sex? I don't. Most right wingers would. I don't think you do. Do you?
Here's my final belief: In a free society, drug use should be left up to an adult. (Now, most right wingers would think that I just said it's OK to drive when stoned. I didn't.)
I will close again, with this old and oft used (by me) fact: The most dangerous thing about pot is the trouble you can get into for smoking it. If you can dispute my fact with facts of your own, go for it.
excon
Excon dear, you read me entirely wrong. I am a reformed pot head only because of circumstances. I had my fun with it. Also, you are not familiar with MTF, too bad it can't be sent through the mail, I'd have some sent to you. You would in turn move right to the Mat-Su Valley!!
My ratio is not a belief it was taught in lecture on substance abuse. Professors in nursing do not teach on beliefs, but rather facts.
It is objective data that 1 joint = 20 smokes on the respiratory system. This info was presented by Kelley Burg, RN, C, MSN, Director of Nursing.
It is a fact that it does indeed create complications with the respiratory system. This is the ONLY bodily system I am speaking of.
Now, it is the easiest of all drugs to detox from, it is the hardest to become totally addicted to. However, although it can be calssified as a hallucinogen, it is also classified as a Central Nervous System Depressant.
My dear Excon. I did not say you are promoting drug use. And again I am a reformed hippie because of circumstance (chidren and drug tests for school). If I listed the drugs I have used, abused, and/or been addicted to in my lifetime, your chin would drop.
I am not the ex smoker who chastises everyone who lites up. Quite the opposite actually. I was just pointing out the respiratory effects. You were the one who read between the lines.
If you really believe this, you are hopelessly naïve. A very large share of the funding for medical education comes from the Federal Government, and this Administration has done everything in its power to propagate outright falsehoods and egregious exaggerations about the supposed dangers of marijuana, and to block attempts to do credible research on the subject. Failure by a faculty member to follow the party line on the subject would quite likely jeopardize the school's Federal grants. The politicization of science (global climate change, stem cell research, drug safety, etc. etc.) by these hacks is right up there with their warmongering on my list of grievances against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
I'm not sure what you mean by "equals", but if you mean "has the same harmful effects", then we should see similar rates of lung cancer in people who smoke one joint a day as in people who smoke a pack of cigarettes a day. But as you surely know, the data shows no such thing. Here's a link to a summary of recent research that shows that not only does marijuana smoking not cause lung cancer, it may even protect against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
Like excon, I am not advocating the use of marijuana or denying that there are some harmful or undesirable effects of using it. But the attempt to discourage its use by exaggerating the danger is bound to be counterproductive in the long run because when people find out (as they surely will) that these supposed dangers are bogus, some will stop believing anything they're told about the dangers of any drug, and disregard all such warnings. Since many drugs are exceedingly dangerous, it is bad policy to exaggerate the dangers associated with those that are relatively benign. It's my opinion (not a fact based on research) that the greatest health risk associated with marijuana is what could happen to you in prison if you get sent there for possessing it.
Wow, OG, just paint me into a corner. I have said before the I am gullable and naïve. However, my texts, not only my professors, show the risks associated with marijuana use as well as my time spent in the hospital.
Now, I understand that none of you are advocating the use of illegal substances. But I have seen, and experienced, firsthand some of the risks associated with the "abuse" of the drug.
Occasional use is one thing, abuse is horse of a different color. However, it is best to present the facts to the person who does in fact use occasionally so that they are knowlegable.
And OG, I totally agree with your option and health risks and prison. That by far is the greatest health risk.
Well, now, since I provided medical data from texts and have been shot down all over the place since you all have indeed been in classrooms, in hosptials, witnessed people with COPD associated with cigarettes and marijuana. And you do seem to have much more experience in the clinical setting than I do. I will back out of this thread.
I was only presenting what I have learned and witnessed from textbooks and patients themselves. And since you both have been in clinical settings and have read numerous more texts than I apparently have. I am outa here!!
Well guys I don't know the studies, ( they did not ask me to smoke it to test me) Hey excon where do you sign up for these studies.
But I did grow up in the 60's and 70's and our idea of buying a bag was a paper grocrey bag full. If you ever watched Chet and Chong movies, where they rolled the joints the size of a cigar, that was it in our days.
But today I would be terrified to buy any on the street, ( not that I use any more, I have gotten respectable of course) but today they cut or taint it with other things to make it more adictive at times and I don't think "drug dealer" has become one of the more honest professions over the years.
So I can say that the dangers of it more than anything today is first just dealing with the people you ar buying it from, and the chances of ending up with those matchng braclets the police have for you.
I have read studies on the medical issues of Pot, both ways, so for that I will say I don't know, but just from the legal aspect that is enough to settle that you should not.
But again it is obvous from the fact that people drink, they use crack, they use many very dangious drugs, that people have little respect for thierself and bodies or they just would not be using things where there is no debate of its danger to you.
Thank you all for the information, you have been more helpful to me than any other source on the internet! Wishing you all health and happiness, Michelle
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Originally Posted by J_9
Hello again, can you help me with finding a natural remedy for stress? My illegal remedy is out of the question at this point in time. Who knows, I may give it up forever, especially with the adverse effects on libido. Michelle
Exercise. Bubble baths. Get yourself a pet. Spend some time with a friend who makes you laugh until you can't breathe. Get a pedicure. Get a massage. Read a good book. Get a good nights sleep. Eat healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michellerenee
I am sure there are more but I can't think of them right now. I will have to get back to you.
You don't have to ingest substances, natural or unnatural, to relieve stress.
Look, I know you are taking care of your elderly aunt. Find someone to babysit her for you, so you get yourself a much needed break. That is probably creating more stress in your life than anything else. I don't know what her medical coverage is, but you might want to call in a local chapter of Visiting Nurses Association. Or, call a home health care agency in your area and arrange for them to come in a couple of days a week. Make auntie pay for it. She may be your roommate, and I am sure you love her to pieces. Good. That's nice. But, when you are the sole caretaker of an ailing person, the stress that causes is unbearable at times. You need a break. Get proactive and find one. Stop looking for the "miracle pill" (or joint, whatever the case may be).
By the way, very interesting "discussion" guys. Almost made me want to do my own research on this whole business. But, the pot I am smoking is J's MTF, and frankly, it kind of makes me lazy and unmotivated.
Ready clean works
I don't know what works or doesn't to hide usage but I do find this post absolutely hilarious. I do agree with Ordinaryguy and think that J is just a bit naïve. Mind you this is coming from a woman whose entire family indulges in the illegal substance yet I myself have never touched it... I realize this may be unbelievable. :O) Even though I have watched various relatives make stupid decisions (driving while stoned, using around kids, etc) I completely agree with Ordinary as this country was founded on freedom of choice. I believe that history shows substances being used widely and becoming illegal directly corelating to the right wing agenda. There was even a special on Discovery channel about various drugs and why they became illegal to begin with... Oh well... it will never be legal in US as there are too many religious, rightwing politicians. (aren't those oxymorons?) As for the last bit, Michelle, there are actually drugs (legal) prescribed by doctor's that are not addictive and help greatly with anxiety. You might try your good old doc... and be amazed at what is possible. Thanks for the entertainment. Cathy
It won't work
LMFAO, you find me naïve? LMFAO yet again. Do you know whether I have ever consumed? No you don't. You come from a family that "indulges."Quote:
Originally Posted by 1badchoice
Let me give you a bit of insight deary. I have indugled in the pleasantries that most of your family have never even considered.
I have seen things that most of your family never has imagined. I speak from experience.
I spent today in a forensic unit of a psychiatric hospital. You know the unit where the people are Not Guilt by Reason of Insanity. You know schizophrenics and the like?
Unless you know for a FACT what you are talking about, and I do, I suggest you back down.
J I myself have a Bachelor's degree in Social Work and know more than you might imagine. Again, you have me laughing as you are so judgemental about the issue and assume others are less educated, stupid, inferior to yourself. I don't know your history, nor you mine... my opinion comes from my life choices, education, etc... as does yours. I rarely believe in absolutes and in general think the public has been majorly misled by the politics of the day. Look at history. Happens again and again in EVERY culture where the public relies on a larger body (gov.) to care for it's citizens. My major point, other than my opinion on the legality of substances, is that yes, your statistics are faulty. The books are often underwritten by grants, etc. As well, when seminars are given (yes, I've been to a few) they often use handy little flyers, props that proudly display "facts" that are truly incorrect (many times the instructor even knows this-though they deem it unimportant to the greater good). No one has the real answer. And there has NEVER been documentation of someone who smokes pot having the same ill effects as cigarette users. Thanks again for the entertainment. Cathy
First of all Cathy, I never assumed that anyone was ess educated, stupid, inferior to myself as I am only a student. So it appears that you are the only one ASSUMING at this point.
Guess what. I have a lot to learn and I know that. But it is apparent that you know everything.
Please tell that to the state menal health hospital I spent over 12 hours in today. Please tell that to the men who raped women while on these drugs. Please tell that to the man who decapitated his mother while on these drugs.Quote:
your statistics are faulty
I am not talking textbooks now. I am talking reality. I spent over 12 hours with over 30 men who were on these drugs when they committed their crimes.
I am not talking "handy little fliers." "props that proudly display "facts"
I am talking reality. People who are insane, unable to stand trial.
I will agree with you there. Not one of the 7 doctors today during treatment team or forensic team have an answer.Quote:
No one has the real answer
But I will tell you what the doctors (all of them) said that it was a precipitating factor.
People who commit crimes (such as your speaking) generally have a mental health issue that they were trying to sefl medicate with "drugs". You cannot generalize with all drugs as this thread is about marijuana specifically. I have never seen, nor heard of, anyone using marijuana and that being the reason they raped or killed someone else. Hense, they are in the psychiatric hospital. As for other drugs, I am stating that as a free society we should be allowed to make our own decisions about certain drugs that have been vilified and outlawed. Not that I personally would choose to use them. On principal, it shoulld not be up to a few to police the many. I understand that your learning. Part of learning is hearing each other out and being open to differing ideas. The earth is not flat. Who knew? I sincerely regret if I have offended you as I am taking this in a light-hearted manor. Just expressing my personal beliefs... not necessarily fact, which I believe I have stated many times. Peace. Cathy
Are you a heavy smoker?Quote:
Originally Posted by redp70
It does not work. It is a waste of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by redp70
ready clean works
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Originally Posted by J_9
I know, I couldn't believe he said that, so I had to comment!
I went in to probation yesterday and had a very nice officer(for once), no pee test, and he was telling me his beliefs that thc is the only drug he felt shouldn't be illegal.
I just think he is trying to set me up, so I am still sticking to my plan to stay away from it. M. have a good day!
Wow, this thread has really taken an interesting twist. Hey Cathy, are you a Libertarian? If not, you should do a search and check out their platform. You just might find yourself changing political parties if you are affiliated with any. ;)
Michelle honey, you are right not to trust what the nice officer said. If you simply are not able to do anything that I suggested, then go to your doctor and speak with him/her about the problem. They just might be able to help. Personally, I just would be worried about ingesting anything if I were in your shoes. You need to pass these tests. You need to decompress and find a way to do this without relying on something you can smoke, inject or swallow. To solve the problem of anything showing up in a test is to avoid taking anything.
J_9, what can I say? I will see you in my little room at the mental hospital. Please be nice to me.
Ruby,
I'm not sure if you would consider me a libertarian but I am open to differing views. I do swing way left. Less is sometimes more in terms of government. Glad to see someone else found this post as interesting as I did... lol Honestly just had differing opinion but thought it got carried away. Oh well. I like what you said to J. And see that you may be more to the left than to the right. As for passing pee tests... only real way is to NOT use. There have been lots of things that give false positives but nothing gives false negatives.
Cathy
Official Website of the Libertarian National Committee
I am not sure if I lean more to the left. I like to add to my knowledge base. I like to be clear of mind.
But, in the end, yes, I did find this post as interesting as you did.
I will find out about the probation officers true colors in a few months, when I ask him for an early release! That won't be for a few months anyway, I have some fines to pay first. So, I have a good feeling about this and I owe very much thanks to all of you that participated in my questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by RubyPitbull
(the "nice PO has a very "state coppish" hair cut!)... scares me!
Well, if my son is any example--no, they don't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michellerenee
And as a Naval Officer who sat on quite a few Courts Martial Boards for young men and women who tried them in an attempt to hide marijuana useage---no, they don't work.
Per my son-in-law who is a probation officer---no, they don't work.
Best alternative- lots and lots of exercise. Exercise releases endorphins, endorphins give you a natural high, decreases stress. Camomile tea, peppermint tea also help. Chocolate helps.
Illegal drug use is, well, illegal. I'm not going to argue from any hippie, republican, democratic, libertarian, poor-picked-on-me viewpoint. The fact is, marijuana is considered illegal unless you are lucky enough to live in a state that allows medical usage, but then you have to have an illness in which it is an authorized use for.
The authorities will be only too happen to throw your butt in jail for probation violation. And they only let you off probation early if you have paid all your fees, fines, completed your community service, done your impact board statements, and your probation officer recommends it to the judge.
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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Hello again, I have a question, are t.h.c. urine tests measured the in the same way that blood alcohol tests are. For instance, are they measured in levels, to show a definite increase or decrease? Because: I have basically quit, went from 4 to 5 times daily to just a few one hitters during the month. For me, this is almost like quitting, but if the P.O. can't tell how much the level has dropped, he might not think I am for real. Thank you, I'm very curious, Michelle
To be honest Michelle I don't exactly know how they work. I just know that if you smoke it, it is detected. They really don't care about the level, they just care if it is in your system or not.
All they are looking for is a positive or a negative. Plain and simple.
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